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GC Power Ranking

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If you go back to my previous power rankings I had Roglic above Evenepoel.

You’re right, but your personal preference blinds you from what has been shown on the road. To the point you can’t see the road or results, just the third R.

Pogi was not good enough this season, stage races, to be ranked above Rogla. Claiming otherwise doesn't do him justice. He needs to do better in the future. Two years now without a GT win. This can't go on much longer. As for Jonas. Rogla would likely finish ahead on Vuelta in GC if team orders wouldn't favour Jonas moving up in GC. That is hence reality on the road. Compared to claims on how Rogla will be annihilated and such. That just confirms that this paper selection of favourites and real racing are a bit different things.
 
At the beginning of the season, mostly by internet influencers, Rogla was about to be annihilated by basically a gruppeto. As that turned out to be rather silly, the same internet influencers now claiming on how bad it would be if Rogla would decide to take this Vuelta. Oh i wonder on why. As that would really make their pre-season claims credible.

Moving forward, into the season, the list got ever shorter. Only a couple of names left, to do the annihilation.

Now by the end of the stage racing season, not much was left from such lists and expectations. Kuss basically being the only one that managed to pull it off.

So what you all are actually protecting, with this post-season lists of yours is your pre-season predictions. You want to keep credibility. By putting Pogi ahead of Rogla this season and claiming Jonas annihilated. Well, when it comes to such lists. Rogla annihilated most of them. Pogi really doesn't deserve to be ahead this season and Jonas didn't even resolve the Tour 2024 leadership at JV. For him. The team tried, by pushing him slightly ahead. But that doesn't play any real role. But as said feel free to have your own opinion and to blow in some other horn.
 
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Don’t forget the other subject that becomes difficult with the above poster.

At the beginning of the season, mostly by internet influencers, Rogla was about to be annihilated by basically a gruppeto. As that turned out to be rather silly, the same internet influencers now claiming on how bad it would be if Rogla would decide to take this Vuelta. Oh i wonder on why. As that would really make their pre-season claims credible.

Moving forward, into the season, the list got ever shorter. Only a couple of names left, to do the annihilation.

Now by the end of the stage racing season, not much was left from such lists and expectations. Kuss basically being the only one that managed to pull it off.

So what you all are actually protecting, with this post-season lists of yours is your pre-season predictions. You want to keep credibility. By putting Pogi ahead of Rogla this season and claiming Jonas annihilated. Well, when it comes to such lists. Rogla annihilated most of them. Pogi really doesn't deserve to be ahead this season and Jonas didn't even resolve the Tour 2024 leadership at JV. For him. The team tried, by pushing him slightly ahead. But that doesn't play any real role. But as said feel free to have your own opinion and to blow in some other horn.
You know what, you’re right.

I vividly remember the majority stating Froome was going to perform better this year and Roglic would stand no chance. Then who can forget the epic tale of how Cavendish was going to out climb Roglic at the Giro and leave him for chum bait.

Who else can forget how 90% of the posters had Soler and the other 10% Evenepoel as the number three on their GC power rankings with Roglic no where to be found.

Then how can I forget how daft the majority of us are for forgetting that Roglic has been the only one to beat Pog without an asterisk attached. Roglic should be the undisputed leader with Vinge working for him. Only then can Jumbo beat Pog at the Tour without an asterisk.
 
For the Vuelta, I think broken bones in July matter more than in winter.
Agree to disagree on that.
Collarbone fractures only keep you off the trainer for a week after surgery. Add a couple of weeks for outdoor training. I reckon the loss of fitness wasn't significant.

On the other hand winter is when you put the volume in and build your base level. Sub optimal winter training often results in inconsistency, especially if it takes months to solve an issue like in Ayuso's case.
I'd take Evenepoel's 2021 season as a reference.

But I guess we'll have to wait 2024 to have a clearer picture about Ayuso as GT rider. Whatever the reason it's true he has stalled this year.
 
Please try to act like a combine harvester and cut this crop once and for all.

Somebody wanted to plant such seeds. Nothing came from it.

You know what, you’re right.

Actually, i am mostly wrong. But the annihilation never happened. That much is true. Now some are again postponing it to Tour 24. Some just never learn.

Point being Rogla is up there. Like it or not. Paper lists and road are a different thing.
 
I doubt this will work, but this is my effort to consolidate discussion about relative strength and ranking of GC riders so that it doesn’t take over the Remco thread then move to the Vingegaard thread then pop into Roglic, etc. This is about stage races, not classics.

