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Netserk said:
Haters without fans gets you Moscon. Little activity.
Fans without haters gets you Nibali. More activity.

I think by far the majority of the Contador thread's activity was dedicated fans.

So I think #1 determinant is dedicated fans, #2 determinant is how good a stage racer the rider is (EDIT: Or the other way around). Classics riders generally receive less attention, and Van der Poel has more pages than Van Aert, so haters can't be that important.

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  1. Contador 51K
  2. Evenepoel 28K
  3. Froome 21K
  4. Pogi 19K
  5. Nibali 19K
  6. Rogla 18K
  7. Quintana 10K
  8. Valverde 9K
  9. Van der Poel 7K
  10. Armstrong 7K
  11. Vingegaard 7K
  12. Schleck 7K
  13. Wiggins 6K
  14. Sagan 6K
  15. Van Aert 5K
  16. Dumoulin 5K
  17. Cavendish 4K
  18. Porte 4K
  19. Pinot 4K
  20. Landa 4K
  21. Bernal 3K
  22. Betancur 3K
  23. Almeida 2K
  24. 2x Yates 2K
  25. Alaphilippe 2K
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All I've learned from this thread is that Bentacur is the goat for sneaking into that top 25 list. What a legend.
 
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Keldergoat said:
I just admire with how much confidence you spout absolute bollocks.

I'm always baffled, actually it is with some admiration I observe with how much confidence you spout nonsense. You just smoothly omit plenty of WT top-10s of Kelderman at UAE Tour, Poland, Tour Down Under, Eneco Tour etc. Plus, I fully agree with you on your CQ ranking slander, I also think it is not the best indicator of how great one's career is, but ignoring cycling quotients actually favours riders like Kelderman. Take last year f.i., where he had a crucial role as a domestique for Vingegaard in winning the Tour, didn't give him any points but did show how decent of a cyclist he was. I fully agree with Hrotha on this one.
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lol, no my friend. Tour Down Under, Eneco Tour and Poland do not matter in this regard. Not one bit. The one spouting nonsense here is not me. I also didn't mention Uijtdebroeks Tour of Oman top 10. And while those other races are WT, they are meaningless when it comes to GT GC potential (just ask the forum, after Evenepoel won Poland, it became utterly meaningless, lol), which was the context of the discussion. Uijtdebroeks wants to be a GT GC rider. He does not want to be a classics rider or stage hunter. For both riders, i only looked at GT and the 7 big one week GC's.

When there is a discussion about Merlier and comparing him to Van Aert, to see who is the best sprinter, you don't bring up Van Aert's Mont Ventoux win or his ITT wins. Or a more apt comparison might be Evenepoel vs Vingegaard.

Funny you fully agree with Hrotha after fully agreeing his CQ ranking comment is BS, when most of his point was based on that. lol. But a user named Keldergoat is disagreeing with me? I'm shocked.
 
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Who's talking about GC potential only? Your comment initially was that Uijtdebroeks '2023 season would already be one of the better seasons in Kelderman’s career', not referring to only GC potential. Before that you stated that his climbing results were better than their climbing results 'even later in their careers'. You constantly make bold statements, than water them down claiming you didn't mean it that way while that is quite literally what you stated.
 
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Keldergoat said:
Who's talking about GC potential only? Your comment initially was that Uijtdebroeks '2023 season would already be one of the better seasons in Kelderman’s career', not referring to only GC potential. Before that you stated that his climbing results were better than their climbing results 'even later in their careers'. You constantly make bold statements, than water them down claiming you didn't mean it that way while that is quite literally what you stated.
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Let's ask @Valv.Piti who initially brought it up, whether he meant to compare Uijtdebroeks to Kelderman, Kruijswijk and Mas, as potential GC rider, or rather as a GC rider, with part time domestique duties, and results in races not one fcking soul on the face of the planet cares about, like a top 10 in Eneco Tour, like you seem to believe.

Because before you want to call me out on spouting bollocks and talking nonsense, maybe you might want to do some comprehensive reading so that maybe you understand the context of the discussion. It helps to not spout nonsense or bollocks yourself.

I did not water anything down, i merely explained my stance in case you misunderstood. Believe me, i'm not likely to water down a statement i believe to be true. I think the list i made, speaks for itself. There are perhaps 4 out of 13 seasons in Kelderman's career, that are better than Uijtdebroeks' last season. I personally don't see any wiggle room there. So, 4 out of 13, i think that fits with my statement, "one of the better seasons". I also don't see how a top 10 in Eneco or Poland is going to shift the needle. And unless the forum is filled with hypocrites, you won't find lots of posters to support your case.

I indeed said his climbing chops last year were better than theirs at age 20, and even later in their careers. That's what i said, and that is also true. At his age, they weren't even close. And it took quite a few years for them to perform better. I didn't say they never performed better, or i would have stated it with that word. Never. Which i didn't. I'm quite aware a top 5 or top 3 in the TDF ranks higher than a top 10 in the Vuelta.
 
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Altough more than average talented, he has not the qualities of a future GT-winner. Probably not even a potential podium-rider. Not explosive, and mediocre in TT. Bad for stagewins and bad for GT-ambitions. But he does have talent.

But what happened this season, and probably also during the winter ? It's clear he's having trouble digesting the food-app. After that, both Uijtdebroeks and the team made serious mistakes. The rider by concealing the fact that he already suffered from numb legs at the beginning of the season. The team by allowing him to stay in the Vuelta for two weeks despite his poor health condition. I suspect that, after the heavy criticism, the team is now using a Covid excuse to withdraw him from the Vuelta. But much too late. Hopefully his season ends now, and the necessary medical examinations are now finally being carried out. Then everything can still work out before the start of the next season. It is important that they do not put the rider in a straightjacket, but take his qualities, weaknesses and physical limitations into account. Otherwise he will be destroyed next season and it will be the end of his career.
 
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