Frank schleck

[Zam_Olyas]

Brian Deziel - trek international territory manager..a ride with him is planned for monday morning, good time to ask hard question if i can get up early on monday morning lol

 

[TheEnoculator]

RadioShack were already pretty disliked and will be even more so after this especially at the tour with Livestrong plastered all over their buses, bike and jerseys.

I am no conspiracy theorist but its surprising that the 1st ever positive test in a Bruyneel/Armstrong team comes in the year that they both go under investigation by USADA. (This seems to be the most newsworthy point which has been missed thus far). Does this spell no more favours for them under the UCI in anticipation of some mud slinging at the USADA hearings coming up?

Just a theory.....

I would love to eavesdrop on the conversations between McQuaid and Verbruggen at the moment.

I am not cynical but apologise if I may come across that way!

Li Fuyu tested positive for clenbuterol in April 2010 while under RadioShack, so Schleck is not the first one in a Bruyneel team.

 

[Catwhoorg]

And most of those were probably EPO tests, which historically have required more subjectivity to determine whether a sample is positive or not.

A fair guess, but I don't think there is that level of breakdown anywhere publicly accessible.

WADA would be fools if they weren't looking at such things internally though.

 

[Catwhoorg]

P&P didn't say a word; but Bob Roll's opinion was there was No Way it got into his body by accident. Score 1 for Bob; I was expecting excuses!

Kudos to Bob for that. Took me by surprise after the others were so soft on the subject.

 

[Bala Verde]

17 July

Jrack ‏@JoanHorrach
Bueno...estoy de acuerdo en q lo de Frank es una putada gorda...pero me puede alguien decir q pq cojones este soñor toma un dieuretico????

18 July

Joaquim Rodríguez ‏@PuritoRodriguez
Que puta noticia de mierda acaban de dar en TVE!!!K desde el 93 todos los tours han tenido problemas de doping,no son capaces de venir(cont.

De venir al giro o de dar según que carreras,en cambio vende mierda cuando y como quieren!! Que asco de televisión publica!!! Gracias

19 July

Joaquim Rodríguez ‏@PuritoRodriguez
Ayer me calenté con mis comentarios,pero es que me dio muchísima rabia que siempre estén con lo mismo. Pido disculpas si alguien se ofendió

 

[hrotha]

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I'll give you Horrach, especially after his "LEAVE US ALONE CRAI" tweet when Di Gregorio was arrested, but Purito has a point.

 

[Bala Verde]

I'll give you Horrach, especially after his "LEAVE US ALONE CRAI" tweet when Di Gregorio was arrested, but Purito has a point.

Did you happen to see the TVE broadcast he mentions?

 

[hrotha]

Did you happen to see the TVE broadcast he mentions?

No, but he's right in general about the way the media, including public TV, reports on cycling.

 

[Grayguard]

http://www.sporten.dk/cykling/bitter-wiggins-faar-ingen-kredit

For mig har Fränk (Schleck, red.) slet ikke været med i Tour de France, når han tester positiv på den måde, sagde Bradley Wiggins.

Translated: "To me Fränk wasn't even in the years TdF, since he tested positive in that way." - B. Wiggins.

Kind of harsh words imho. Considering the nature of the drug Fränk tested positive for, I would have thought most riders would wait for further investigation/information before making comments like that.

 

[Balabar]

Kind of harsh words imho. Considering the nature of the drug Fränk tested positive for, I would have thought most riders would wait for further investigation/information before making comments like that.

Not harsh at all. Fränk tested positive for a masking agent which points to deliberative cheating. There is no rational use for a diuretic during a cycling race other than cheating. All this talk of poisoning is nothing more than a smokescreen.

 

[Grayguard]

Not harsh at all. Fränk tested positive for a masking agent which points to deliberative cheating. There is no rational use for a diuretic during a cycling race other than cheating. All this talk of poisoning is nothing more than a smokescreen.

You might be right. But why use an agent like this *during* the TdF? Since it's very likely to get discovered, and serves no purpose, but as a masking agent.

Fränk didnt exactly look like a rider trying to win *anything*. More like a disgruntled employee being forced to ride the TdF, imho.

 

[Caruut]

You might be right. But why use an agent like this *during* the TdF? Since it's very likely to get discovered, and serves no purpose, but as a masking agent.

Fränk didnt exactly look like a rider trying to win *anything*. More like a disgruntled employee being forced to ride the TdF, imho.

Are you aware of what a masking agent is? The motive for using a masking agent is to mask other products. He took something else and wanted to hide it.

 

[Grayguard]

Are you aware of what a masking agent is? The motive for using a masking agent is to mask other products. He took something else and wanted to hide it.

I am aware another rider was tested positive last year - and was not found guilty. I am also aware that *everybody* knows you get tested alot during TdF. It just seems TOO stupid to use a drug like this *during* the TdF.

 

[Caruut]

I am aware another rider was tested positive last year - and was not found guilty. I am also aware that *everybody* knows you get tested alot during TdF.

The motivation for taking a masking agent remains the same. To mask.

 

[Grayguard]

The motivation for taking a masking agent remains the same. To mask.

*Duh* You think? What about the risk/gain factor? What would Fränk gain? He didn't seem like a rider going for yellow at ANY point. What he would risk is pretty obvious.