Obviously, this will be a fluid thing, but my unscientific and potentially provocative post-2023 Tour / pre-2023 Vuelta ranking is:
  1. Jonas Vingegaard
  2. Tadej Pogacar
  3. Primoz Roglic
  4. Remco Evenepoel
  5. Geraint Thomas
  6. Jai Hindley
  7. Enric Mas
  8. Joao Almeida
  9. Adam Yates
  10. Carlos Rodriguez
Now that the GC “battle” in the 2023 Vuelta is over, bringing the 2023 stage racing season to a conclusion, here is my updated Power Ranking. I placed greater prioritization on demonstrated performance (e.g., G’s second in the Giro) than on speculative performance (e.g., if Remco hadn’t gotten Covid, he might have won the Giro). I considered both GTs (more important) and 1-week stage races (less important).

  1. Jonas Vingegaard
  2. Primoz Roglic
  3. Tadej Pogacar
  4. Geraint Thomas
  5. Sepp Kuss
  6. Remco Evenepoel
  7. Adam Yates
  8. Simon Yates
  9. Joao Almeida
  10. Juan Ayuso
 
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I doubt this will work, but this is my effort to consolidate discussion about relative strength and ranking of GC riders so that it doesn’t take over the Remco thread then move to the Vingegaard thread then pop into Roglic, etc. This is about stage races, not classics.

Obviously, this will be a fluid thing, but my unscientific and potentially provocative post-2023 Tour / pre-2023 Vuelta ranking is:
  1. Jonas Vingegaard
  2. Tadej Pogacar
  3. Primoz Roglic
  4. Remco Evenepoel
  5. Geraint Thomas
  6. Jai Hindley
  7. Enric Mas
  8. Joao Almeida
  9. Adam Yates
  10. Carlos Rodriguez
I’d put Hindley above Thomas. Otherwise it looks reasonable.
 
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Now that the GC “battle” in the 2023 Vuelta is over, bringing the 2023 stage racing season to a conclusion, here is my updated Power Ranking. I placed greater prioritization on demonstrated performance (e.g., G’s second in the Giro) above speculative performance (e.g., if Remco hadn’t gotten Covid, he might have won the Giro). I considered both GTs (more important) and 1-week stage races (less important).

  1. Jonas Vingegaard
  2. Primoz Roglic
  3. Tadej Pogacar
  4. Geraint Thomas
  5. Sepp Kuss
  6. Remco Evenpoel
  7. Adam Yates
  8. Simon Yates
  9. Joao Almeida
  10. Juan Ayuso

Compare to PCSs GC rankings, based on demonstrated performance above speculative performance.
PCS considers GTs more important than 1 week stage races.


#Prev.Diff.RiderTeamPoints
12▲1VINGEGAARD JonasJumbo-Visma1620
215▲13ROGLIČ PrimožJumbo-Visma1290
38▲5YATES AdamUAE Team Emirates1097
49▲5ALMEIDA JoãoUAE Team Emirates1000
520▲15LANDA MikelBahrain - Victorious901
699▲93KUSS SeppJumbo-Visma834
71▼6EVENEPOEL RemcoSoudal - Quick Step785
83▼5POGAČAR TadejUAE Team Emirates780
939▲30YATES SimonTeam Jayco AlUla710
105▼5BILBAO PelloBahrain - Victorious676
11103▲92RUBIO Einer AugustoMovistar Team656
1226▲14PINOT ThibautGroupama - FDJ611
1325▲12CARUSO DamianoBahrain - Victorious597
14105▲91MOHORIČ MatejBahrain - Victorious585
156▼9HINDLEY JaiBORA - hansgrohe574
1629▲13GAUDU DavidGroupama - FDJ565
1717-SKJELMOSE MattiasLidl - Trek545
1828▲10MAS EnricMovistar Team522
1918▼1RODRÍGUEZ CarlosINEOS Grenadiers520
20136▲116VAN WILDER IlanSoudal - Quick Step515
21145▲124UIJTDEBROEKS CianBORA - hansgrohe505
2213▼9O'CONNOR BenAG2R Citroën Team495
23112▲89GALL FelixAG2R Citroën Team485
2452▲28BUITRAGO SantiagoBahrain - Victorious465
2554▲29GEOGHEGAN HART TaoINEOS Grenadiers460
2657▲31HAIG JackBahrain - Victorious451
2722▼5AYUSO JuanUAE Team Emirates446
2873▲45JORGENSON MatteoMovistar Team445
294▼25VLASOV AleksandrBORA - hansgrohe440
3090▲60CICCONE GiulioLidl - Trek430
3177▲46MAJKA RafałUAE Team Emirates419
3240▲8MCNULTY BrandonUAE Team Emirates417
3319▼14BARDET RomainTeam dsm - firmenich403
34395▲361GANNA FilippoINEOS Grenadiers395
3523▼12MARTIN GuillaumeCofidis391
36219▲183KÄMNA LennardBORA - hansgrohe385
3737-CARTHY HughEF Education-EasyPost371
3885▲47DUNBAR EddieTeam Jayco AlUla365
3947▲8SIVAKOV PavelINEOS Grenadiers356
4012▼28THOMAS GeraintINEOS Grenadiers345
41603▲562VERMEERSCH FlorianLotto Dstny340
4276▲34SHEFFIELD MagnusINEOS Grenadiers337
43205▲162HIRSCHI MarcUAE Team Emirates337
4488▲44POELS WoutBahrain - Victorious334
45249▲204POOLE MaxTeam dsm - firmenich331
4655▲9JOHANNESSEN Tobias HallandUno-X Pro Cycling Team330
4758▲11SCHMID MauroSoudal - Quick Step325
4878▲30BUCHMANN EmanuelBORA - hansgrohe321
4984▲35VINE JayUAE Team Emirates320
50720▲670GRÉGOIRE RomainGroupama - FDJ319
 
