Froome Vs. Contador

[Cannibal72]

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Fair enough, but I can't see how you can hope for consistency when that means that you'd think a rider who tested positive after stage 21 (when they'd won 'on the road') was the winner, but if the same rider (in the lead, that is) had been popped after stage 20 they wouldn't have been. Unless, of course, you think Rasmussen won in 2007, Pantani in 1999, Merckx in 1969?

(Not really for this forum, I guess. Sorry.)

If Rasmussen had finished the 2007 Tour in yellow then he would be the winner of that Tour.

What about the other two examples? What's the difference except in degree?

 

[Taxus4a]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Of course if Contador win this Tour with any problem in Froome Contador will have a very good legacy. It would be just one Tour with both of them at his best, what is not the best in statitic, but it would be very significative. I will recognize that importance of that. But if he is not on the podium I hope his fans dont start saying he is old he wanst at his level, the team was weak, or things like that.

Vuelta 2014 say something, but not too much, but that Vuelta with Tour 2016 will say a lot.

Contador will have in his team a podium of the Vuelta and a rider who was stronger than him in Tour 2013, espie other good rier for all the terrains. And he doesnt need the team to grop people becouse he has a powerfull attack with all the people fresh, Froome needs previously people tired to make the difference, so he need a powerfull team if there is not much ITT.

And if Quintana win the Tour, becouse is more for climbers, Froome second and Contador third, will be as weel significative, and more if Froome beat Quintana in the next years.

I would like Contador get a good sponsor for his team, and to see him more years. Even if he doesnt get a very good team, it would be nice to see him in the Tour. I would consider a podium that way similar to a victory, it depends what I see on the race, for le Tour a team is important, but if you are not the maximum favourite you can take advantage of another teams. Dumoulin just needed a decent climber how this year he has Ten Dam to win la Vuelta

 

[northernsong]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Well there is that argument, but then I'm not sure how well Alberto's legacy holds up once you start explaining it. And you could counter it by saying he was gifted the tour in 2007. But then again you could say he was robbed of the tour in 2008. However you look at it, if he can win one more head to head against Froome, the need to fall back to the 'on the road' argument diminishes. And if it's Froome who wins one more head to head, he has the clear advantage as it relates to the TDF (more official wins, equal on 'on the road' wins and undefeated in head to head match ups, including a 'fair' match up where both riders are clearly targeting the same goal). Plus he has a few more years to add to his totals.

And to be clear, I'm all in for Alberto, but Froome has the ability to match his legacy over time. The problem for Froome is that his path narrows if Contador beats him in France this year.

As for my broader point, the problem (or the beauty) of fan bias is that a lot of Froome fans seem to think his career is already an par with Alberto's while a lot of Contador fans seem to think they can never be equals. Both seem wrong to me but barring injury or another rider winning the tour, one side is going to have their argument bolstered come July.

 

[dacooley]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Shitstorm incoming. Haters are inconsistent so they don't agree. They have no problem with guys like Merckx positive three times in his career, Indurain, Pantani and other obvious known *bip bip* keeping all their GTs but not Contador lol. Go figure, oh yeah the UCI said so.

either way, with all the personal remarks you dropped you clearly have no ways back unless bertie wins the 2016 tour. i would be really interested to read what you claim if he won't as all the metronomic theories you've agressively promoted for years can collapse in a trice.

 

[Angliru]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Well there is that argument, but then I'm not sure how well Alberto's legacy holds up once you start explaining it. And you could counter it by saying he was gifted the tour in 2007. But then again you could say he was robbed of the tour in 2008. However you look at it, if he can win one more head to head against Froome, the need to fall back to the 'on the road' argument diminishes. And if it's Froome who wins one more head to head, he has the clear advantage as it relates to the TDF (more official wins, equal on 'on the road' wins and undefeated in head to head match ups, including a 'fair' match up where both riders are clearly targeting the same goal). Plus he has a few more years to add to his totals.

And to be clear, I'm all in for Alberto, but Froome has the ability to match his legacy over time. The problem for Froome is that his path narrows if Contador beats him in France this year.

As for my broader point, the problem (or the beauty) of fan bias is that a lot of Froome fans seem to think his career is already an par with Alberto's while a lot of Contador fans seem to think they can never be equals. Both seem wrong to me but barring injury or another rider winning the tour, one side is going to have their argument bolstered come July.

I can't imagine how they (some Froome fans) rationalize this (in bold) belief. While the other side is just as irrational since they (some Contador fans) don't know what the future holds.

