Teams & Riders Chris Froome Discussion Thread.

[deValtos]

From the man himself: It's still soon to be 100% sure, but racing the Vuelta is on the table.

http://www.elmundo.es/deportes/2015/07/27/55b64f9546163f931b8b458a.html

I hope he doesn't.It's the last chance for the veterans Valverde/J.Rod to get a GT win.Without Froome/Nibali they might do it.

Valverde has a GT win already. J.Rod is past it I'm afraid, in terms of 1st position.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Can't remember where, but read somewhere that Froome was pretty keen on going to the Vuelta, but Brailsford isn't

 

[Taxus4a]

From the man himself: It's still soon to be 100% sure, but racing the Vuelta is on the table.

http://www.elmundo.es/deportes/2015/07/27/55b64f9546163f931b8b458a.html

I hope he doesn't.It's the last chance for the veterans Valverde/J.Rod to get a GT win.Without Froome/Nibali they might do it.

With that TT you can rule J.Rod with Froome and or Nibali there he's already at least two minutes down, maybe more.

He's not always terrible.Last year for example on 36,7km ITT:Froome 10th at 1:32,J.Rod 17th at 1:49.[/quote]

That was with a cat 3 climb in the middle this is on 39k of flat.:

[/quote]

Not really flat, I would like to see you in that climb of the monastery... I really struggle on it...and before the road has some slopes, after that they climb the castle, but I dont know wich road...

it is a good ITT for Froome, and not so good for climbers, but depends on the wind, becouse is not so bad as well. Landa knows very well the route becouse he studied in Burgos, but is not good for him.

But climbers has no excuse, they have and stage in Andorra and another in Asturias to put a lot of time.

After that ITT there are 3 stages for strategy, but not easy.

 

[DBotero]

From the man himself: It's still soon to be 100% sure, but racing the Vuelta is on the table.

http://www.elmundo.es/deportes/2015/07/27/55b64f9546163f931b8b458a.html

I hope he doesn't.It's the last chance for the veterans Valverde/J.Rod to get a GT win.Without Froome/Nibali they might do it.

With that TT you can rule J.Rod with Froome and or Nibali there he's already at least two minutes down, maybe more.

He's not always terrible.Last year for example on 36,7km ITT:Froome 10th at 1:32,J.Rod 17th at 1:49.

That was with a cat 3 climb in the middle this is on 39k of flat.:

I know that this year they forgot the 3rd category hill I still expect him to perform better on home soil.

 

[Taxus4a]

I read now Purito will be in la Vuelta...It was expected that no, Dani Moreno as leader...

He has some options, but that ITT is a real problem.. 2 minutes with a good Froome if he is Ok... yes,. no more, It must be like that, he has mountains to win.

 

[DBotero]

From the man himself: It's still soon to be 100% sure, but racing the Vuelta is on the table.

http://www.elmundo.es/deportes/2015/07/27/55b64f9546163f931b8b458a.html

I hope he doesn't.It's the last chance for the veterans Valverde/J.Rod to get a GT win.Without Froome/Nibali they might do it.

Valverde has a GT win already. J.Rod is past it I'm afraid, in terms of 1st position.

I know that.2nd time when people feel the need to remind me.Next time when i say something about Valverde i will start my phrase with:I know that Valverde won La Vuelta

 

[SeriousSam]

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Of course, if everything had gone perfectly for Contador, as they did with Armstrong (prior to Tygart), you could make a case that Contador would have won 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, with a strong likelihood of 2012, 2013, and 2014 (again, if things had gone perfectly - no bans and resulting rustiness/lack of "spark", no crashes). If he had had the consistent team and backing of the team + UCI like Lance, and better luck with crashes, he could realistically be at 8 or 9 Tours.

 

[Billie]

Re: Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Of course, if everything had gone perfectly for Contador, as they did with Armstrong (prior to Tygart), you could make a case that Contador would have won 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, with a strong likelihood of 2012, 2013, and 2014 (again, if things had gone perfectly - no bans and resulting rustiness/lack of "spark", no crashes). If he had had the consistent team and backing of the team + UCI like Lance, and better luck with crashes, he could realistically be at 8 or 9 Tours.

You can maybe even add 2006 aswell.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Of course, if everything had gone perfectly for Contador, as they did with Armstrong (prior to Tygart), you could make a case that Contador would have won 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, with a strong likelihood of 2012, 2013, and 2014 (again, if things had gone perfectly - no bans and resulting rustiness/lack of "spark", no crashes). If he had had the consistent team and backing of the team + UCI like Lance, and better luck with crashes, he could realistically be at 8 or 9 Tours.

