Cadel Evans is a Clean Champion

[senatorrick]

Would've been closer
Still not near Uran

Cadel did look gassed well before the attacks

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

It's completely beyond me why he tried to sprint onto Uran's wheel the second time, when Aru went - and then collapsed
Surely a guy with his experience (in collapsing) should have been smarter and settled for his own tempo sooner?

 

[Walkman]

It's completely beyond me why he tried to sprint onto Uran's wheel the second time, when Aru went - and then collapsed
Surely a guy with his experience (in collapsing) should have been smarter and settled for his own tempo sooner?

Agreed. Can't believe why he did that!

Hopefully, he did learned his lesson as for this Giro. Better to pace yourself and minimize your losses.

 

[melkemugg]

If Cadel had a super strong Sanchez today would the outcome have been different ?? Does anyone think he could have passed Uran??

Sanchez was pretty strong today imo

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

It's completely beyond me why he tried to sprint onto Uran's wheel the second time, when Aru went - and then collapsed
Surely a guy with his experience (in collapsing) should have been smarter and settled for his own tempo sooner?

I think he acknowledged that after today's stage:

"Today wasn't my best day and I think Uran raced very well, while I probably could have raced a little bit better. But there's not much I can do about that now," Evans said.


But yes. He keeps making these rookie mistakes.

 

[Benotti69]

It's completely beyond me why he tried to sprint onto Uran's wheel the second time, when Aru went - and then collapsed
Surely a guy with his experience (in collapsing) should have been smarter and settled for his own tempo sooner?

Evans is only 37 got another 5 years before he peaks

 

[HSNHSN]

Admirable effort but comical. Andy Schleck? Jose Maria Jiminez? Long list of dopers on his clean list...

I think I had to laugh most about Rinero being present on the list.

(sorry for the OT)

 

[Dear Wiggo]

The astonishing majority of those names are long gone, so why should we not at least believe the panorama is different?

Two years ago in my class, there were this condescending small group of brats who cheated in almost every test. To keep up with them and in order not to be considered inferior or dumber, the majority of the students decided to start cheating as well. It was full banana republic. However, once they left and went to another school, it all went back to normal. No more cheating. It was all an honest thing again once for all.


Cool story eh?

Not really. Unless your school had tests where your score was potentially infinite, depending on the number of questions you answered.

Most tests in school are completable by anyone who studied and allow the majority of average students the potential to score 100%.

So no, not a cool story at all really.

People cheat on tests all the time, but if you studied and were conscientious, you could pass or better.

Nothing like cycling whatsoever.

 

[The Hitch]

For the allegory to be somewhat valid, the teachers need to be supporting and aiding the students who cheat, to begin with.

 

[42x16ss]

The astonishing majority of those names are long gone, so why should we not at least believe the panorama is different?

More of those guys are still around than you think.

Still racing:

2 Ivan Basso (ITA) Team CSC +4' 40"
4 Francisco Mancebo (ESP) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne +9' 59"
8 Cadel Evans (AUS) Davitamon-Lotto +11' 55"
12 Yaroslav Popovych (UKR) Discovery Channel +19' 02"
15 Haimar Zubeldia (ESP) Euskaltel +23' 43"
18 Óscar Sevilla (ESP) T-Mobile +27' 45"
19 Andrey Kashechkin (KAZ) Crédit Agricole +28' 04"
22 Xabier Zandio (ESP) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne +36' 20"
31 Alberto Contador (ESP) Liberty Seguros +1h 03' 25"
33 Chris Horner (USA) Saunier Duval +1h 07' 57"
37 Maxim Iglinsky (KAZ) Domina Vacanze +1h 18' 44"
41 Michael Rogers (AUS) Quick Step +1h 24' 32"
46 Pierrick Fédrigo (FRA) Bouygues Telecom +1h 41' 14"
47 Franco Pellizotti (ITA) Liquigas +1h 41' 38"
49 José Enrique Gutierrez (ESP) Phonak +1h 42' 35"

There may be a few I've missed too.

Then there's the guys still involved at pro level as DS's, reps etc:

5 Alexandre Vinokourov (KAZ) T-Mobile +11' 01"
DSQ George Hincapie (USA) Discovery Channel +23' 40"
17 Bobby Julich (USA) Team CSC +24' 08"
30 José Bento Azevedo (POR) Discovery Channel +59' 48"
35 José-Luis Rubiera (ESP) Discovery Channel +1h 11' 48"
39 Axel Merckx (BEL) Davitamon-Lotto +1h 20' 15"
44 Cédric Vasseur (FRA) Cofidis +1h 33' 17"
50 Vladimir Karpets (RUS) Illes Balears-Caisse d'Epargne +1h 43' 45"

That's 23 out of 50 and there are quite a few riders in that top 50 who only retired in the last 12 months too

Tell us again how the sport has changed overnight...

 

[Archibald]

Have a read through the discussion and see if you really meant to write this.

In the meantime this " average tt field" argument is getting tiring.

The average race has an average field. By definition. If Evans had beaten Martin or cancellara we would mention that. Them not being there does not suddenly make the performance poor.
We already know who was in the race thank you very much. Our comments have already accounted for the competition, don't need to.be reminded - oh so and so wasn't there.

Evans tt ability has always been tragically overestimated by the aggressive packs of Evans fans who have always in my eyes made some of the sky defenders look like saints. In all his years as a gt rider he has 1 tt win retroactively given to him.
Now at an age when most gt riders have lost their power, he comes 3rd in a tt which is above his average gt tt finish, and they begin to act like it's a performance so weak it rules out doping.

sure, I meant that.
nice deflection, too. Why not answer the question?