 

[Jspear]

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Fair enough, but I can't see how you can hope for consistency when that means that you'd think a rider who tested positive after stage 21 (when they'd won 'on the road') was the winner, but if the same rider (in the lead, that is) had been popped after stage 20 they wouldn't have been. Unless, of course, you think Rasmussen won in 2007, Pantani in 1999, Merckx in 1969?

(Not really for this forum, I guess. Sorry.)

If Rasmussen had finished the 2007 Tour in yellow then he would be the winner of that Tour.

What about the other two examples? What's the difference except in degree?

I've been following cycling since 2004...it was a great year to start.

 

[dacooley]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Well there is that argument, but then I'm not sure how well Alberto's legacy holds up once you start explaining it. And you could counter it by saying he was gifted the tour in 2007. But then again you could say he was robbed of the tour in 2008. However you look at it, if he can win one more head to head against Froome, the need to fall back to the 'on the road' argument diminishes. And if it's Froome who wins one more head to head, he has the clear advantage as it relates to the TDF (more official wins, equal on 'on the road' wins and undefeated in head to head match ups, including a 'fair' match up where both riders are clearly targeting the same goal). Plus he has a few more years to add to his totals.

And to be clear, I'm all in for Alberto, but Froome has the ability to match his legacy over time. The problem for Froome is that his path narrows if Contador beats him in France this year.

As for my broader point, the problem (or the beauty) of fan bias is that a lot of Froome fans seem to think his career is already an par with Alberto's while a lot of Contador fans seem to think they can never be equals. Both seem wrong to me but barring injury or another rider winning the tour, one side is going to have their argument bolstered come July.

I can't imagine how they (some Froome fans) rationalize this (in bold) belief. While the other side is just as irrational since they (some Contador fans) don't know what the future holds.

the biggest mistake to with uchlike estimations is undue generalization since all bertie and froome fans ARE very different. it doesn't come down to radical fanboys like blackmamba or taxus.

 

[blackmamba]

The thing is tho nothing I said isnt true, what your guys are saying is what you think and dont to be rude or anything but I use to rely on whats proven more than random peoples opinions. But thats just me

 

[rune1107]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Ahh, what a stage! Hopefully we get one or two more of these battles this year before it's over..

 

[PremierAndrew]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Well there is that argument, but then I'm not sure how well Alberto's legacy holds up once you start explaining it. And you could counter it by saying he was gifted the tour in 2007. But then again you could say he was robbed of the tour in 2008. However you look at it, if he can win one more head to head against Froome, the need to fall back to the 'on the road' argument diminishes. And if it's Froome who wins one more head to head, he has the clear advantage as it relates to the TDF (more official wins, equal on 'on the road' wins and undefeated in head to head match ups, including a 'fair' match up where both riders are clearly targeting the same goal). Plus he has a few more years to add to his totals.

And to be clear, I'm all in for Alberto, but Froome has the ability to match his legacy over time. The problem for Froome is that his path narrows if Contador beats him in France this year.

As for my broader point, the problem (or the beauty) of fan bias is that a lot of Froome fans seem to think his career is already an par with Alberto's while a lot of Contador fans seem to think they can never be equals. Both seem wrong to me but barring injury or another rider winning the tour, one side is going to have their argument bolstered come July.

I can't imagine how they (some Froome fans) rationalize this (in bold) belief. While the other side is just as irrational since they (some Contador fans) don't know what the future holds.

I don't think anyone thinks that Froome's career is on par with Contador's. If they say that, they most likely mean to say that Froome's career is on par with post-ban Contador's.

 

[northernsong]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Well there is that argument, but then I'm not sure how well Alberto's legacy holds up once you start explaining it. And you could counter it by saying he was gifted the tour in 2007. But then again you could say he was robbed of the tour in 2008. However you look at it, if he can win one more head to head against Froome, the need to fall back to the 'on the road' argument diminishes. And if it's Froome who wins one more head to head, he has the clear advantage as it relates to the TDF (more official wins, equal on 'on the road' wins and undefeated in head to head match ups, including a 'fair' match up where both riders are clearly targeting the same goal). Plus he has a few more years to add to his totals.

And to be clear, I'm all in for Alberto, but Froome has the ability to match his legacy over time. The problem for Froome is that his path narrows if Contador beats him in France this year.

