Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[macbindle]

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Yes, there is almost certainly skullduggery afoot, and Brailsford is FoS, but this isn't the point I'm making really. Froome, in his current super-doped state or whatever, is actually a really good rider. Hard to watch, yes, but he still has to hold it all together. Doesn't mean I want to watch him, because I don't, but I think that within the parameters of doped cycling he probably is justifiably a great if he pulls off the 3 GT hat trick.

Ok, but in doped cycling their is no parameters. It is by definition crooked. So nobody can be considered jusifiably great. Especially Froome.

Of course it is crooked! Buy you try and find me one of the 'greats' who didn't use the doping products of their era...

 

[ahsoe]

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Also the unanswerable question of how good Froome would be if not at Sky. Having a team full of national champions etc means the USPS style of riding can be exploited to the max. The 80 km dash to the line at the Giro proved he could follow a plan (racing by numbers/committee) but the form yoyo-ing was very suspect.

He might still be the strongest rider, but things would be a lot more interesting and he would be tested more and use more energy. Currently, Froome and Sky have in a way already won before the mountain stages because the other competitors know, that everything they try is meant to fail because of the collective strength of Sky.

How Sky collectively can be this strong and seemingly almost never can fail in peaking at the right time is very intriguing. I hope we find out some day.
Of course the roster at Sky is comprised of all very skilled and talented riders, but skill and talent alone does not explain their dominance.

 

[dacooley]

sky have en edge at pretty much all significant departments: quality of riders, doping, logistics, training schedules. diet. planning and discipline which is maybe the most important. every hen knows its roots perfectly well and there is never any racing improvization involved.

 

[ahsoe]

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sky have en edge at pretty much all significant departments: quality of riders, doping, logistics, training schedules. diet. planning and discipline which is maybe the most important. every hen knows its roots perfectly well and there is never any racing improvization involved.

But - without having ridden professionally myself - I do not believe that having edges in all departments aka marginal gains can explain their dominance. And it is exactly the fact that Sky have been telling us this all along including that they are all so clean, that make me dislike them so much.

The story, that they pay attention to every little detail and harvest every advantage possible compared to their competitors is also far fetched. Because again I do not believe that the other teams are not fully focused on every little detail and advantage they can get.

And with that in mind, the Sky marginal gains, I believe, are not so substantial and cannot account for their utter dominance.

 

[macbindle]

When was the last time Sky mentioned marginal gains?

Regardless of whatever doping is going on, it is also perfectly possible that their vast budget affords them luxuries that other smaller teams cannot afford. It may be able to afford better organisation. It is also possible that these things help. Other riders have often commented that they do.

Does it mean they race clean? Of course not.

 

[ahsoe]

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When was the last time Sky mentioned marginal gains?

Regardless of whatever doping is going on, it is also perfectly possible that their vast budget affords them luxuries that other smaller teams cannot afford. It may be able to afford better organisation. It is also possible that these things help. Other riders have often commented that they do.

Does it mean they race clean? Of course not.

Yes, perhaps you are right. And maybe I am just mistaken regarding the extra ressources wealth brings to a cycling team.

Perhaps the combination of better/naturally gifted (?) riders, extra ressources to focus on details, organisation, diet etc. and access to top quality (and perhaps greater amounts of) doping really does result in the dominance we have been seeing from Sky.

The last 6-7 years surely does suggest this.

I think, I am just surprised, that the difference in performance levels between Sky and the other teams has been and still is so large. I would expect large and relatively wealthy teams such as Astana, Movistar, Bahrain-Merida to be able to at least to some extent close the gap. The best would of course be, if Sky's assumed doping advantage would be limited via anti-doping tests, but I am not that naive.

 

[macbindle]

Bigger budget=better medical provision, including expertise in evading detection.

 

[Salvarani]

Cheaters. The whole team.

 

[ahsoe]

As expected, unfortunately.
Only question yet is if Thomas can keep Froome behind. And is allowed to.

Perhaps next year they will complete the top 3 of the race.

 

[ontheroad]

Clear dilemna when Thomas attacked and went clear but Froome just couldn't help himself in chasing down hiw own teammate.

He revealed another bit of his character again in that last 2km.

 

[JosephK]

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As expected, unfortunately.
Only question yet is if Thomas can keep Froome behind. And is allowed to.

Perhaps next year they will complete the top 3 of the race.

Froome playing the gentleman today to allow Thomas a morsel before the same story plays out in the Tour. No surprises as long as Sky are in cycling. Froome has the triple in the bag, this year. Maybe TT champion at World's as well. He has free reign, now. WADA have seen to it.

 

[macbindle]

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As expected, unfortunately.
Only question yet is if Thomas can keep Froome behind. And is allowed to.

Perhaps next year they will complete the top 3 of the race.

Every mountain stage somebody posts "Froome to go full genius". Doesn't happen more than it happens.

Don't complain. It isn't going to be a Froome walk over

 

[JosephK]

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As expected, unfortunately.
Only question yet is if Thomas can keep Froome behind. And is allowed to.

Perhaps next year they will complete the top 3 of the race.

Every mountain stage somebody posts "Froome to go full genius". Doesn't happen more than it happens.

Don't complain. It isn't going to be a Froome walk over

Froome in a cakewalk. G is allowed his yellow jersey and stage win(s), but Froome will wear yellow in Paris, unless he crashes. That's a done deal.

 

[macbindle]

Probably Froome will, but what is interesting is if Thomas let's him do it without a fight

 

[hfer07]

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As expected, unfortunately.
Only question yet is if Thomas can keep Froome behind. And is allowed to.

