Teams & Riders Froome Talk Only

[The Hitch]

but for the past few years he has been sick most of the time

His next book is going to need a second glossary, one for all the seperate illnesses he has had.

 

[el_angliru]

http://www.lequipe.fr/Cyclisme-sur-route/Actualites/Froome-aida-par-l-uci/474031

A new '99?

Interesting. I think this could have its own thread. I'm afraid this particular subject will disappear in this thread among the usual Froome stuff. At least it would be easier to follow in it's own thread?

 

[Tinman]

Interesting. I think this could have its own thread. I'm afraid this particular subject will disappear in this thread among the usual Froome stuff. At least it would be easier to follow in it's own thread?

Just Do It.

 

[el_angliru]

Sure. But my English is terrible so I'd rather wait till some English sites reports about this in order to get the wording right.

 

[Alpechraxler]

Froome had missed Liège-Bastogne-Liège due to a chest infection and initially consulted with his personal doctor in Monaco, Dr. Bermon, who did not prescribe any oral corticosteroids to treat the ailment.

acoording to cyclingnews.com.


So no prednisolon for an infection seems logical as long as Froome does not suffer a severe COPD where it has its benefits.

But for sure it helped his ITT.

 

[zigmeister]

Steroids of any kind for an infection are useless. There are only a few anti-viral drugs on the market. They are for specific viruses, like the Flu/Tamiflu.

Corticosteroids are for inflammation reduction. So unless he had lung inflammation that is proven, xray might tell you that, how would you know he needs steroids for his lungs?

You wouldn't over prescribing drugs for no apparent reason.

40mg/day is not chump change by the way. That is a lot of a corticosteroids...and you better believe it had a positive performance effect.

Postal used cortisone, very similar class of family, didn't even take that much to help their performance.

 

[Dalakhani]

I was reading Michael Hutchinson's book (The Hour) last week, and this section stood out:

"...in the late-1990s I knew spectacular numbers of non-asthmatic UK riders who used asthma treatments, protected by a doctor's exemption from the doping regulations. It was easy; they memorised the symptoms of exercise-induced asthma from a website, went to their GP, recited the symptoms and got a prescription."

I don't know why I'm posting this here. I can't see any connection between it and Froome. None whatsoever...

 

[Benotti69]

Froome needs to start an Asthma Charity to bring about awareness of this terrible terrible afliction..............

 

[the sceptic]

I wonder how long Froome will last. It does seem to come crashing down faster than with Armstrong. Maybe one more mutant tour, then its over.

 

[_nm___]

he is asthmatic, he had a respiratory infection

a respiratory infections in asthmatics can lead to an acute exacerbation of asthma

40mg oral prednisolone once a day for 5 days is the typical treatment for an acute exacerbation of asthma in adults. you see it being prescribed every day to asthmatic patients in the UK. i assume the sky doctor got his diploma in the UK.


the article by l'équipe says:
"Christopher Froome aurait utilisé une forte dose de corticoïdes pendant le Tour de Romandie (...)"

this is a gross exaggeration: 40mg is what everybody gets

 

[_nm___]

emergency TUEs are always granted for exacerbations of asthma:



he is asthmatic, he had a respiratory infection

a respiratory infection in asthmatics can lead to an acute exacerbation of asthma

and acute exacerbations of asthma are no joke, they can send you straight to accident and emergency if badly treated or not treated at all

therefore, athletes with an acute exacerbation of asthma have the right to an emergency TUE, in fact they even have the right to a retroactive TUE if necessary. this is clearly stated in the WADA paperwork

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Science_Medicine/Medical_info_to_support_TUECs/WADA-Medical-info-Asthma-5.0-EN.pdf

so i'm surprised they are making such a fuss about it


... unless this is to do with his status as an asthmatic either not being registered or not having been renewed, which is another story altogether

 

[GuyIncognito]

he is asthmatic, he had a respiratory infection

a respiratory infections in asthmatics can lead to an acute exacerbation of asthma

40mg oral prednisolone once a day for 5 days is the typical treatment for an acute exacerbation of asthma in adults. you see it being prescribed every day to asthmatic patients in the UK. i assume the sky doctor got his diploma in the UK.


the article by l'équipe says:
"Christopher Froome aurait utilisé une forte dose de corticoïdes pendant le Tour de Romandie (...)"

this is a gross exaggeration: 40mg is what everybody gets

I got 10mg. I went to get the inhaler, it's written right on it. I refuse to believe a sportsman in top form can get four times the dosage and be just fine

 

[_nm___]

I got 10mg. I went to get the inhaler, it's written right on it. I refuse to believe a sportsman in top form can get four times the dosage and be just fine

here the official guideline by the uk thoracic society, whose recommendation gets reproduced in the bnf. the bnf is the book uk doctors prescribe by. i can't place the actual link to the bnf because it needs a password

the thoracic society says
"give steroids in adequate doses in all cases of acute asthma"
"continue prednisolone 40-50mg daily for at least 5 days until recovery"

in real practice we would give 40mg daily for 5 days, and say "come see me back if it's not got better"

https://www.brit-thoracic.org.uk/document-library/clinical-information/asthma/btssign-asthma-guideline-quick-reference-guide/

 

[Red Rick]

emergency TUEs are always granted for exacerbations of asthma:



he is asthmatic, he had a respiratory infection

a respiratory infection in asthmatics can lead to an acute exacerbation of asthma

and acute exacerbations of asthma are no joke, they can send you straight to accident and emergency if badly treated or not treated at all

therefore, athletes with an acute exacerbation of asthma have the right to an emergency TUE, in fact they even have the right to a retroactive TUE if necessary. this is clearly stated in the WADA paperwork

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Science_Medicine/Medical_info_to_support_TUECs/WADA-Medical-info-Asthma-5.0-EN.pdf

so i'm surprised they are making such a fuss about it


... unless this is to do with his status as an asthmatic either not being registered or not having been renewed, which is another story altogether

Before I die, please stop making this post
If your health is at risk, you're not going to do a bike race, simple as that

 

[thehog]

Now that's the Dawg we know and love. Look at him. Coming in over the line 5 minutes down in the middle of the pack.