As for my broader point, the problem (or the beauty) of fan bias is that a lot of Froome fans seem to think his career is already an par with Alberto's while a lot of Contador fans seem to think they can never be equals. Both seem wrong to me but barring injury or another rider winning the tour, one side is going to have their argument bolstered come July.

I can't imagine how they (some Froome fans) rationalize this (in bold) belief. While the other side is just as irrational since they (some Contador fans) don't know what the future holds.

I don't think anyone thinks that Froome's career is on par with Contador's. If they say that, they most likely mean to say that Froome's career is on par with post-ban Contador's.

My original comment might have been a bit hyperbolic, but I think there is a thread of thought along the lines of what you say sometimes coupled with a sense of inevitability that Froome will surpass Contador over time. We will see how it plays out, but I think this tour remains of vital importance to both riders.

 

[ray j willings]

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That bad he was back racing in a week...a liar that can't be trusted

No he was not racing in a week . He made it clear it was a hairline fracture- again did you see the big scar.
Show me where he lied, lets put your lies and assumptions to bed .

Seems to have done the job

 

[Kwibus]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Well there is that argument, but then I'm not sure how well Alberto's legacy holds up once you start explaining it. And you could counter it by saying he was gifted the tour in 2007. But then again you could say he was robbed of the tour in 2008. However you look at it, if he can win one more head to head against Froome, the need to fall back to the 'on the road' argument diminishes. And if it's Froome who wins one more head to head, he has the clear advantage as it relates to the TDF (more official wins, equal on 'on the road' wins and undefeated in head to head match ups, including a 'fair' match up where both riders are clearly targeting the same goal). Plus he has a few more years to add to his totals.

And to be clear, I'm all in for Alberto, but Froome has the ability to match his legacy over time. The problem for Froome is that his path narrows if Contador beats him in France this year.

As for my broader point, the problem (or the beauty) of fan bias is that a lot of Froome fans seem to think his career is already an par with Alberto's while a lot of Contador fans seem to think they can never be equals. Both seem wrong to me but barring injury or another rider winning the tour, one side is going to have their argument bolstered come July.

I can't imagine how they (some Froome fans) rationalize this (in bold) belief. While the other side is just as irrational since they (some Contador fans) don't know what the future holds.

It's always a relief to read rational posts. People giving their opinion free of bias despite favouring a rider. It's quite rare on this forum. Personally I've given up on discussions like this because of the number of fanboys/girls who can't discuss without being incredibly biased and irrational.

 

[Kwibus]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Ahh, what a stage! Hopefully we get one or two more of these battles this year before it's over..

When I watch this I still get kind of frustated that both riders crashed out during that TdF. What a race that could've been.....

 

[Taxus4a]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Ahh, what a stage! Hopefully we get one or two more of these battles this year before it's over..

When I watch this I still get kind of frustated that both riders crashed out during that TdF. What a race that could've been.....

First week of TdF is important becouse it is what do the race for complete riders, but I just hope none of them (nor Quintana as well) had any health or crash problem just before the race or into . A mechanical or a non important crash I could admid, even with time losed. it would be important all the Tour, but at least till the first ITT.

 

[PremierAndrew]

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Best moment in cycling in the last 2 years for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dKDgNRGUIuA

I still get peyresourde flashbacks

Ahh, what a stage! Hopefully we get one or two more of these battles this year before it's over..

When I watch this I still get kind of frustated that both riders crashed out during that TdF. What a race that could've been.....

Yep. That's the only real time in the past 4 years that we've truly seen Contador vs Froome with both pretty much in peak form. Andalusia last year was also good, but that's exactly what we missed out on in July 2014

 

[BlurryVII]

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I've been following this forum for a long time and never had a desire to post but the Froome v. Contador is interesting and for full disclosure I am a Contador fan and believe that if both riders ended their careers today Contador would go down as one as one of the all time greats and Froome would go down as a dominating rider but ultimately lumped in with a dozen plus other 2-time TDF winners.

The reality though is that both guys are still going and while Contador has breathing room in several areas, they are even up on TDF wins. If Froome ends his career with more TDF wins than Contador, that's a bit of a problem for Contador's legacy as a stage racer. How many of the true elites ended their careers with a rival having more TDF wins than they did. I think the answer is zero. That is why, whether people want to admit it or not, Contador getting a 3rd TDF victory is really important to his legacy. Giros and Vueltas are nice, but they are not really the same thing. And forget about who peaked when and who did what head to head. Historically, what matters is the wins.

