Frank schleck

[Chef_Vodnik]

Lol at the Luxembourgish Federation.

See also: Every other national federation.

Except CONI. They're cracking down on crims.

 

[Square-pedaller]

See also: Every other national federation.

Except CONI. They're cracking down on crims.

Don't USADA get time off for good behaviour right now?

(And yeah, I heard about that woman going to the 'lympics)

 

[Turner29]

I must say I agree with Horner. Since clentagate all professional cyclists (regardless of clean or doped) should be crazy paranoid. The fact is you cannot control to 100% what enters your body. You race at places like Argentina, Oman, Turkey, China ... who knows what substances you might accidentally ingest there.

When was Schleck in any of these places?

Moreover, how did this rather rare drug, Xipamide, mostly used in Germany, find its way into something Schleck ate, presumably in France?

 

[Armanius]

Maybe if Frank expresses a willingness to testify against Armstrong, he'll get a suspended sentence!

All kidding aside, how many times does a rider get tested in the 3 weeks of the TDF? Other than samples A/B, are samples taken from different days all tested? Or are there times in which samples are taken from a particular day, but not tested at all? I'm thinking that all of Frank Schleck's samples, however many there are, should be tested IF they haven't already been tested.

Are there particular PED's that go hand in hand with this particular diuretic that was found in Schleck's urine? My thinking is that Schleck would not be dumb enough to risk taking only a diuretic that would have given him limited benefits. So chances are that if he intentionally took the diuretic, there's something more to it.

I tend to agree with Horner about not being able to control everything that goes into the body. Even if RSNT or any other team brings their own chef and even their own food, I sincerely doubt any of the teams actually test their food to make sure there are no diuretics or whatever is it that Contador allegedly ate from the steak. Each time any of us buys "organic" food, we still have no idea whether that thing is "organic" or not. We just trust the label.

 

[Armanius]

When was Schleck in any of these places?

Moreover, how did this rather rare drug, Xipamide, mostly used in Germany, find its way into something Schleck ate, presumably in France?

He got it while having the secret meeting to form the German pro team next year!!

 

[BillytheKid]

Jean Regenwetter (president of FSCL, Luxembourg Cycling Federation): "I don't think that Fränk is so naïve to be caught with a substance that does not enhance performance."

"With the financial, organisational and personal problems at Radioshack Nissan Trek, I can well imagine anything possible"

"We will now forward the case to ALAD, Luxembourg Anti Doping Agency. They are the specialists for such problems"

"In case Fränk Schleck has sinned, we will continue to support him. We were there when he celebrated his wins. We will still be there for him in less good times".

Carlo Rock (press agent at Leopard S.A.): "As a team, we have no interest in losing one of our best riders. I cannot imagine that these abnormal findings justify dropping him"

http://www.wort.lu/de/view/doping-oder-vergiftung-regenwetter-vielsagend-50098425e4b0afd24275ba66

I don't know much about the substance, unless it works well as masking agent, it does not make sense.

 

[Grayguard]

Dr. Jean-Pierre de Mondenard (former doctor of the Tour and author of several doping-related books): "Did he dope knowingly? No!"

"The presence of Xipamide in Fränk Schleck's urine is difficult to explain. Because while it is a masking agent, the substance itself is easily detectable in urine. Therefore, if Fränk Schleck knowingly took this substance, he is either suicidal or stupid."

"To take such a substance on a Tour stage is not very intelligent either because it favours dehydration, when you have to stay as hydrated as possible during the race. But to take it as a masking agent, I repeat, doesn't make any sense because you are certain to be caught."

"The probability that he took it knowingly is very low. There are two possible scenarios. The first is a food supplement. Maybe one would have to search in this direction, maybe there was something on a countertop. The second is "doping to lose": basically, you want to make your opponent lose by trapping him. It's the oldest form of doping, even before the doping to enhance your performance. This is a product you can't find in France since 2005, so we have to see where you could buy it"

"The general director of WADA, David Howman, said in a press conference in November to the Unesco that the fight against doping was pathetic. For 258.000 tests, only 36 athletes had taken EPO. And those who were caught were boneheads. Before we caught guys on EPO and anabolics. Now we catch them for implausible stuff as it was the case for Contador, Kolobnev and Schleck."