Evans had his ar$e handed to him by a guy who isn't exactly a noted tt rider - certainly not of the level Evans is trumped up to be.
This has nothing to do with who wasn't there, only who was.
Who else was there that you believe should have beaten Evans?

I don't care about evans fans, so go whinge about that to someone else.
I called you to back up your statement...

Here's another question for you. If Evans was doped for it, should he not have accounted for Uran?
So, do you think that the difference between;
- a doped Uran and a doped Evans is 1.34?
- a clean Uran and a doped Evans is 1.34?
- a doped Uran and a clean Evans is 1.34?
- a clean Uran and a clean Evans is 1.34?

 

[observer]

I think the racing this Giro, from all the competitors so far, is looking clean-ish.
there is no real crazy controlling of the race, and those who go deep, seem to suffer for it in the coming day(s).

People are attacking, but aren't sustaining these without paying. Pozzovivo paid for it, Uran paid for the hard TT, and Evans is paying for his age and just keeping up.

There may be some doping going on, but for me the racing is enjoyable because its unpredictable and exciting, and could pass as clean (in my opinion), and that includes Evans, who I think will continue to fade on the big mountains, maybe stay in touch and put in a nice MTT.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Having 4 x AG2R riders at the point end of the race on the final climb with every other team having 2 or less riders has seemed a little suspicious to me.

Otherwise, the racing has been entertaining.

 

[blackcat]

I think the racing this Giro, from all the competitors so far, is looking clean-ish.
there is no real crazy controlling of the race, and those who go deep, seem to suffer for it in the coming day(s).

People are attacking, but aren't sustaining these without paying. Pozzovivo paid for it, Uran paid for the hard TT, and Evans is paying for his age and just keeping up.

There may be some doping going on, but for me the racing is enjoyable because its unpredictable and exciting, and could pass as clean (in my opinion), and that includes Evans, who I think will continue to fade on the big mountains, maybe stay in touch and put in a nice MTT.

ftfu #accuracy

 

[Archibald]

...and that includes Evans, who I think will continue to fade on the big mountains, maybe stay in touch and put in a nice MTT.

reckon he'll fade in the MTT too - just like last year's
If he hasn't already, Uran will put him to the sword on this

 

[blackcat]

Here's another question for you. If Evans was doped for it, should he not have accounted for Uran?
So, do you think that the difference between;
- a doped Uran and a doped Evans is 1.34?
- a clean Uran and a doped Evans is 1.34?
- a doped Uran and a clean Evans is 1.34?
- a clean Uran and a clean Evans is 1.34?

false dichotomy to think a declining Evans and a decling performance is necessarly a clean performance.

case in point, at what stage when a race and competition on the line, will a decling performance by Armstrong be a clean performance? 55? 65?

 

[blackcat]

point is, we cannot know if the decline is down to either variable, or a combination...

but i just look at the company he keeps, one cannot win a GT on bread and water

nor can you win a classic

or a selective stage or calibre tt

 

[Benotti69]

false dichotomy to think a declining Evans and a decling performance is necessarly a clean performance.

case in point, at what stage when a race and competition on the line, will a decling performance by Armstrong be a clean performance? 55? 65?

Heck i dont believe Moser rides his gran fondos clean and he is what 62....

These guys get so into taking stuff they never clean up their act.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Heck i dont believe Moser rides his gran fondos clean and he is what 62....

These guys get so into taking stuff they never clean up their act.

WIll you still be banging about the peloton and cleaER or cleans in your 90's ?

 

[Benotti69]

WIll you still be banging about the peloton and cleaER or cleans in your 90's ?

Nah......

Tygart did the sport a real disservice when he took only Armstrong and Bruyneel down and let the others off.......

Everyone looked at those 2 and said, 'that's fine, they were arrogant SOBs, look at all those garmin, Leipheimer, Hincapie who got a slap on the wrist and got to keep their ill gotten gains'........

SSDD and the wheels go round......

 

[proffate]

Everyone looked at those 2 and said, 'that's fine, they were arrogant SOBs, look at all those garmin, Leipheimer, Hincapie who got a slap on the wrist and got to keep their ill gotten gains'........

Levi at least lost a job and ended his career a year earlier.

 

[Benotti69]

Levi at least lost a job and ended his career a year earlier.

Maybe you missed his gran fondo............

Ended his career at 38!!!! FFS do you know how many end their career at 38....

 

[Archibald]

Maybe you missed his gran fondo............

Ended his career at 38!!!! FFS do you know how many end their career at 38....

Evans


(10.)

 

[Ferminal]

false dichotomy to think a declining Evans and a decling performance is necessarly a clean performance.

case in point, at what stage when a race and competition on the line, will a decling performance by Armstrong be a clean performance? 55? 65?

Almost right. I think the most plausible scenario is that a declining Evans and a declining performance is a cleaner performance.

It seems there is still too much grasping for absolutes.

No way does he show up to his target for the season in top form for the first week without a lot of preparation. But his decline over the three weeks suggests he is not doing what his rivals are or what he did in his own glory days.

#bagfreesince2012

erm, I mean #virus...

*maybe a rest day near home was enough for a cheeky one

 

[Ferminal]

I still see a lot about Cadel being an example of a clean champion. Utter BS. Just look at the Tour in 05:

The top 50. It would be lucky if there is 10 clean riders there, even 5 might be pushing it. Yet Evans is 9th. And everyone ahead of him is a certified cheat.

He couldn't have finished in that position while clean. Full stop

Can't talk about 2005 without this classic...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t1_c8WHOnsY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rWFjSdPX_-Y

#dopersdontbonk