Frank schleck

[rata de sentina]

Really? Your average pro knows what substances are chemically similar to other substances and, assuming that the labels are even correct, can navigate a morass of trade names being used for substances?

What´s chemical similarity got to do with it? It clearly states ¨similar biological effects¨ so as pointed out any diuretic is banned. You can´t get any simpler than that.

 

[BroDeal]

What´s chemical similarity got to do with it? It clearly states ¨similar biological effects¨ so as pointed out any diuretic is banned. You can´t get any simpler than that.

The point is that right now everyone is acting like they have always known that xipamide is a diuretic like they have always known water is wet. The reality is that 99% of the people here had never heard of the stuff until it popped up in Shrek's urine. Substances come with all sorts of trade names. Eli Lilly uses different trade names for Xipamide in different.countries. Supplements are often poorly labeled, even misleadingly so. It may be very hard for a rider to figure out whether a substance is chemically similar to another.

This will turn out to be something in a supplement or a medication..

 

[DirtyWorks]

I am confused.

Quotes by Andy on Frank's positive...

"This is a huge blow for us"
"...we train together all the time, we are preparing together all the time, we race together all the time..."
"And I can tell you and you repeat that we have never taken anything"

Andy does realize he and Frank are separate people, right? Frank returned a positive, not Andy.

Did Andy pitch in money for Dr Fuentes as well?

If dear old Dad was running The Program, it is probably pretty accurate. Daddy Shleck rode about McQuaid's era. The brothers strike me as the result of stage parent(s?) anyway.

 

[rata de sentina]

The point is that right now everyone is acting like they have always known that xipamide is a diuretic like they have always known water is wet. The reality is that 99% of the people here had never heard of the stuff until it popped up in Shrek's urine.

No-one is acting like that they just looked it up on the interwebs just like anyone else can, including Frank.

Supplements are often poorly labeled, even misleadingly so. It may be very hard for a rider to figure out whether a substance is chemically similar to another.

Athlete is responsible for what they put in their body. If they are using some unprofessionally prepared supplement then thatś their own problem. Poor labelling should ring alarm bells straight away.

 

[Carols]

I didn't catch how Paul and Phil handled it today. But, I suspect that were not very negative on Frank. Frank and Andy are the "People's Champion" of the NBC Sports' cycling broadcasts.

P&P didn't say a word; but Bob Roll's opinion was there was No Way it got into his body by accident. Score 1 for Bob; I was expecting excuses!

 

[mewmewmew13]

P&P didn't say a word; but Bob Roll's opinion was there was No Way it got into his body by accident. Score 1 for Bob; I was expecting excuses!

His excuses were all used up on someone else....

 

[FabulousCandelabra]

lol I truly believe in Andy more than I believe in Sky..

 

[movingtarget]

That's the kind of bullsh*t attitude that continues the lie. There is absolutely no reason he should have any of it in his system which is the point of the test. While it may not "be on the list" it's cousin drugs are and the regulations are phrased around the intent to use because designer versions of almost any drug emerge prior to ability to test. Frank's got some 'splainin' to due, Lucy.

Frank claims he was poisoned........with a diuretic ? Andy said he is currently disgusted with cycling. After the year they have had, I'm not surprised.

 

[gregod]

does anybody else think this spells the end of radioschack? schleck (guilty or not) plus bruyneel (just guilty) is enough bad publicity to want to pull the plug.

 

[meat puppet]

Hrrm. Was thinking that this might be the exit strategy for the powers that be already, and Frank was simply thrown under the bus.

More generally, though:

Frank's case is to doping discourse what Spain defaulting is to the Euro crisis. While the Greek dilemma and AC's case could both be dismissed altogether with reference to the alleged recklessness behind both, Spain and Schleck for their part drive home the points about systemic problems embedded in the fields of reference themselves.

The official truth about the crisis is that the PIIGS countries' recklessness re public spending is cause of the crisis. The official truth about doping is that only riders from the PIIGS countries and ex Eastern Bloc dope recklessly. Today, with Spain, Sky and Un-frank Schlecht, these claims appear so contradictory that it takes LA levels of awesomeness from the PR divisions to obfuscate the contradictions.

In Spain, there were no excesses like in Greece but plain old structural problems.

In Hegelese we might wager that with this mishap Frank Schleck has moved a bit closer to his "Concept" - that is, a cheater who has a low base level and is apparently going thru his menopause. Yeah, his menopause. Hope he is not sweating too much, though.

Oh, I forgot to add:

 

[sartain]

If Frank's A sample comes back positive, does that mean Andy's B sample comes back positive?

What if Frank's B sample comes back negative for the masking drug, and Andy's A sample comes back positive for EPO, but his B sample comes back negative for the masking drug too, BUT both they're A and B samples come back positive for blood doping, with small traces of hashish as well . . . then what happens?

 

[Oldman]

What if Frank's B sample comes back negative for the masking drug, and Andy's A sample comes back positive for EPO, but his B sample comes back negative for the masking drug too, BUT both they're A and B samples come back positive for blood doping, with small traces of hashish as well . . . then what happens?

At least they might have had a happy perspective for part of this year.

 

[BikeCentric]

does anybody else think this spells the end of radioschack? schleck (guilty or not) plus bruyneel (just guilty) is enough bad publicity to want to pull the plug.

I'd be shocked if RadioShack stays on as sponsor. Talk about throwing good money after bad...

 

[B_Ugli]

I'd be shocked if RadioShack stays on as sponsor. Talk about throwing good money after bad...