Compare to PCSs GC rankings, based on demonstrated performance above speculative performance.
PCS considers GTs more important than 1 week stage races.


#Prev.Diff.RiderTeamPoints
12▲1VINGEGAARD JonasJumbo-Visma1620
215▲13ROGLIČ PrimožJumbo-Visma1290
38▲5YATES AdamUAE Team Emirates1097
49▲5ALMEIDA JoãoUAE Team Emirates1000
520▲15LANDA MikelBahrain - Victorious901
699▲93KUSS SeppJumbo-Visma834
71▼6EVENEPOEL RemcoSoudal - Quick Step785
83▼5POGAČAR TadejUAE Team Emirates780
939▲30YATES SimonTeam Jayco AlUla710
105▼5BILBAO PelloBahrain - Victorious676
11103▲92RUBIO Einer AugustoMovistar Team656
1226▲14PINOT ThibautGroupama - FDJ611
1325▲12CARUSO DamianoBahrain - Victorious597
14105▲91MOHORIČ MatejBahrain - Victorious585
156▼9HINDLEY JaiBORA - hansgrohe574
1629▲13GAUDU DavidGroupama - FDJ565
1717-SKJELMOSE MattiasLidl - Trek545
1828▲10MAS EnricMovistar Team522
1918▼1RODRÍGUEZ CarlosINEOS Grenadiers520
20136▲116VAN WILDER IlanSoudal - Quick Step515
21145▲124UIJTDEBROEKS CianBORA - hansgrohe505
2213▼9O'CONNOR BenAG2R Citroën Team495
23112▲89GALL FelixAG2R Citroën Team485
2452▲28BUITRAGO SantiagoBahrain - Victorious465
2554▲29GEOGHEGAN HART TaoINEOS Grenadiers460
2657▲31HAIG JackBahrain - Victorious451
2722▼5AYUSO JuanUAE Team Emirates446
2873▲45JORGENSON MatteoMovistar Team445
294▼25VLASOV AleksandrBORA - hansgrohe440
3090▲60CICCONE GiulioLidl - Trek430
3177▲46MAJKA RafałUAE Team Emirates419
3240▲8MCNULTY BrandonUAE Team Emirates417
3319▼14BARDET RomainTeam dsm - firmenich403
34395▲361GANNA FilippoINEOS Grenadiers395
3523▼12MARTIN GuillaumeCofidis391
36219▲183KÄMNA LennardBORA - hansgrohe385
3737-CARTHY HughEF Education-EasyPost371
3885▲47DUNBAR EddieTeam Jayco AlUla365
3947▲8SIVAKOV PavelINEOS Grenadiers356
4012▼28THOMAS GeraintINEOS Grenadiers345
41603▲562VERMEERSCH FlorianLotto Dstny340
4276▲34SHEFFIELD MagnusINEOS Grenadiers337
43205▲162HIRSCHI MarcUAE Team Emirates337
4488▲44POELS WoutBahrain - Victorious334
45249▲204POOLE MaxTeam dsm - firmenich331
4655▲9JOHANNESSEN Tobias HallandUno-X Pro Cycling Team330
4758▲11SCHMID MauroSoudal - Quick Step325
4878▲30BUCHMANN EmanuelBORA - hansgrohe321
4984▲35VINE JayUAE Team Emirates320
50720▲670GRÉGOIRE RomainGroupama - FDJ319
As was brought up the last time you posted this, are you really going to have Adam, Almeida, Landa, Kuss, and Evenepoel above Pog. Who won multiple stage races and had the highest GC position bar Kuss.
 