Perhaps next year they will complete the top 3 of the race.

Every mountain stage somebody posts "Froome to go full genius". Doesn't happen more than it happens.

Don't complain. It isn't going to be a Froome walk over

Froome in a cakewalk. G is allowed his yellow jersey and stage win(s), but Froome will wear yellow in Paris, unless he crashes. That's a done deal.

We have just witnessed the greatest absurdity of the sport: The Magic Kenyan in display of his vast superiority allowed his team mate to win the stage while destroying all the GC rivals, just having G warmed up the Jersey for a bit, until he unleashes at will his ultimate blow in the 3rd week............................................... ALL AFTER WINNING IL GIRO


THIS IS BVLLSH!T

 

[Saint Unix]

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Probably Froome will, but what is interesting is if Thomas let's him do it without a fight

That's what cycling has become now... Which Sky rider ends up winning in the end, while all the other blatant dopers fight it out between themselves in the background.

It's fecking grotesque.

 

[ahsoe]

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As expected, unfortunately.
Only question yet is if Thomas can keep Froome behind. And is allowed to.

Perhaps next year they will complete the top 3 of the race.

Every mountain stage somebody posts "Froome to go full genius". Doesn't happen more than it happens.

Don't complain. It isn't going to be a Froome walk over

Froome in a cakewalk. G is allowed his yellow jersey and stage win(s), but Froome will wear yellow in Paris, unless he crashes. That's a done deal.

We have just witnessed the greatest absurdity of the sport: The Magic Kenyan in display of his vast superiority allowed his team mate to win the stage while destroying all the GC rivals, just having G warmed up the Jersey for a bit, until he unleashes at will his ultimate blow in the 3rd week............................................... ALL AFTER WINNING IL GIRO


THIS IS BVLLSH!T

And winning the last Vuelta and the last Tour.

Even with doping, how is that physically possible?

 

[ontheroad]

I think Sky will be more than happy for Thomas to take yellow in order to shield Froome from some of the worst of the roadside abuse over the next week. Then let Froome take yellow in week 3. You can write the script already.

 

[Franklin]

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Bigger budget=better medical provision, including expertise in evading detection.

Nope. Ability to influence the governing bodies.

It's USPS again. And that's not trivial at all.

 

[macbindle]

Perhaps you missed what the head of the governing body said about Froome a couple of weeks ago.

Just so you know, the governing body is called the UCI, and it's head is called Lappartient.

You really should make the effort to follow the story

 

[thehog]

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I think Sky will be more than happy for Thomas to take yellow in order to shield Froome from some of the worst of the roadside abuse over the next week. Then let Froome take yellow in week 3. You can write the script already.

I don’t know. There is what Froome says and what Froome does. He can’t help himself. Thomas is not going to give up his one chance in history to win the Tour.

It’s the only interesting aspect of this Tour, is will these two attack each other and will the other chase.

 

[Franklin]

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Perhaps you missed what the head of the governing body said about Froome a couple of weeks ago.

Just so you know, the governing body is called the UCI, and it's head is called Lappartient.

You really should make the effort to follow the story

Wada governs anti-doping. You knew exactly what I meant as you has shown in another post (a bit silly to try to feign ignorance, it would have been a nicer snide attack had you not posted there... but hey).

But yeah, any claim by you for not running defense is evaporating quickly now. The strawman strategy is easy to call out.

 

[Saint Unix]

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It’s the only interesting aspect of this Tour, is will these two attack each other and will the other chase.

It's Lance vs. Bertie all over again, except this time it's happening within an even less likeable team with an even bigger *** as the team manager.

 

[pastronef]

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As expected, unfortunately.
Only question yet is if Thomas can keep Froome behind. And is allowed to.

Perhaps next year they will complete the top 3 of the race.

Every mountain stage somebody posts "Froome to go full genius". Doesn't happen more than it happens.

Don't complain. It isn't going to be a Froome walk over

Froome in a cakewalk. G is allowed his yellow jersey and stage win(s), but Froome will wear yellow in Paris, unless he crashes. That's a done deal.

We have just witnessed the greatest absurdity of the sport: The Magic Kenyan in display of his vast superiority allowed his team mate to win the stage while destroying all the GC rivals, just having G warmed up the Jersey for a bit, until he unleashes at will his ultimate blow in the 3rd week............................................... ALL AFTER WINNING IL GIRO


THIS IS BVLLSH!T

Dumo was 2nd at the Giro, 46 seconds behind Froome, he attacked and beat all the climber, as did Froome today. did you see Dumo?

 

[Salvarani]

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As expected, unfortunately.
Only question yet is if Thomas can keep Froome behind. And is allowed to.

Perhaps next year they will complete the top 3 of the race.

Every mountain stage somebody posts "Froome to go full genius". Doesn't happen more than it happens.

Don't complain. It isn't going to be a Froome walk over

Froome in a cakewalk. G is allowed his yellow jersey and stage win(s), but Froome will wear yellow in Paris, unless he crashes. That's a done deal.

We have just witnessed the greatest absurdity of the sport: The Magic Kenyan in display of his vast superiority allowed his team mate to win the stage while destroying all the GC rivals, just having G warmed up the Jersey for a bit, until he unleashes at will his ultimate blow in the 3rd week............................................... ALL AFTER WINNING IL GIRO


THIS IS BVLLSH!T

Dumo was 2nd at the Giro, 46 seconds behind Froome, he attacked and beat all the climber, as did Froome today. did you see Dumo?

So everybody is cheating is your point? Still okay to cheat?