AICAR, GW1516 Wada can test, can the French ?

[tubularglue]

AICAR, GW1516 and ACTH - Wada can test, can the French ?

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/08/01/drugs_mimic_exercise_benefits_in_mice?mode=PF


synacthene - (ACTH)

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/science/index.html

curious,

in some cases 3 year effect !

 

[Cloxxki]

bump.

How has the testing for these products been?

Especially at large city marathon?

 

[Race Radio]

French report, with English subtitles, on AICAR

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2MRvw1vSivM

 

[thehog]

What’s the point?

OOC will only detect AICAR. They’re not going to use it during the Tour.

 

[Tyler'sTwin]

"a complete treatment is estimated at 300 000€ (390 000$ US)"

I guess JV was right. It is their budget!

What’s the point?

OOC will only detect AICAR. They’re not going to use it during the Tour.

Does the effects on fat and glucose metabolism last when you go off it? Otherwise, it would probably be advantageous to use it during a GT.

 

[blackcat]

"a complete treatment is estimated at 300 000€ (390 000$ US)"

I guess JV was right. It is their budget!



Does the effects on fat and glucose metabolism last when you go off it? Otherwise, it would probably be advantageous to use it during a GT.

but professional sports have long been treated by the drug companies as guinea pigs.

so they would be able to get the pharma, via back door, the quid pro quo being some feedback or results of blood/other metrics.

like Armstrong.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

GlaxoSmithKline, Amgen revisited?

Omegha Pharma.

Battle of the lab rats.

 

[Parrulo]

French report, with English subtitles, on AICAR

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2MRvw1vSivM

wow, just wow 70%. . . .

thansk RR, fantastic contribution as always

i love how Boyer clearly hints as wiggins as being impossible.

 

[Benotti69]

When they have the test for AICAR, will Skys samples have gone walkabout?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

When they have the test for AICAR, will Skys samples have gone walkabout?

That p!ss will be down the toilet.

i love how Boyer clearly hints as wiggins as being impossible.

That is not the first time.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Title is Misleading

You are missing the point on testing. Since the UCI totally controls testing the French have nothing to do with it.

My understanding of the arrangement for the 2013 TdF is AFLD provides the on-the-ground services of collecting and shipping samples. That's all. Maybe I'm wrong though?

The UCI still chooses who to test, what to test for, and actually sending samples to experts to give advice about opening a case. As of 2012, the samples are totally anonymous to the lab now so no more Contador leaks.

We know for sure they have positive samples where nothing is done.

Cleanest TdF ever!

This link worked for me: http://www.boston.com/news/health/blog/2008/07/pill_may_boost.html

According to the body building forums I search, there's more than just GW1516 out there now where they have figured out how to trick the body to do extra recovery work, lean-out and more.

Note the date of the AICAR article, 2008 (!) and this line "..Evans, who has been beseiged by coaches and athletes looking for a competitive edge ever since his earlier mice studies." Someone at BC/Sky was on the list of coaches contacting Evans?

 

[maxmartin]

http://www.boston.com/news/nation/articles/2008/08/01/drugs_mimic_exercise_benefits_in_mice?mode=PF


synacthene - (ACTH)

http://grg51.typepad.com/steroid_nation/science/index.html

curious,

in some cases 3 year effect !

Detect and robust test are two different things, I do not believe there is a robust and sensitive test for these substances right now.

 

[biokemguy]

French report, with English subtitles, on AICAR

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2MRvw1vSivM

According to this report, a test for AICAR is just now being finalized, but back in 2008 Ron Evans led us to believe he'd already done the ground work. That always seemed fishy to me. Sounded like a poor bluff.

Could the lab in Montreal mentioned below really not comunicate with the lab in Germany mentioned in the video?

In the meantime, Evans said, his team has developed detection protocols for both compounds and their breakdown products and turned them over to the World Anti-Doping Agency in Montreal.

He said it was unclear whether the tests would be in place for the Olympics.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Can someone post a link to the French Tv Alcar with SUBTITLES. I open the link and no subtitles appear.

 

[ElChingon]

Well who's got Canker sores? And wants to lose weight?

http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v19/n3/full/nm.3082.html

Maybe too high level for some but there's more than one way to skin a cat or lose weight so related.

 

[classicomano]

French report, with English subtitles, on AICAR

https://www.youtube.com/embed/2MRvw1vSivM

Ex-Cofidis director talking about an ex-Cofidis rider who suddenly lost 6 kg's wich according to him is impossible. Hmm

 

[Cloxxki]

Well who's got Canker sores? And wants to lose weight?

http://www.nature.com/nm/journal/v19/n3/full/nm.3082.html

Maybe too high level for some but there's more than one way to skin a cat or lose weight so related.

And here I am, just having emailed my supplements dealer friend for some grean tea extract, calcium pyruvate and such benile substances.

Even synefrine is now allowed by WADA, while some people respond to it like a bad ephedrine responce. Elevated heartrate, insomnia.
Would any of the AICAR customers have even fully explored the legal options?

 

[Taxus4a]

Today someone told me AICAR is being used, he dont know details, but some people at least have done it.
is there a good test now?
Anyone know, despite it improve the endurance (in adittion of power), if Aicar in a third week of a GT is better than EPO, or in that week is not very usefull?

 

[King Boonen]

The problem won't be detecting AICAR, it'll be determining endogenous levels for elite athletes, sounds like they are close to doing that.

 

[sideshadow]

Today someone told me AICAR is being used, he dont know details, but some people at least have done it.
is there a good test now?
Anyone know, despite it improve the endurance (in adittion of power), if Aicar in a third week of a GT is better than EPO, or in that week is not very usefull?

I don't think it's useful during racing itself. Most likely it's use is early season leading up to the big races. Useful to drop weight and make some metabolic adaptations which won't reverse due to the physical stimulus of racing.

IMO, current drug regimens: Micro-dose EPO, start slow and from a long way out, has the same effect as regular EPO dose without the diuretic effect, making ABP less useful (assuming ABP's are even used). Blood bag + micro-dose (to boost retic) during the Tours. Androgens, corticosteroids, GW/AICAR, SARM's during training.

 

[Bannockburn]

IMO, current drug regimens: Micro-dose EPO, start slow and from a long way out, has the same effect as regular EPO dose without the diuretic effect, making ABP less useful (assuming ABP's are even used). Blood bag + micro-dose (to boost retic) during the Tours. Androgens, corticosteroids, GW/AICAR, SARM's during training.

In application, that's the poor man's way of doing it.

 

[Carstenbf]

We know for sure they have positive samples where nothing is done.

The crux of the matter really.

Cheaters will allways be around. As long as we catch some occasionally, and tar and feather them, I could live with it. The notion of powerful shadow figures pulling the strings behind the scenes though I find completely unacceptable.

Might as well start watching WWE then.

 

[Cobblestones]

Nice interview about AICAR and other stuff with a researcher of the Cologne Lab. In German.

 

[spalco]

So there's no effective test for Aicar yet...

 

[armchairclimber]

When they do perfect a workable test (and safe endogenous levels have been set), it should still be possible to retrospectively test old samples. If SKY or anyone else have been using, they will, eventually, be found out.