Compare to PCSs GC rankings, based on demonstrated performance above speculative performance.
PCS considers GTs more important than 1 week stage races.


#Prev.Diff.RiderTeamPoints
12▲1VINGEGAARD JonasJumbo-Visma1620
215▲13ROGLIČ PrimožJumbo-Visma1290
38▲5YATES AdamUAE Team Emirates1097
49▲5ALMEIDA JoãoUAE Team Emirates1000
520▲15LANDA MikelBahrain - Victorious901
699▲93KUSS SeppJumbo-Visma834
71▼6EVENEPOEL RemcoSoudal - Quick Step785
83▼5POGAČAR TadejUAE Team Emirates780
939▲30YATES SimonTeam Jayco AlUla710
105▼5BILBAO PelloBahrain - Victorious676
11103▲92RUBIO Einer AugustoMovistar Team656
1226▲14PINOT ThibautGroupama - FDJ611
1325▲12CARUSO DamianoBahrain - Victorious597
14105▲91MOHORIČ MatejBahrain - Victorious585
156▼9HINDLEY JaiBORA - hansgrohe574
1629▲13GAUDU DavidGroupama - FDJ565
1717-SKJELMOSE MattiasLidl - Trek545
1828▲10MAS EnricMovistar Team522
1918▼1RODRÍGUEZ CarlosINEOS Grenadiers520
20136▲116VAN WILDER IlanSoudal - Quick Step515
21145▲124UIJTDEBROEKS CianBORA - hansgrohe505
2213▼9O'CONNOR BenAG2R Citroën Team495
23112▲89GALL FelixAG2R Citroën Team485
2452▲28BUITRAGO SantiagoBahrain - Victorious465
2554▲29GEOGHEGAN HART TaoINEOS Grenadiers460
2657▲31HAIG JackBahrain - Victorious451
2722▼5AYUSO JuanUAE Team Emirates446
2873▲45JORGENSON MatteoMovistar Team445
294▼25VLASOV AleksandrBORA - hansgrohe440
3090▲60CICCONE GiulioLidl - Trek430
3177▲46MAJKA RafałUAE Team Emirates419
3240▲8MCNULTY BrandonUAE Team Emirates417
3319▼14BARDET RomainTeam dsm - firmenich403
34395▲361GANNA FilippoINEOS Grenadiers395
3523▼12MARTIN GuillaumeCofidis391
36219▲183KÄMNA LennardBORA - hansgrohe385
3737-CARTHY HughEF Education-EasyPost371
3885▲47DUNBAR EddieTeam Jayco AlUla365
3947▲8SIVAKOV PavelINEOS Grenadiers356
4012▼28THOMAS GeraintINEOS Grenadiers345
41603▲562VERMEERSCH FlorianLotto Dstny340
4276▲34SHEFFIELD MagnusINEOS Grenadiers337
43205▲162HIRSCHI MarcUAE Team Emirates337
4488▲44POELS WoutBahrain - Victorious334
45249▲204POOLE MaxTeam dsm - firmenich331
4655▲9JOHANNESSEN Tobias HallandUno-X Pro Cycling Team330
4758▲11SCHMID MauroSoudal - Quick Step325
4878▲30BUCHMANN EmanuelBORA - hansgrohe321
4984▲35VINE JayUAE Team Emirates320
50720▲670GRÉGOIRE RomainGroupama - FDJ319

As others have said previously, it makes no sense to insist the PCS ranking it an accurate depiction of "quality", as it doesn't account for bad luck, crashes, illness, tactical team decisions, number of races riding GC, etc.

If you earnestly think Yates and Almeida are better stage racers than Pogacar, I think a lot of people will question your sanity ;)
 
As others have said previously, it makes no sense to insist the PCS ranking it an accurate depiction of "quality", as it doesn't account for bad luck, crashes, illness, tactical team decisions, number of races riding GC, etc.

If you earnestly think Yates and Almeida are better stage racers than Pogacar, I think a lot of people will question your sanity ;)
I don't insist the PCS ranking is accurate depiction of quality. I put it up for comparison purposes. It is a zero effort (on my part) list, based on results, backed by criteria applied equally to all riders over a defined time frame.