I am not saying I think Fränk is clean. But I am saying, I think the timing of this, the drug he tested positive for etc. smells bad...

 

[Balabar]

You might be right. But why use an agent like this *during* the TdF? Since it's very likely to get discovered, and serves no purpose, but as a masking agent.

Fränk didnt exactly look like a rider trying to win *anything*. More like a disgruntled employee being forced to ride the TdF, imho.

To try to mask something like cortisone or testosterone to help him to recover. He might of taken the chance that he was unlikely to be tested as he wasn't high on the GC and didn't place on the stage. He was motivated to get a least a stage win to salvage his tour.

Sulfonamide diuretics like xipamide are easy to detect when they're in the sample. However, they can be cleared from the body just as quickly as the metabolites of the drug that they're supposed to mask. Maybe Fränk didn't drink quite as much water as he needed to. Maybe the lab had new, lower detection limits for diuretics just like they did with clenbuterol in 2010.

 

[BYOP88]

Some riders that have less of a chance of winning than Frank, take *stuff*. Here is avery useful website http://www.dopeology.org/about/

 

[Grayguard]

To try to mask something like cortisone or testosterone to help him to recover. He might of taken the chance that he was unlikely to be tested as he wasn't high on the GC and didn't place on the stage. He was motivated to get a least a stage win to salvage his tour.

Sulfonamide diuretics like xipamide are easy to detect when they're in the sample. However, they can be cleared from the body just as quickly as the metabolites of the drug that they're supposed to mask. Maybe Fränk didn't drink quite as much water as he needed to. Maybe the lab had new, lower detection limits for diuretics just like they did with clenbuterol in 2010.

See my reply above. I am not saying Fränk is clean - I just do not see what he had to gain from this. Actually, I think FS seemed like a disgruntled employee he couldn't/wouldn't be bothered to do *anything* for RSNT this TdF. So why take *any* kind of risk? (a few days before you complain, you don't get paid, by said team)

 

[Balabar]

*Duh* You think? What about the risk/gain factor? What would Fränk gain? He didn't seem like a rider going for yellow at ANY point. What he would risk is pretty obvious.

I am not saying I think Fränk is clean. But I am saying, I think the timing of this, the drug he tested positive for etc. smells bad...

The risk/reward ratio for doping in pro cycling is, unfortunately, pretty strongly in favour of doping. Do you think Fränk was the only person doping at this year's tour?

 

[Grayguard]

The risk/reward ratio for doping in pro cycling is, unfortunately, pretty strongly in favour of doping. Do you think Fränk was the only person doping at this year's tour?

Hehe, far from. I suspected many riders during this tour - but tbh. Fränk was not amongst them; simply because I do not think he cared one bit about winning/a podium place etc.

 

[Nilsson]

See my reply above. I am not saying Fränk is clean - I just do not see what he had to gain from this. Actually, I think FS seemed like a disgruntled employee he couldn't/wouldn't be bothered to do *anything* for RSNT this TdF. So why take *any* kind of risk? (a few days before you complain, you don't get paid, by said team)

If you are on a doping program, you can't just stop because you're not winning/performing. You have to finish the program (especially with the bio passport, if it's blood doping/EPO related). If he, for example, was micro dosing EPO to get his reticulocytes right, I could understand that he used something to be (more) safe to get the EPO out on time. But maybe he got sloppy due to the lack of performances?

 

[Balabar]

See my reply above. I am not saying Fränk is clean - I just do not see what he had to gain from this. Actually, I think FS seemed like a disgruntled employee he couldn't/wouldn't be bothered to do *anything* for RSNT this TdF. So why take *any* kind of risk? (a few days before you complain, you don't get paid, by said team)

Fränk was working for himself--or his new team. UCI points travel with the rider to their new team. If the Schlecks' new team wanted to be in the World Tour, they would need all of the points they could get their hands on.

 

[Grayguard]

If you are on a doping program, you can't just stop because you're not winning/performing. You have to finish the program (especially with the bio passport, if it's blood doping/EPO related). If he, for example, was micro dosing EPO to get his reticulocytes right, I could understand that he used something to be (more) safe to get the EPO out on time. But maybe he got sloppy due to the lack of performances?

Well, I guess I can believe that better than the other explanations I've seen
I am still not convinced though... other riders seem far more suspicious to me

 

[Grayguard]

Fränk was working for himself--or his new team. UCI points travel with the rider to their new team. If the Schlecks' new team wanted to be in the World Tour, they would need all of the points they could get their hands on.

Ofcourse you could be right... I am not convinced though.

And to make one thing clear; I am not a Schleck-fan by any stretch. If this was a AC thread, I could not claim to have no bias... However, this being a Schleck thread, I do think I am pretty neutral.

 

[Nilsson]

Sulfonamide diuretics like xipamide are easy to detect when they're in the sample. However, they can be cleared from the body just as quickly as the metabolites of the drug that they're supposed to mask. Maybe Fränk didn't drink quite as much water as he needed to. Maybe the lab had new, lower detection limits for diuretics just like they did with clenbuterol in 2010.

Is it standard to test for Sulfonamides? I always believed it wasn't and that, where diuretics are concerned, the focus is more on thiazide diuretics. Or will you find both (with the same test)?