RadioShack were already pretty disliked and will be even more so after this especially at the tour with Livestrong plastered all over their buses, bike and jerseys.

I am no conspiracy theorist but its surprising that the 1st ever positive test in a Bruyneel/Armstrong team comes in the year that they both go under investigation by USADA. (This seems to be the most newsworthy point which has been missed thus far). Does this spell no more favours for them under the UCI in anticipation of some mud slinging at the USADA hearings coming up?

Just a theory.....

I would love to eavesdrop on the conversations between McQuaid and Verbruggen at the moment.

I am not cynical but apologise if I may come across that way!

 

[sniper]

RadioShack were already pretty disliked and will be even more so after this especially at the tour with Livestrong plastered all over their buses, bike and jerseys.

I am no conspiracy theorist but its surprising that the 1st ever positive test in a Bruyneel/Armstrong team comes in the year that they both go under investigation by USADA. (This seems to be the most newsworthy point which has been missed thus far). Does this spell no more favours for them under the UCI in anticipation of some mud slinging at the USADA hearings coming up?

Just a theory.....

I would love to eavesdrop on the conversations between McQuaid and Verbruggen at the moment.

I am not cynical but apologise if I may come across that way!

i think contador was with astana when he got busted, wasn't he?

 

[LaFlorecita]

i think contador was with astana when he got busted, wasn't he?

Yes Astana 2010 so not with LA/Hog

 

[Square-pedaller]

RadioShack were already pretty disliked and will be even more so after this especially at the tour with Livestrong plastered all over their buses, bike and jerseys.

I am no conspiracy theorist but its surprising that the 1st ever positive test in a Bruyneel/Armstrong team comes in the year that they both go under investigation by USADA. (This seems to be the most newsworthy point which has been missed thus far). Does this spell no more favours for them under the UCI in anticipation of some mud slinging at the USADA hearings coming up?

Just a theory.....

I would love to eavesdrop on the conversations between McQuaid and Verbruggen at the moment.

I am not cynical but apologise if I may come across that way!

If we're going the tinfoil hat route, I would say that this is actually a favour to Bruyneel/Armstrong (get rid of that pesky guy who's moaning about salaries) to encourage Bruyneel/Armstrong not to dump on McQ/Verbruggen during their USADA testimony.

 

[neineinei]

i think contador was with astana when he got busted, wasn't he?

Yes, but Lance took away Johan from Alberto after the Astana love fest 2009 TdF.

Li Fuyu tested positive for Clenbuterol while in Team RadioShack.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

Dopeology.org ‏@DopeologyDotOrg
P'tit Schleck on the offensive in this morning's Le Quotidien (Lux). However @Cyclingnewsfeed missed the most interesting bit

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Andy: "With some of the reactions to it, you get the feeling that some people were expecting something to happen." http://www.lequotidien.lu/les-sports/36500.html

 

[Punter]

Enjoy following these threads bt not very clued up on doping myself.

A question:

I always hear of B samples going for testing but cannot recall a B sample ever getting someone off - it seems to me that the B sample simply matches the A sample.

Is there a case of a B sample getting someone off or is Schleck just going through the motions here?

 

[kjetilraknerud]

Enjoy following these threads bt not very clued up on doping myself.

A question:

I always hear of B samples going for testing but cannot recall a B sample ever getting someone off - it seems to me that the B sample simply matches the A sample.

Is there a case of a B sample getting someone off or is Schleck just going through the motions here?

I think both Marion Jones (athletics) and Kristina Smigun (cross-country skiing) had cases with positive A samples and negative B samples.

On another note. Not asking for a second test (B sample) is basically the same as admitting doping - which doesn't happen too often.

 

[webvan]

Didn't Tyler originally get to keep his Olympic medal because there was a problem with the B sample?

Never heard of an athlete not requesting a test of the B sample...you never know!

 

[sniper]

Dopeology.org ‏@DopeologyDotOrg
P'tit Schleck on the offensive in this morning's Le Quotidien (Lux). However @Cyclingnewsfeed missed the most interesting bit

Dopeology.org ‏@DopeologyDotOrg
Andy: "With some of the reactions to it, you get the feeling that some people were expecting something to happen." http://www.lequotidien.lu/les-sports/36500.html

Yes, that IS interesting. So he's implicitely hypothesizing a set-up.

btw, I must say that I find Andy's denial much stronger than anything I ever heard from Lance or Wiggo:

Je peux vous le jurer sur la tête de ma mère!

He's either a non-supersticious hard-core liar, or he's really unaware of any wrongdoing (which still doesn't equal being clean of course).

In any case, if I'd dope, I'd never be able to deny it by swearing on my mother's head.

 

[kjetilraknerud]

Didn't Tyler originally get to keep his Olympic medal because there was a problem with the B sample?

Never heard of an athlete not requesting a test of the B sample...you never know!

Galimzyanov admitted to EPO use and didn't requst a B sample test, if my memory serves me right.

 

[neineinei]

Galimzyanov admitted to EPO use and didn't requst a B sample test, if my memory serves me right.

Galimzyanov deserves honorable mention for that, yes.

WADA proposed last year to eliminate the B-sample because it almost never was different from the A-sample.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/wada-head-proposes-eliminating-b-sample-in-doping-probes

The B-sample saved Smigun. But also a retest of the A-sample (which was done) would have saved her. Hamilton and Jones shouldn't have been saved, as history has shown.