 

[the sceptic]

Now that's the Dawg we know and love. Look at him. Coming in over the line 5 minutes down in the middle of the pack.

A bad day for the bots. Maybe its time to bring back Wiggins?

 

[thehog]

A bad day for the bots. Maybe its time to bring back Wiggins?

Yes! Bring back Brad!

 

[red_flanders]

here the official guideline by the uk thoracic society, whose recommendation gets reproduced in the bnf. the bnf is the book uk doctors prescribe by. i can't place the actual link to the bnf because it needs a password

the thoracic society says
"give steroids in adequate doses in all cases of acute asthma"
"continue prednisolone 40-50mg daily for at least 5 days until recovery"

in real practice we would give 40mg daily for 5 days, and say "come see me back if it's not got better"

https://www.brit-thoracic.org.uk/document-library/clinical-information/asthma/btssign-asthma-guideline-quick-reference-guide/

Got it.

Why is Froome racing if he has "acute asthma"? Is elite level exercise prescribed? Would utterly smashing an elite professional field a few days later be expected with someone with such "acute asthma" that they need a 40 dose of prednisone?

Isn't it about 5000 times more likely that internal testing revealed he was glowing and they got a rush TUE to cover it?

 

[Dear Wiggo]

he is asthmatic, he had a respiratory infection

a respiratory infections in asthmatics can lead to an acute exacerbation of asthma

40mg oral prednisolone once a day for 5 days is the typical treatment for an acute exacerbation of asthma in adults. you see it being prescribed every day to asthmatic patients in the UK. i assume the sky doctor got his diploma in the UK.


the article by l'équipe says:
"Christopher Froome aurait utilisé une forte dose de corticoïdes pendant le Tour de Romandie (...)"

this is a gross exaggeration: 40mg is what everybody gets

emergency TUEs are always granted for exacerbations of asthma:



he is asthmatic, he had a respiratory infection

a respiratory infection in asthmatics can lead to an acute exacerbation of asthma

and acute exacerbations of asthma are no joke, they can send you straight to accident and emergency if badly treated or not treated at all

therefore, athletes with an acute exacerbation of asthma have the right to an emergency TUE, in fact they even have the right to a retroactive TUE if necessary. this is clearly stated in the WADA paperwork

http://www.wada-ama.org/Documents/Science_Medicine/Medical_info_to_support_TUECs/WADA-Medical-info-Asthma-5.0-EN.pdf

so i'm surprised they are making such a fuss about it


... unless this is to do with his status as an asthmatic either not being registered or not having been renewed, which is another story altogether

People that register in 2009 then don't post for 5 yeas and suddenly come out in support of a rider caught doing something dodgy.

Seems legit.

But also forgetful of the great David Walsh novel where the following is recounted:

After Peters’s interview, Leinders was then interviewed by Richard Freeman, another doctor, who quizzed the Belgian on his medical skills and was impressed. Peters and Freeman recommended Leinders be hired and Brailsford offered a contract that meant he could be asked to work for up to eighty days in 2011. He worked sixty-seven days for Team Sky that year, starting with the Tour of Oman and covering some one-day races in Belgium, the Giro d’Italia and the Vuelta.

He was liked by the riders for his ability and admired by the management for his professionalism. If he treated a rider for an injury he would follow up with phone calls and advice after the race. If the truth and reconciliation movement within cycling was looking for a poster boy, Leinders might have been it. Sky found him in tune with their policies and keen to make a contribution.

Peters insists that Leinders was scrupulously ethical in his time with Sky. ‘We agreed as a team that if a rider, suffering from asthma, got into trouble with pollen we would pull him out of the race rather than apply for a therapeutic use exemption on his behalf.

‘Once, one of our riders was in this situation and the doctor got in touch with me and asked if we could get an exemption because the guy was in a bad way but was very keen to finish the race.
‘Using my discretion, I said “Okay.”
‘It was Geert who rang me afterwards to tell me I was wrong.
‘“We’ve got to have consistency,” he said.

Inside Team Sky, page 72

 

[SundayRider]

Now that's the Dawg we know and love. Look at him. Coming in over the line 5 minutes down in the middle of the pack.

Maybe add another 5 minutes onto that?

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe add another 5 minutes onto that?

and pushing other riders, hanging onto motorbikes up cols.......

 

[JimmyFingers]

 

[MBotero]

Yes! Bring back Brad!

No way,they really don't need Wiggo,Nieve could do a Froome anytime.

 

[Gung Ho Gun]

Have another coffee, Chris!

 

[Will Carter]

People that register in 2009 then don't post for 5 yeas and suddenly come out in support of a rider caught doing something dodgy.

Seems legit.

Irrelevant in my opinion, and also not supported by the facts of his/her posting history so not quite sure what you are getting at.