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The fact that they can't win doesn't mean they're not doping, it just means they're not very good at it, but good enough not to get busted (recently). If it wasn't for Tom Danielson getting popped again we could have been fooled into believing that since they don't win they must be clean, but we know that's not the case.TourOfSardinia said:Inverted logic - or what
A team that can't win and we are still
hammering them in a Clinic thread?
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ohhhh puhleeeeaaaaseeee, show me where it changed to better.
The sport has always been ahead of the testers. It is enabled from UCI FFS!
The testing is a joke, if they even do it. The President is a joke! They are now using motors as well as PEDs!
The sport really is a circus and only monkeys would believe that clean riders last more than a season or win!
Valv.Piti said:
ohhhh puhleeeeaaaaseeee, show me where it changed to better.
The sport has always been ahead of the testers. It is enabled from UCI FFS!
The testing is a joke, if they even do it. The President is a joke! They are now using motors as well as PEDs!
The sport really is a circus and only monkeys would believe that clean riders last more than a season or win!
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Depends on he definition of "worse", the passport has allowed for doping to be controlled by he UCI, they have a full database of parameters. If anyone goes rouge they get sent a passport letter to reign in their doping program thus no one will ever test positive again, which is good for business.
Not sure that's any better than before. Doping still continues enmasse but these days no rider will ever fall foul of the regulations as the UCI has built in a "stupid-o-meter" with those who go too far.
New clean era, just means the UCI-Mafia will send you a letter, you'll have to cut down your microdosing for a while.
the asian said:
Depends on he definition of "worse", the passport has allowed for doping to be controlled by he UCI, they have a full database of parameters. If anyone goes rouge they get sent a passport letter to reign in their doping program thus no one will ever test positive again, which is good for business.
Not sure that's any better than before. Doping still continues enmasse but these days no rider will ever fall foul of the regulations as the UCI has built in a "stupid-o-meter" with those who go too far.
New clean era, just means the UCI-Mafia will send you a letter, you'll have to cut down your microdosing for a while.
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1. Those warning letters predate the biopassport.
2. They still have a net effect of reducing the amount of dope you can get away with, and hence the speeds, which increases the likelihood of others making a career clean.
3. Regardless, in my opinion that's pretty obviously a result of the pressure NOT having been kept up after the introduction of the passport, due to the decrease in tests and the UCI's focus on avoiding scandals (which isn't new at all, of course, but I think we'll all agree the UCI is now more in control of the (anti)doping narrative than it was ~5 years ago).
All of this is part of why I say things have been getting worse for a long while now.
2. They still have a net effect of reducing the amount of dope you can get away with, and hence the speeds, which increases the likelihood of others making a career clean.
3. Regardless, in my opinion that's pretty obviously a result of the pressure NOT having been kept up after the introduction of the passport, due to the decrease in tests and the UCI's focus on avoiding scandals (which isn't new at all, of course, but I think we'll all agree the UCI is now more in control of the (anti)doping narrative than it was ~5 years ago).
All of this is part of why I say things have been getting worse for a long while now.
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Hhuh? Hrotha claimed that things have moved between better and worse, as they tend to, and motivated and backed the claim up. The claim is very sensible and does not imply a naive optimist view of constant improvement (or decline for that matter). Quite the opposite really.
In my view this standpoint also in no way suggests that the sport is in a good place by any absolute standards. It simply acknowledges that doping and antidoping tend to change and interact.
In my view this standpoint also in no way suggests that the sport is in a good place by any absolute standards. It simply acknowledges that doping and antidoping tend to change and interact.
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Some of which is true, the warning letters were not official prior and were "selective". Not to say they are not selective now but the database is a lot more comprehensive than it was pre-2008.
As a good yardstick, watch the 2008 Paris-Nice, when the biopassport first came in and the teams/riders had yet to work it out. The top 10 was built on talent less on the dope programs That lasted about 3 months.
I don't disagree that things are a lot worse now and a lot less chance of a doping program bring uncovered, basically comes down to Russian hackers. We've seen from Reddie, Coe, Cookson that there is no appetite from the sports administrators to really take charge of the situation, if anything they've helped to facilitate.
hrotha said:
Some of which is true, the warning letters were not official prior and were "selective". Not to say they are not selective now but the database is a lot more comprehensive than it was pre-2008.
As a good yardstick, watch the 2008 Paris-Nice, when the biopassport first came in and the teams/riders had yet to work it out. The top 10 was built on talent less on the dope programs That lasted about 3 months.
I don't disagree that things are a lot worse now and a lot less chance of a doping program bring uncovered, basically comes down to Russian hackers. We've seen from Reddie, Coe, Cookson that there is no appetite from the sports administrators to really take charge of the situation, if anything they've helped to facilitate.
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2008 Paris-Nice?
I am probably bad at recognizing sarcasm but 2 riders from that top 10 ended up with 10 on the UCI list.
I think Barredo even lost his results for the race when he finally was caught.
I am probably bad at recognizing sarcasm but 2 riders from that top 10 ended up with 10 on the UCI list.
I think Barredo even lost his results for the race when he finally was caught.
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I don't see why that matters. Of course you're always going to have the most egregious dopers on top, but in 2008 many of them stood out like a sore thumb because the rest went slower. I think, completely unironically, that the 2008 Tour was one of the least dirty ones, despite the CERA gang.roundabout said:
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Yeah, too bad he's older than most breakout riders. He's already 30, not many great years ahead of him but I like him nonetheless, if anyone on Cannondale is going to shine this season it will be him in some of the stage races coming up this season.thehog said:
Sky are killing cycling. Why would anybody want to come in and sponsor one of the small or mid-level WT teams just to get crushed by the Sky train at the biggest races? The sport is too lopsided which hurts the competition and suspense level.
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