GC Power Ranking

[Netserk]

Still, as always I think Roglic gets a tad overrated and I do think Remco is a bit underrated with hardly anyone putting him above Primoz. We will see how the Vuelta goes but Remco is probably the best TTer in the world and I'm struggling to find many climbing performances by Roglic which I think were better than Remcos best performances in last years Vuelta.

I can't wait for your updated ranking after this Vuelta. For sure, I will have to change mine as well.

 

[Gigs_98]

I can't wait for your updated ranking after this Vuelta. For sure, I will have to change mine as well.

1. Kuss
2. who cares

Nah, I'll have to think about it. Obviously I'll rank Roglic above Remco this time, but that's really entirely down to Remco's performance. I don't think my opinion on Rolgic has changed during this Vuelta at all.

 

[Netserk]

1. Kuss
2. who cares

Nah, I'll have to think about it. Obviously I'll rank Roglic above Remco this time, but that's really entirely down to Remco's performance. I don't think my opinion on Rolgic has changed during this Vuelta at all.

You don't think the second fastest time on Angliru (fastest ever on the steepest part) qualifies for this:

"I'm struggling to find many climbing performances by Roglic which I think were better than Remcos best performances in last years Vuelta."

 

[Gigs_98]

You don't think the second fastest time on Angliru (fastest ever on the steepest part) qualifies for this:

"I'm struggling to find many climbing performances by Roglic which I think were better than Remcos best performances in last years Vuelta."

I mean do you think this was a particularly great climbing performance by Roglic? I think it was probably towards the top end of what I thought Roglic was capable of, but it wasn't surprisingly good. He didn't drop Vingegaard, he finished 19 seconds in front of Landa and Kuss and 40 in front of Poels who worked most of the climb. Was it better than Remco in Les Praeres last year? Perhaps, perhaps not. I still think Remco is the better TTer, I still think their peak climbing levels are comparable. The reason I'm rating Roglic over Remco now is that I no longer trust Remco to be consistently good over 3 weeks, but that's all.

 

[Netserk]

I mean do you think this was a particularly great climbing performance by Roglic?

It was his best single performance on a climb. So yes.

 

[Bolder]

Roglic has the Stomp tho.

 

[Red Rick]

If we don't count winning a monster MTT in the 3rd week by 40s on everyone while having a mechanical at least as good as Evenepoel not dropping Enric Mas on the big climbs then what the hell are we doing.

 

[Krzysztof_O]

Top3 is easy. Vingegaard, Pogacar and Roglic are clearly the strongest in terms of level (in that order). In terms of this year's GC achievements Roglic is ahead of Pogacar (Vingo still #1 OFC).

 

[Blanco]

It was his best single performance on a climb. So yes.

Monte Lussari is his best single performance on a climb.

 

[CyclistAbi]

When we are talking about the top of the top, then it mostly comes down to personal preference anyway. That is i often read on how one will annihilate another. And in the end that is mostly BS. Unless one is caught on a bad day. Once per couple of years.

 

[VayaVayaVaya]

Not sure anything will change the rest of the Vuelta, but looking forward to seeing everyone’s updated rankings. For me, Roglic jumps to 2, Remco drops like a rock, Kuss jumps into top 5 or 6.

 

[saunaking]

1. Jonas Vingegaard
2. Tadej Pogacar
3. Primoz Roglic
4. Remco Evenepoel
5. Geraint Thomas
6. Jai Hindley
7. Enric Mas
8. Joao Almeida
9. Adam Yates
10. Carlos Rodriguez

Tier 1
1 Jonas
2 Pog
3 Rog
Tier 2
4 Remco
5 A Yates
Tier 3
6 Cian U
7 Ayuso
8 Hindley
9 Almeida
10 CRod

 

[Netserk]

1. Vingegaard
2. Pogi
3. Rogla
4. Thomas
5. Evenepoel
6. Kuss
7. Hindley
8. A. Yates
9. Mas
10. Almeida

 

[Netserk]

Mas, Almeida and Ayuso are all very close. I think Mas was clearly better than Ayuso in last year's Vuelta, and the reverse is not the case this year (where I consider crashing out of the Tour on the first stage with a fractured scapula as significantly worse prep than the others). Maybe Almeida would have beaten Ayuso if not for his illness, who knows. But his Giro was more impressive than Ayuso's Vuelta. One-week stage races also point in the same direction.

In general, It's quite close from Kuss downwards.

 

[SafeBet]

Mas, Almeida and Ayuso are all very close. I think Mas was clearly better than Ayuso in last year's Vuelta, and the reverse is not the case this year (where I consider crashing out of the Tour on the first stage with a fractured scapula as significantly worse prep than the others).

Ayuso's winter prep was completely ruined with a knee injury.
Overall I agree these three are on a similar level at the moment but Ayuso's ceiling is higher if he has a normal season.

 

[Netserk]

Ayuso's winter prep was completely ruined with a knee injury.
Overall I agree these three are on a similar level at the moment but Ayuso's ceiling is higher if he has a normal season.

