He wasn't that strong yesterday. G said he had more in the tank in the finish after following the Donkey. The clock clearly indicated Major Tom went the last hill faster. Time for few puffs I recon.Escarabajo said:Froome is going to surprise everyone. He is going to be stronger than last 2 years. LOL.
No. The final time is taken from the fourth rider, the TTT is not ridden at the “speed” of your fourth slowest rider because you start with 8 all taking turns.samhocking said:He said he had more in the tank because he had lots of turns on downhill sections. Besides a TT gets ridden at the speed of your 4th slowest rider anyway, regardless of who's on the front.
Give Sam a break. He's just a concrete guy who was hired to work part-time in Team Sky's social networking department.thehog said:No. The final time is taken from the fourth rider, the TTT is not ridden at the “speed” of your fourth slowest rider because you start with 8 all taking turns.samhocking said:He said he had more in the tank because he had lots of turns on downhill sections. Besides a TT gets ridden at the speed of your 4th slowest rider anyway, regardless of who's on the front.
Poor analysis again.
Part time? i cant even begin to imagine what a full time sam might look like.Huapango said:Give Sam a break. He's just a concrete guy who was hired to work part-time in Team Sky's social networking department.thehog said:No. The final time is taken from the fourth rider, the TTT is not ridden at the “speed” of your fourth slowest rider because you start with 8 all taking turns.samhocking said:He said he had more in the tank because he had lots of turns on downhill sections. Besides a TT gets ridden at the speed of your 4th slowest rider anyway, regardless of who's on the front.
Poor analysis again.
I think we all agree but when an individual makes up stories that Brailafraud has secret information on the UCI and provides no qualification to that statement then said individual will be called out and most likely reported.ahsoe said:Shouldn't we get back to the discussion of the topic of the thread and leave individuals alone?
You knew what I mean. I thought they finished with 4 riders. Either way you can only ride as fast as the slowest rider, be that 4,5,6 or whoever it is at the end.thehog said:No. The final time is taken from the fourth rider, the TTT is not ridden at the “speed” of your fourth slowest rider because you start with 8 all taking turns.samhocking said:He said he had more in the tank because he had lots of turns on downhill sections. Besides a TT gets ridden at the speed of your 4th slowest rider anyway, regardless of who's on the front.
Poor analysis again.
No, they will ride as fast as they can as a team taking turns with the final time taken from the fourth rider - ie if Froome let the other three finish ahead of him it doesn’t mean he was the slowest.samhocking said:You knew what I mean. I thought they finished with 4 riders. Either way you can only ride as fast as the slowest rider, be that 4,5,6 or whoever it is at the end.thehog said:No. The final time is taken from the fourth rider, the TTT is not ridden at the “speed” of your fourth slowest rider because you start with 8 all taking turns.samhocking said:He said he had more in the tank because he had lots of turns on downhill sections. Besides a TT gets ridden at the speed of your 4th slowest rider anyway, regardless of who's on the front.
Poor analysis again.
And that is related to Froomesamhocking said:It's a common explanation of how to ride a TTT thanks. If you've done TTTs yourself, you'll know you are only as strong as the weakest riders. Of course you ride as fast as you can as a unit, that's the whole point.
It’s still not true and it’s not common expression at least to those who understand cycling. You can sit on the back of steaming chaingain of 70 riders for 100km, finish with the lead rider on the same time and still be the slowest rider in the group. Same as TTTs. In fact l’equipe had a article on this very topic this week.samhocking said:It's a common explanation of how to ride a TTT thanks. If you've done TTTs yourself, you'll know you are only as strong as the weakest riders. Of course you ride as fast as you can as a unit, that's the whole point.
I’ve ridden several and when I’m at the back of the group I’m going just as fast with less watts. I cannot believe that you can be this stupid with something so simple. The rest of your post is nonsense.samhocking said:You're plain wrong and you've clearly never ridden a TTT either. You cannot ride faster than your weakest rider because if you do they get separated. Stronger riders and sacrificial riders will therefore do more work than the weaker riders to maintain a higher average speed into the wind. But, the payoff is they get less recovery as doing more work into the wind, so average speed will be compromised by the slower riders contributing less to that average speed. So, net effect, average speed is a factor of how fast your weakest riders are.
Your logic works if racing in a vacuum only.
Huh?samhocking said:Stop embarassing yourself. You are not racing in a vacuum hog. Any TTT squad will tell you this basic rule. 8 strong riders will ride a TT faster than 5 Strong riders and 3 weak riders sucking their wheels, because each of the 8 will get more recovery time than each of the 5. It's really basic Hog, honestly, just type 'TTT Only as strong as weakest rider' into google and there are hundreds of explanations, probably better at it than me from coaches, experts and probably Eurosport & BC videos etc.
ie stronger than your weakest riderIn an individual Time Trial (TT) riders tend to target a steady pace at or around their Functional Threshold Power. But in a TTT, each rider will take turns pulling the group at significantly higher power for a short period of time.The goal is to keep the team’s speed consistent, but higher than any individual rider could ride alone.
Notably, at these speeds, the front rider will be pushing very high raw power, which means that their watts/kg will have a minimized impact. Disregarding aerodynamic differences for a second, on a flattish course, a smaller climber and large power TT rider have to push roughly the same power to maintain that speed when riding out front.
Again, you didn’t bother to read the article and there are no articles on google “TTT only strong as weakest rider” like you stated.samhocking said:They have less recovery time and more work load though Hog. The weaker riders slow the faster riders because the faster riders have to do more work with less recovery out of the wind.
e.g
10 Strong riders cover 100 miles
Each stoing rider does 1 mile on front, 9 miles recovering x 10 times
5 Strong rider + 5 Week riders following strong riders wheels over 100 miles
Each Strong rider has to do 2 miles on front with only 8 miles recovering x 10
Conclusion
10 strong riders had to ride less on front and got to recover more than the 5 Strong + 5 weak TTT group.
Errr...No.thehog said:And to prove my point there is an article on the very subject two days ago on Training Peaks:
https://www.trainingpeaks.com/blog/anatomy-of-a-team-time-trial/
ie stronger than your weakest riderIn an individual Time Trial (TT) riders tend to target a steady pace at or around their Functional Threshold Power. But in a TTT, each rider will take turns pulling the group at significantly higher power for a short period of time.The goal is to keep the team’s speed consistent, but higher than any individual rider could ride alone.
Notably, at these speeds, the front rider will be pushing very high raw power, which means that their watts/kg will have a minimized impact. Disregarding aerodynamic differences for a second, on a flattish course, a smaller climber and large power TT rider have to push roughly the same power to maintain that speed when riding out front.![]()