"No, Fränk Schleck did not dope! Based on the information available to me, I have a very difficult time to believe it."

http://www.lequotidien.lu/les-sports/36520.html (French)

This is basically my thoughts - it seems too stupid to use this during the TdF... I might wrong, in which case I wont care

 

[D-Queued]

Frank took the diuretic because he needed to make weight the next day. He is a Mixed Martial Arts fighter between stages. Check out his pecs.....

Frank Schleck can cut through a hot knife with butter, and can split an atom with his bare hands.

Dave.

 

[Grayguard]

ok, but mondenard I assume is referring to established cases of framing.

as for Landis, he's been more open than anybody about his doping past, yet believes he got framed. I believe he genuinely believes it (regardless of whether it genuinely happened).

all the ones you list: of course those were bullcrap excuses.

note though that fränk hasn't (yet) come up with a bullcrap excuse, instead simply stating he doesn't know how it happened, which i still find more honourable then coming up with a BS excuse a la Contador, Tyler, Basso, etc.

Sorry, I don't think FS took this knowingly, as my posts show. But FS claiming to be poisoned is LESS bullcrap than the others?!?

 

[OctaBech]

Jean Regenwetter (president of FSCL, Luxembourg Cycling Federation): "I don't think that Fränk is so naïve to be caught with a substance that does not enhance performance."

"With the financial, organisational and personal problems at Radioshack Nissan Trek, I can well imagine anything possible"

"We will now forward the case to ALAD, Luxembourg Anti Doping Agency. They are the specialists for such problems"

"In case Fränk Schleck has sinned, we will continue to support him. We were there when he celebrated his wins. We will still be there for him in less good times".

Carlo Rock (press agent at Leopard S.A.): "As a team, we have no interest in losing one of our best riders. I cannot imagine that these abnormal findings justify dropping him"

http://www.wort.lu/de/view/doping-oder-vergiftung-regenwetter-vielsagend-50098425e4b0afd24275ba66

That was a discouraging read.

 

[Grayguard]

On the fence on this one.

First, xipamide is not easily obtained. Surely the black market will produce anything if needed. Very unusual to find this drug anywhere, particularly to act as a diuretic, which makes sense to keep weight down for climbing. A few lbs could go a long way climbing.

Next, there are well known documented FDA cases where OTC supplement companies have spiked/tainted their "performance enhancing" or "male sexual performance" supplements with real pharmaceuticals.

One example is Palo Alto Labs. Look that up. Easy to find the info. Basically they had a male sexual performance natural enhancing supplement on the market. When analyzed, whoopss...they found Sildenafil (Viagra) crushed and added to their "natural formula" to better enhance male performance!

Yes, they were putting a pharmaceutical FDA regulated drug they obtained in generic form in their stuff they sold at the local health food store and online OTC.

So, Frank could have easily taken a weight loss/performance type OTC supplement, that had God only knows what put into it to help people lose weight, thinking their drug works and to keep buying it.

Of course, Frank should know exactly what he is taking, particularly a day later after the test the past several days regarding supplements...come on, who doesn't know that?

Food, well, that is another thing, it is sometimes hard for the average person to remember exactly what they ate the day before, or two days previous, unless they eat a very strict routine diet of the same things...then you should know exactly also.

The other side of this, it sure is suspicious and not the first time we've had somebody with trace WADA banned substances and claiming tainting of something they ingested.

I think that is the genius of this type of "doping." You can find some obscure drug that will provide a benefit for you, or try to mask/flush your body of other things, then when it is found, and since it is so rare to find it, just claim you must have been poisoned or ingested tainted supplements.

Worked pretty well for Contador. He lost his TDF title, and suspended a short time. But his own country gave him a pass. I'm sure he will be loved and heralded upon his return to racing later this year!

Good luck Frank. I see a short suspension coming out of this from UCI under a year likely.

Uhm, you think the case against AC was any stronger? I don't think so... I think it's about the same actually.