You forgot the Tours between 1983 and 2006 - Contador was alive for all of those

 

[Gigs_98]

Re: Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Of course, if everything had gone perfectly for Contador, as they did with Armstrong (prior to Tygart), you could make a case that Contador would have won 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, with a strong likelihood of 2012, 2013, and 2014 (again, if things had gone perfectly - no bans and resulting rustiness/lack of "spark", no crashes). If he had had the consistent team and backing of the team + UCI like Lance, and better luck with crashes, he could realistically be at 8 or 9 Tours.

In which scenario would he have won 2011 and 2013? Everyone in front of him crashing out? And 2012? Your really think it would have been possible to beat sky back then? I mean if he had been a better climber than wiggins the simply would have let froome go for the win...oh wait its sky, forget it, Alberto would have won that one with 100%

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Re: Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Of course, if everything had gone perfectly for Contador, as they did with Armstrong (prior to Tygart), you could make a case that Contador would have won 2007, 2008, 2009, 2010, and 2011, with a strong likelihood of 2012, 2013, and 2014 (again, if things had gone perfectly - no bans and resulting rustiness/lack of "spark", no crashes). If he had had the consistent team and backing of the team + UCI like Lance, and better luck with crashes, he could realistically be at 8 or 9 Tours.

In which scenario would he have won 2011 and 2013? Everyone in front of him crashing out? And 2012? Your really think it would have been possible to beat sky back then? I mean if he had been a better climber than wiggins the simply would have let froome go for the win...oh wait its sky, forget it, Alberto would have won that one with 100%

I didn't say he would have won 100%. Obviously he didn't win any of those Tours. My point was that if you're going to say, well Froome could have 4 Tours right now if things had gone for him as they did for Lance and Indurain, then you could say the same for Contador.

If he hadn't been dealing with the ban and hadn't crashed a couple times in 2011, he might have won. If he hadn't been banned, he might have had different form in 2012 - present. I'm not saying we should all act like Contador is an 8 time TDF champion.

 

[ILovecycling]

Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Its pointless to discuss what if , but I like the initial question..

I think its possible that Froome will win 5 Tours but only when everything goes according to his plan and also if he holds motivation which is even tougher imf course it will depend on Tour routes but also how Team Sky will develop in years to come.
He is a true hard woking sportsman so I think this is possible, but competion is tough you know...
For example I would bet a lot of money that Froome won't win next year Tour.

 

[PremierAndrew]

Re: Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Its pointless to discuss what if , but I like the initial question..

I think its possible that Froome will win 5 Tours but only when everything goes according to his plan and also if he holds motivation which is even tougher imf course it will depend on Tour routes but also how Team Sky will develop in years to come.
He is a true hard woking sportsman so I think this is possible, but competion is tough you know...
For example I would bet a lot of money that Froome won't win next year Tour.

Would you still be happy with that bet if 100+km of TTs are announced?

 

[ILovecycling]

Re: Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Its pointless to discuss what if , but I like the initial question..

I think its possible that Froome will win 5 Tours but only when everything goes according to his plan and also if he holds motivation which is even tougher imf course it will depend on Tour routes but also how Team Sky will develop in years to come.
He is a true hard woking sportsman so I think this is possible, but competion is tough you know...
For example I would bet a lot of money that Froome won't win next year Tour.

Would you still be happy with that bet if 100+km of TTs are announced?

Secret info you know ... nahhh kiddin
I wouldnt be so happy anymore but still I would go for that.If you check TdF results, riders always tempt to be in the worse shape next year after their superb year

 

[Rollthedice]

Froome had a hard time winning this year with only one contender in top shape. He was much vulnerable than in 2013 but there was nobody there to put him in trouble. He had an exceptional team, I can't even think how many minutes he would have been down to Quintana with the likes of Rogers, Scarponi, Kreuziger or Birdsong. And it was hot like in Kenya, no rain no pain for the Froomster. Don't see how anybody can be convinced that he will win X number of Tours in the future. After Contador 2009 I said he will win at least the next five editions and look what happened.

 

[DBotero]

Re: Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Its pointless to discuss what if , but I like the initial question..