And I'm ready to put him higher when he shows that. This year he had a Vuelta no better than last year and a 2nd place in Suisse behind Skjelmose.

For the Vuelta, I think broken bones in July matter more than in winter.

EDIT: And when it comes to hypothetical ceiling, I think Hart would rank 4th-6th without his crash, but he didn't get to actually show that.

 

[CyclistAbi]

Jonas would need to beat Rogla much harder, for me to put him above Rogla. And as Jonas has beaten Pogi rather substantially. Hence i can't put Pogi above Rogla. That is when it comes to stage races and this season.

So i have them rated rather equally. That is no real point to believe one can't beat another in a stage race. Beyond cheering for personal preferences.

For the rest of the peloton. They have some catching up to do. Remco disappointed this season.

 

[Eddy Evenepoel]

The top 3 is pretty obvious.
1. Vingegaard
2. Pogacar
3. Roglic

Then there is a gap and a lot comes down to how you rate stability vs peak and it's very close because we have a lot of riders that have done 1 great GT results (podium) in the last two years. Thomas is the only one that has done 2 very good ones, so I'll put him 4th.

4. Thomas

Then Remco, Hindley, Yates-brothers, Kuss, Ayoso, Mas, Almeida, Landa, Carapaz etc kind of have to be judged mostely about the quality of their best performance / potential in the non-podium GTs. So I'm coming up with this:
5. Remco
6. A. Yates
7. Hindley
8. Kuss
9. Mas
10. Ayoso
11. Almeida
12. S.Yates
13. Landa
14. Carapaz
15. C.Rodriguez/Gaudu

 

[SHAD0W93]

Jonas would need to beat Rogla much harder, for me to put him above Rogla. And as Jonas has beaten Pogi rather substantially. Hence i can't put Pogi above Rogla. That is when it comes to stage races and this season.

So i have them rated rather equally. That is no real point to believe one can't beat another in a stage race. Beyond cheering for personal preferences.

For the rest of the peloton. They have some catching up to do. Remco disappointed this season.

I know probably talking on deaf ears but go back and look at the time gaps to the others for Vinge, Pog, and Roglic.

 

[CyclistAbi]

I know probably talking on deaf ears but go back and look at the time gaps to the others for Vinge, Pog, and Roglic.

This was discussed already. The gap Pogi had on Yates was reasonable for Rogla. So feel free to put Pogi and Jonas ahead. If that is your personal preference. Beyond that the road doesn't care. Rogla can manage just fine, against both.

 

[SHAD0W93]

This was discussed already. The gap Pogi had on Yates was reasonable for Rogla. So feel free to put Pogi and Jonas ahead. If that is your personal preference. Beyond that the road doesn't care. Rogla can manage just fine, against both.

That wasn’t what was discussed but continue.

A part of me does hope to see Roglic to the Tour next year and get destroyed by Vinge and Pog just to see your response.

 

[CyclistAbi]

A part of me does hope to see Roglic to the Tour next year and get destroyed by Vinge and Pog just to see your response.

A meme circulating for years already. And likely still years for that to have any ground. At least you omitted Remco this time. As that was a sure thing too.

Anyway. Feel free to have personal preferences. The road doesn't care much about that.

 

[Bolder]

The top 3 is pretty obvious.
1. Vingegaard
2. Pogacar
3. Roglic

Then there is a gap and a lot comes down to how you rate stability vs peak and it's very close because we have a lot of riders that have done 1 great GT results (podium) in the last two years. Thomas is the only one that has done 2 very good ones, so I'll put him 4th.

4. Thomas

Then Remco, Hindley, Yates-brothers, Kuss, Ayoso, Mas, Almeida, Landa, Carapaz etc kind of have to be judged mostely about the quality of their best performance / potential in the non-podium GTs. So I'm coming up with this:
5. Remco
6. A. Yates
7. Hindley
8. Kuss
9. Mas
10. Ayoso
11. Almeida
12. S.Yates
13. Landa
14. Carapaz
15. C.Rodriguez/Gaudu

This is close to my ranking, although I would move Kuss down a few spots because he has never started a GT as protected leader. But if these guys all started the same GT this is not a bad prediction.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

This ranking has become a lot less straightforward because of this Vuelta, with Kuss winning it out of nowhere, Evenepoel and Thomas failing their GC bids, Almeida collapsing on the Tourmalet stage and Ayuso being a bit iffy overall (mainly thanks to a bad day on Angliru, he's been decent to good otherwise). Makes for a whole bunch of inconsistent riders behind the most obvious-to-everyone-not-named-Abi top-3 you'll ever see, and really the main thing it boils down to is how you see the replicability of their peak performances. And that's a lot more subjective than ranking their peak performances.

 

[SHAD0W93]

A meme circulating for years already. And likely still years for that to have any ground. At least you omitted Remco this time. As that was a sure thing too.

Anyway. Feel free to have personal preferences. The road doesn't care much about that.

If you go back to my previous power rankings I had Roglic above Evenepoel.

You’re right, but your personal preference blinds you from what has been shown on the road. To the point you can’t see the road or results, just the third R.