And Froome has the same pressure from a legacy perspective. It's very unlikely he will ever match Contador on total GT victories, so his only way to close the gap and maybe surpass Contador is getting an edge with TDF wins. His problem is that he is now fighting on two fronts. He still has Contador to contend with while now fighting a new generation. That's the one downside of getting a fairly late start as a team leader. The window is narrow.

So it's no surprise the debate is as hot as it is. There is a lot at stake for both camps. The good news for the fans is that it creates the opportunity for some great racing.

Contador won more tours than Froome.

Shitstorm incoming. Haters are inconsistent so they don't agree. They have no problem with guys like Merckx positive three times in his career, Indurain, Pantani and other obvious known *bip bip* keeping all their GTs but not Contador lol. Go figure, oh yeah the UCI said so.

either way, with all the personal remarks you dropped you clearly have no ways back unless bertie wins the 2016 tour. i would be really interested to read what you claim if he won't as all the metronomic theories you've agressively promoted for years can collapse in a trice.

Heh? What the fu,ck has your answer anything to do with my post? Talk about being salty

I have nothing to back up, I just follow and enjoy cycling. And when AC doesn't perform, I'm still here to discuss it. Not like haters who only show their nose on AC topic whenever he fails to deliver lol and hide otherwise

 

[cellardoor]

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And he doesnt need the team to grop people becouse he has a powerfull attack with all the people fresh.

Isn't that why they hired Sagan?

 

[Taxus4a]

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And he doesnt need the team to grop people becouse he has a powerfull attack with all the people fresh.

Isn't that why they hired Sagan?

drop, sorry

 

[rick james]

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That bad he was back racing in a week...a liar that can't be trusted

No he was not racing in a week . He made it clear it was a hairline fracture- again did you see the big scar.
Show me where he lied, lets put your lies and assumptions to bed .

Seems to have done the job

Riding/ Racing its all the same

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Riding/ Racing its all the same

Yes he started training after 1 week. It was a hairline fracture which does not take super long to heal. Still the doctors were surprised by how quickly he recovered and how quickly he could perform at a high level again, but because he wasn't out for a long time he didn't lose much form.

 

[Miburo]

Get hyped for the epic showndown in the dauphine.

Who will have the most watts in this uphill prologue? love it

 

[Red Rick]

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Get hyped for the epic showndown in the dauphine.

Who will have the most watts in this uphill prologue? love it

I absolutely hate the idea, no matter who wins. Would be a lot better if it was on a shallower climb

 

[Taxus4a]

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Yes he started training after 1 week. It was a hairline fracture which does not take super long to heal. Still the doctors were surprised by how quickly he recovered and how quickly he could perform at a high level again, but because he wasn't out for a long time he didn't lose much form.

Very good, If one of the biggest fans of Contador can be objetive is a very good signal. Of would be alwayss like thyat I could be still a Contador fan

It was like that, he recover better than any doctor could expect, and it has a big merit for him in the condition to prepare so well for la Vuelta in those situation,

The perfect situation it is what Aru did last year: Giro, stop 2 month, Poland (or Burgos) and Vuelta. Or even better, Horner, no Giro, some races in altitude as Colorado and Vuelta.

So Contador wanst in the best situation, but Valvere and Purito were tired with a lot of races and Froome despite his injury was till Dauophine to la Vuelta just with 3 days of competition...it is maybe his blame, maybe he didnt give la Vuelta too much importance, he was there just to have a GT in his legs thinking in next year Tour.. trying to win, of course, but no the determination Contador had to prepare the race. That is something to aplaude in Contador, but although Froome was in good shape, Contador was better, they werent in the same situation, small difference, but not the same.

Quintana was in a better situation, Uran as well, but they had some problems, so...with Quintana would have been another race, not just try to follow Froome s wheel.

Maybe some people still think Contador beated with just a week training to a Froome in his best shape...
In Spain that is no so strange, some friend of me admit Contador did that way to give more epic and importance to the victory, confuse rivals and to avoid pressure, but they see that as normal (they follow more futbol, where people lie always and try to cheat)

 

[Gigs_98]

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Get hyped for the epic showndown in the dauphine.

Who will have the most watts in this uphill prologue? love it

I absolutely hate the idea, no matter who wins. Would be a lot better if it was on a shallower climb

I actually find this pretty cool. At least its something I have never seen so I'm really looking forward to it. Such a steep climb might be a big disadvantage for Aru though.