I think its possible that Froome will win 5 Tours but only when everything goes according to his plan and also if he holds motivation which is even tougher imf course it will depend on Tour routes but also how Team Sky will develop in years to come.
He is a true hard woking sportsman so I think this is possible, but competion is tough you know...
For example I would bet a lot of money that Froome won't win next year Tour.

Would you still be happy with that bet if 100+km of TTs are announced?

Secret info you know ... nahhh kiddin
I wouldnt be so happy anymore but still I would go for that.If you check TdF results, riders always tempt to be in the worse shape next year after their superb year

I don't know except that guy who won 7 in a row,there was also a Spanish guy who managed to get 2 consecutive wins,despite his crap form.Sorry can't remember his name.

 

[SeriousSam]

Even Armstrong's level wasn't constant. There was up and down as well. ilc is on to something here. There is quite a deep reason behind this too, it's called regression to the mean. For instance, if one had known that Nibali's 2014 wasn't an upwards trend likely to continue but the very maximum of performance he is capable of under ideal condition, it was never going to be likely that he would have the same level the year after. The extraordinary (best form ever) is more likely to be followed by the ordinary (average form for that rider) than by the extraordinary (best form ever once again).

Of course, it also wasn't likely that Nibal would get dropped by 40 riders up a short hill.


Going back to Froome's prospects, I do think he'll suffer from worse form sooner or later. But his huge advantage is that in addition to being the best climber, his edge in time trialling is even greater, and there is nothing like time trials to guarantee time gaps. It's more reliable than climbing, and though Froome hasn't time trialled well in a long time, it just wasn't necessary. If he can regain his 2013 level, and there is no reason why he can't, he will be the clear favourite for any Tour, regardless of route , for years to come.

 

[Billie]

One thing also to consider is that Froome is so thin it's really tough to stay healthy and motivated to keep dieting. Healthy both fysically and mentally.

 

[ray j willings]

Re:

Even Armstrong's level wasn't constant. There was up and down as well. ilc is on to something here. There is quite a deep reason behind this too, it's called regression to the mean. For instance, if one had known that Nibali's 2014 wasn't an upwards trend likely to continue but the very maximum of performance he is capable of under ideal condition, it was never going to be likely that he would have the same level the year after. The extraordinary (best form ever) is more likely to be followed by the ordinary (average form for that rider) than by the extraordinary (best form ever once again).

Of course, it also wasn't likely that Nibal would get dropped by 40 riders up a short hill.


Going back to Froome's prospects, I do think he'll suffer from worse form sooner or later. But his huge advantage is that in addition to being the best climber, his edge in time trialling is even greater, and there is nothing like time trials to guarantee time gaps. It's more reliable than climbing, and though Froome hasn't time trialled well in a long time, it just wasn't necessary. If he can regain his 2013 level, and there is no reason why he can't, he will be the clear favourite for any Tour, regardless of route , for years to come.

Froome the best climber, Did you watch the tour ,,,he got his as£ kicked in the mountains.
He got his as£ kicked at the Vuelta in the mountains ,,,,how his he the best climber? There is no evidence for that whatsoever. No wind split, no tour win.
He has regained his 2013 level ...he got dropped twice in 2013 have you forgot?

How will he win another tour? if its a mountain loaded tour Quintana ,Bertie [fit] will beat him.
He will need a long tt to get major time on Quintana but he wont get time, if any on Bertie who has beat him in the last 2 tt's they have raced.

 

[Jspear]

Re: Re:

Even Armstrong's level wasn't constant. There was up and down as well. ilc is on to something here. There is quite a deep reason behind this too, it's called regression to the mean. For instance, if one had known that Nibali's 2014 wasn't an upwards trend likely to continue but the very maximum of performance he is capable of under ideal condition, it was never going to be likely that he would have the same level the year after. The extraordinary (best form ever) is more likely to be followed by the ordinary (average form for that rider) than by the extraordinary (best form ever once again).

Of course, it also wasn't likely that Nibal would get dropped by 40 riders up a short hill.


Going back to Froome's prospects, I do think he'll suffer from worse form sooner or later. But his huge advantage is that in addition to being the best climber, his edge in time trialling is even greater, and there is nothing like time trials to guarantee time gaps. It's more reliable than climbing, and though Froome hasn't time trialled well in a long time, it just wasn't necessary. If he can regain his 2013 level, and there is no reason why he can't, he will be the clear favourite for any Tour, regardless of route , for years to come.