 

[Grayguard]

Frank doesn't have anything to gain by taking this stuff, but no one else has a good reason to poison him.

It was probably something silly - the cook who was taking medication for edema ****ed in Frank's spaghetti because Frank out-climbed the cook's cousin when he was a junior and he's still bitter about it.

Tbh. you do not know that. People can have many reasons unknown to the public.

 

[T-Rav.]

Well, we know it wasn't one of his RSNT teammates secretly plotting to seize the GC leadership role....

 

[Grayguard]

And all the AC fans convinced of his innocence can support Schleck ... oh no wait, that was totally different.

If you're referring to me, I am NOT convinced of FS' innocense... I am not convinced he is "clean" either.

 

[airstream]

Thanks god the thread wasn't completely turned into toilet by Contador fans at once. That's some progress. Oh no, I'm wrong. The girl with allegedly "strong alternative opinion" is one of the most frequent posters on here too.

 

[Grayguard]

Troll. +10 chars

 

[on3m@n@rmy]

Sister Frank could use the excuse by US Goalie Hope Solo, who took a medication prescribed by her personal doctor for pre-menstrual purposes that she did not know contained a diuretic.

 

[veganrob]

Maybe a relevant question in Franks dilemma is what will Andy do if Frank has to sit down a while? Will he take time off also to comfort Frank as a protest or will he come back with white hot fire in his belly seeking revenge for this terrible injustice.

 

[dbrower]

Sister Frank could use the excuse by US Goalie Hope Solo, who took a medication prescribed by her personal doctor for pre-menstrual purposes that she did not know contained a diuretic.

If he can find the source and prove it, I think that is a best case outcome for him. No opinion on the likelihood.

I remain surprised the RSNT hotel wasn't searched, and things of Frank's weren't collected for evidence. He'd have been well-served if his impounded bottle of "safe-looking vitamins" turned out to have the stuff in it, verified by other bottles fresh off the shelves.

Much harder if the ostensible evidence is gone, like Bert's steak.

-dB

 

[ManInFull]

Maybe a relevant question in Franks dilemma is what will Andy do if Frank has to sit down a while? Will he take time off also to comfort Frank as a protest or will he come back with white hot fire in his belly seeking revenge for this terrible injustice.

He will undoubtedly have a huge volcanic fire in his belly. Come on, did you see how he spanked Contador in those stages after Chaingate?

 

[hrotha]

See also: Every other national federation.

Except CONI. They're cracking down on crims.

Indeed, the Spanish federation did pretty much the same thing, although the Luxembourgish federation has taken it up an extra notch by not merely saying they believe he's innocent, but by saying they'll support him even if he's guilty D). But still, you gotta call them out on it when they do it, even if it's the norm.

 

[meat puppet]

Indeed, the Spanish federation did pretty much the same thing, although the Luxembourgish federation has taken it up an extra notch by not merely saying they believe he's innocent, but by saying they'll support him even if he's guilty D). But still, you gotta call them out on it when they do it, even if it's the norm.

Spot on.

But unfortunately there's a contradiction there. Only the evil Mediterraneans and Eastern Europeans dope.

Would be awesome if Frank skated. Juncker to the rescue!

 

[TubularBills]

B test is positive. Frank Schleck just got owned. I hope he hangs up his bike, he's a disgrace to the sport.

A disgrace? You might want to talk to management & medical.

 

[LaFlorecita]

Thanks god the thread wasn't completely turned into toilet by Contador fans at once. That's some progress. Oh no, I'm wrong. The girl with allegedly "strong alternative opinion" is one of the most frequent posters on here too.

1) That is not true. I don't have a strong alternative opinion and I am not one of the most frequent posters.

2) What I post is what matters, not how much I post.

3) I believe this is good measure for all the Schleck fans who were ****ting all over Alberto.

 

[Christian]

When was Schleck in any of these places?

Moreover, how did this rather rare drug, Xipamide, mostly used in Germany, find its way into something Schleck ate, presumably in France?

See this is why one should always read the DISCLAIMER:

Disclaimer: the following is a general statement and not specifically related to Fränk Schleck's case