Fancy Bears hack ADAMS system

[buckle]

It's difficult to believe that these hackers are experts sponsored by the Russian government. This is proving a PR victory for the West who are using it for further attacks on Russia.

 

[python]

It's difficult to believe that these hackers are experts sponsored by the Russian government. This is proving a PR victory for the West who are using it for further attacks on Russia.

wada should jump on the offer - the russians are offering a direct help in tracking down the hackers..

to me, it's a no brainer. any attempt at further obfuscation or masking the hackers would be instantly obvious to the competent investigators. which in turn would further sink the russian rep.

otoh, if wada turns down the offer, it would show how premature and politically driven their accusations were.

 

[bewildered]

The pattern emerging from the AAFs in pt 2 is that a TUE is granted almost indefinitely to cover a failed test.

But we aren't seeing the failed tests, by and large.

Why would you expect to see failed tests from this hack? They are either made public or covered up. If public we know about them, if covered up they're hardly going to be documented are they?

 

[sniper]

The pattern emerging from the AAFs in pt 2 is that a TUE is granted almost indefinitely to cover a failed test.

But we aren't seeing the failed tests, by and large.

Why would you expect to see failed tests from this hack? They are either made public or covered up. If public we know about them, if covered up they're hardly going to be documented are they?

I think there is still some hope (albeit faint) that fnacybear didn't just hack the Adams system.

 

[thehog]

Is the athletes bio passport stored on ADAMS?

 

[Amnes2015]

Is the athletes bio passport stored on ADAMS?

after hitting the gold mine (the TUE and AAF database) do you think they found the platinium mine (passport) :surprised:

again , i don't think they have full database dump, only admin level access somehow and can see what they search for, and they can't dump all the database

i would like to be wrong and have all the database public sometime in the future

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Michelle Carter did not have an AAF.

Robert Harting had an AAF. His TUE was proactive, as opposed to retroactive; he requested and it it was granted before the date of his test.

People are reading too much into this. The thing worth looking for are patterns (We know about Zorzoli) and non-patterns (Grabrielle Dole is the IAAF TUE guy. He took a 200,000 Euro bribe for covering up Russians. He denied Carter's TUE, and accepted Hartings. ), but not individual instances. That someone needed a TUE, or a retroactive TUE, is a red herring in the anti-doping discussion

 

[thehog]

Is the athletes bio passport stored on ADAMS?

after hitting the gold mine (the TUE and AAF database) do you think they found the platinium mine (passport) :surprised:

again , i don't think they have full database dump, only admin level access somehow and can see what they search for, and they can't dump all the database

i would like to be wrong and have all the database public sometime in the future

The hack was done by a phishing email sent to some athletes, they logged into a phoney ADAMS which gave away their password. From there the Bears logged into the regular ADAMS and compromised the assess and managed to get all TUE documents. It's not insomountable that they also obtained access to the passport data as it also is stored in ADAMS. They probably don't understand what it is.

 

[PremierAndrew]

I imagine they would have released Cav's data alongside Wiggins and Froome. Guessing that means Cav's never had a TUE?

Imagine how good he'd be if he had asthma

 

[TeflonDub]

Re:

Michelle Carter did not have an AAF.

Robert Harting had an AAF. His TUE was proactive, as opposed to retroactive; he requested and it it was granted before the date of his test.

People are reading too much into this. The thing worth looking for are patterns (We know about Zorzoli) and non-patterns (Grabrielle Dole is the IAAF TUE guy. He took a 200,000 Euro bribe for covering up Russians. He denied Carter's TUE, and accepted Hartings. ), but not individual instances. That someone needed a TUE, or a retroactive TUE, is a red herring in the anti-doping discussion

You're right, it was just the TUE request rejection (it was late last night when I was trying to get through them all!). I have edited the post. Can you answer the question I asked at the end of it?

Edit: Michelle Carter, US Gold medallist shot-putter in Rio, allegedly had a retroactive TUE request in January 2015 rejected. Three different glucocorticoids for an emergency treatment. Aren't retroactive requests usually made because of an AAF or on the expectation of one due to the half-life of the substances?

 

[Jacques (7 ch)]

Re:

Here are Wiggins' TUEs.

Salbutamol inhalers on the top row ('08-'09).

Triamcinolone injections on the bottom ('11-'13).

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No wonder he was weak in the 2010 Tour. Sky missing a marginal gain there.

 

[doperhopper]

Re:

I imagine they would have released Cav's data alongside Wiggins and Froome. Guessing that means Cav's never had a TUE?

Imagine how good he'd be if he had asthma

one Great Transformation away from becoming a GC-contending mountain goat... while still keeping his watts for sprint!

looks like we were robbed of new Eddy

 

[AlbineVespuzzio]

Robert Harting was a huge disappointment. The way he rips out his shirt after winning I could never imagine he's just a poor old sick man..

 

[doolols]

The pattern emerging from the AAFs in pt 2 is that a TUE is granted almost indefinitely to cover a failed test.

But we aren't seeing the failed tests, by and large.

Why would you expect to see failed tests from this hack? They are either made public or covered up. If public we know about them, if covered up they're hardly going to be documented are they?

We do have some AAFs leaked, but surprisingly few. So they clearly have access to some incriminating data, but maybe not all.

AAFs are sent to WADA (depending on who does the test), because it's WADA (assuming they requested the test) who connect the anonymised serial number to the athlete. WADA then notify the ruling body for the sport that the AAF came from. It's at that point it's covered up. The UCI are far more open about AAFs than many other sports - football and tennis spring to mind.