Froome the best climber, Did you watch the tour ,,,he got his as£ kicked in the mountains.
He got his as£ kicked at the Vuelta in the mountains ,,,,how his he the best climber? There is no evidence for that whatsoever. No wind split, no tour win.
He has regained his 2013 level ...he got dropped twice in 2013 have you forgot?

How will he win another tour? if its a mountain loaded tour Quintana ,Bertie [fit] will beat him.
He will need a long tt to get major time on Quintana but he wont get time, if any on Bertie who has beat him in the last 2 tt's they have raced.

IMO he is the strongest on single mountain stages. He has an insane acceleration and then he just keeps a high temp for the next 20-30 minutes. But as we saw this year he isn't thermonuclear on multi mountain stages or after many stages of climbing. This year Quintana gained more time on Froome in the mountains than Froome did on him.

 

[kenk09]

Re: Re:

Even Armstrong's level wasn't constant. There was up and down as well. ilc is on to something here. There is quite a deep reason behind this too, it's called regression to the mean. For instance, if one had known that Nibali's 2014 wasn't an upwards trend likely to continue but the very maximum of performance he is capable of under ideal condition, it was never going to be likely that he would have the same level the year after. The extraordinary (best form ever) is more likely to be followed by the ordinary (average form for that rider) than by the extraordinary (best form ever once again).

Of course, it also wasn't likely that Nibal would get dropped by 40 riders up a short hill.


Going back to Froome's prospects, I do think he'll suffer from worse form sooner or later. But his huge advantage is that in addition to being the best climber, his edge in time trialling is even greater, and there is nothing like time trials to guarantee time gaps. It's more reliable than climbing, and though Froome hasn't time trialled well in a long time, it just wasn't necessary. If he can regain his 2013 level, and there is no reason why he can't, he will be the clear favourite for any Tour, regardless of route , for years to come.

Froome the best climber, Did you watch the tour ,,,he got his as£ kicked in the mountains.
He got his as£ kicked at the Vuelta in the mountains ,,,,how his he the best climber? There is no evidence for that whatsoever. No wind split, no tour win.
He has regained his 2013 level ...he got dropped twice in 2013 have you forgot?

How will he win another tour? if its a mountain loaded tour Quintana ,Bertie [fit] will beat him.
He will need a long tt to get major time on Quintana but he wont get time, if any on Bertie who has beat him in the last 2 tt's they have raced.

Take it easy, Ray. You've been in a coma for a month.

 

[ILovecycling]

Re: Re:

How many Tours will Froome win? Is there any chance he can surpass Indurain's 5? If things had gone perfectly, as they did for Indurain and Armstrong, he'd be at 4 already, but in reality it's only 2. That's already quite the achivement, equalled only by Contador amongst active riders.

He's 30 years old and a late bloomer so he may well continue to hold his level for 5-6 more years. Quintana might yet improve, but most Tours will have longer time trials in them so it doesn't look likely he'll be surpassed.

Of course, you can never rule out a new phenom emerging.

Its pointless to discuss what if , but I like the initial question..

I think its possible that Froome will win 5 Tours but only when everything goes according to his plan and also if he holds motivation which is even tougher imf course it will depend on Tour routes but also how Team Sky will develop in years to come.
He is a true hard woking sportsman so I think this is possible, but competion is tough you know...
For example I would bet a lot of money that Froome won't win next year Tour.

Would you still be happy with that bet if 100+km of TTs are announced?

Secret info you know ... nahhh kiddin
I wouldnt be so happy anymore but still I would go for that.If you check TdF results, riders always tempt to be in the worse shape next year after their superb year ;-)

I don't know except that guy who won 7 in a row,there was also a Spanish guy who managed to get 2 consecutive wins,despite his crap form.Sorry can't remember his name.

Do you think I forgot Alberto won 2 years in a row?
If you look from 2006 to 2015 you can see that trend ruling. (even in 2010 it was tight as AC wasnt in a good form)

 

[del1962]

Has Bertie ever finished ahead Chris on a mountain top finish at the tour?

 

[May0maniac]

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IMO he is the strongest on single mountain stages. He has an insane acceleration and then he just keeps a high temp for the next 20-30 minutes. But as we saw this year he isn't thermonuclear on multi mountain stages or after many stages of climbing. This year Quintana gained more time on Froome in the mountains than Froome did on him.

I already thought the same after the 2013 Tour, Quintana was stronger in the multi mountain stages ( Ax 3 doesn't really count, it was the first mountain stage and he wasted lots of energy with his long range attack) and in the 3rd week.