 

[The Hitch]

Is there a TUE for EPO? Because otherwise I don't take this too seriously.

One has to be blind and dumb and on Mars (or the president of a sports governing body) to believe that there isn't mass EPO and Aicar abuse atm in sport, and probably other similar effective drugs.

That's what people are using. This cough medicine they occasionally get a TUE for is small potatoes.

 

[Benotti69]

Is there a TUE for EPO? Because otherwise I don't take this too seriously.

One has to be blind and dumb and on Mars (or the president of a sports governing body) to believe that there isn't mass EPO and Aicar abuse atm in sport, and probably other similar effective drugs.

That's what people are using. This cough medicine they occasionally get a TUE for is small potatoes.

more like Belgian Frittes.

 

[doolols]

That's what people are using. This cough medicine they occasionally get a TUE for is small potatoes.

Yep. A TUE isn't evidence of doping. But the ease with which athletes can get a backdated TUE for a banned substance is worth questioning.

 

[python]

:surprised: amazing. the 'marginal gains' (read: abusing the tue loop holes) is now small potatos...wow

 

[Huapango]

Re:

I imagine they would have released Cav's data alongside Wiggins and Froome. Guessing that means Cav's never had a TUE?

Imagine how good he'd be if he had asthma

I imagine Cav is riding at maximum capacity this year. The perfect storm of Cookson, Reedie and the Olympics has him in full beast-mode.

 

[BullsFan22]

https://www.rt.com/sport/359476-smirnov-wada-fancy-bear/


Not sure if Smirnov is being forced to say this by the Russian higher ups and/or IOC higher ups+corporate sponsors, but to me this is significant. The government it appears never played a part in this, and they genuinely are concerned with the 'hacking.' While the hackers are obviously leaking valid information, information that is confirmed by WADA, it is, as some of you have already noted, not doing the Russians too many favors. For us here in the clinic it gives us something to speculate and talk about, you know, the usual. I do think it's important that there is pragmatism and truth coming out, meaning that if any of these leaks show foul play (beside the obvious ridiculousness of the TUE's, which are always hotly debated, but do seem to show an incredible leniency towards a lot of these top athletes which could very well act as doping and 'covers' for doping) and cover ups, then they absolutely need to be released. Of course privacy is an issue, nobody wants their personal data (no matter who they are or what they do) hacked and released to the public, but it could show massive corruption by various parties involved. In my honest opinion, I think Fancy Bears should keep going. It will at least generate some talk regarding TUE's, if nothing else. I do also think that they will hit a jackpot, if they keep going.

 

[42x16ss]

Re: Re:

I imagine they would have released Cav's data alongside Wiggins and Froome. Guessing that means Cav's never had a TUE?

Imagine how good he'd be if he had asthma

I imagine Cav is riding at maximum capacity this year. The perfect storm of Cookson, Reedie and the Olympics has him in full beast-mode.

Don't forget a sprinter's course for Worlds as well. There's a reason Cav is partying like it's 2009!

 

[TourOfSardinia]

@Jeroen Swart,
Thanks for telling the Guardian this:

Meanwhile Dr Jeroen Swart, the world renowned South African physiologist who conducted a range of tests on Chris Froome last year, told the Guardian that, while the renewed attention on the use – and potential misuse – of TUEs was welcome, there were other performance enhancement issues in sport that needed addressing. Swart specifically highlighted the use of cortisone out of competition, especially in cycling to lose weight without losing power, as well as thyroid medication use by runners to control appetite – both of which remain legal despite their apparent benefits.

https://www.theguardian.com/sport/2016/sep/15/fancy-bears-leak-british-olympians-48-tues

 

[Amnes2015]

this dreep feed targeted release is started to backfire on the hack team because they seem to be cherry picking what to show and can't make comparisons with other athletes data

would be better to dump everything like wikileaks despite the lower impact , would be more credible

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Is there a TUE for EPO? Because otherwise I don't take this too seriously.

One has to be blind and dumb and on Mars (or the president of a sports governing body) to believe that there isn't mass EPO and Aicar abuse atm in sport, and probably other similar effective drugs.

That's what people are using. This cough medicine they occasionally get a TUE for is small potatoes.

hahaha. hilarious assumptions once again without a shred of evidence. how does that tinfoil hat feel?

 

[More Strides than Rides]

Re: Re:

Michelle Carter did not have an AAF.

Robert Harting had an AAF. His TUE was proactive, as opposed to retroactive; he requested and it it was granted before the date of his test.

People are reading too much into this. The thing worth looking for are patterns (We know about Zorzoli) and non-patterns (Grabrielle Dole is the IAAF TUE guy. He took a 200,000 Euro bribe for covering up Russians. He denied Carter's TUE, and accepted Hartings. ), but not individual instances. That someone needed a TUE, or a retroactive TUE, is a red herring in the anti-doping discussion

You're right, it was just the TUE request rejection (it was late last night when I was trying to get through them all!). I have edited the post. Can you answer the question I asked at the end of it?

Edit: Michelle Carter, US Gold medallist shot-putter in Rio, allegedly had a retroactive TUE request in January 2015 rejected. Three different glucocorticoids for an emergency treatment. Aren't retroactive requests usually made because of an AAF or on the expectation of one due to the half-life of the substances?

She applied for the TUE in January, and denied on Feb 4. She applied for glucocorticoids.

Glucocorticoids are not banned out of competition. She did not open her season until March 11. She would not have had an AAF for drugs legal out of competition, because the timeframe of this TUE is out of competition.