Geert Leinders

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There never was any doubt.

1. A pro team wants to know every medical detail of their assets (riders). Even benign you want to know their condition and want to know if they can run afoul of the passport.

This makes 100% certain that Leinders kept tabs on Rasmussen, Dekker and Mencov.

2. The decisions about Rasmussen were taken in concert with Rasmussen and the Management Team (coincidentally including Leinders). A judge explicitly acknowledged this and granted MR his salary and winners bonus.

We have a management team actively involved in whereabouts fraud and with at least one of them (Leinders) aware of doping practices.

3. Now if you run a pro-team on a doping regime, something which is without a doubt the case as the MR case already showed, you would try to control it. You don't want your riders to go rogue and endanger their health and run the risk of getting caught. Considering their relative lack of positives and their remarkable succes in GT's it indicates that the internal regime was safe and pretty good.

Leinders was both on the executive end (Management Team) as in possesion of all the rider data.

The conclusion is clear: Leinders must have been actively involved in the doping regimes at Rabo. The affidavit of LL is simply confirmation of what we should have known from the start.
 
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Leinders, the man behind Nys' success:
He was very important in my career. He used to write my training schedules and can give good psychologically analyze and motivate an athlete,” Nys told Het Nieuwsblad. “We still call each other occasionally."

“Geert knows me through and through. He is the man who counseled me not to stay still too long after a cyclocross season as I get older. These are small details that ensured that I won't make mistakes. So now he is in the news, and that surprises me so very much. "
http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/nys-leinders-is-a-very-honest-person
 
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Cloxxki said:
Well that's just great. I rode wheel to wheel with Nys on several occasion (lapped in each) and just could not understand how it was humanly possible to ride so hard. Gave me a false sense of inadequacy. Sure I was not super fit, and kinda lazy, but I was not imagining that something was off.

ha ! i bet thats what wiggins thought ridin next to Froome in the Tour.
 
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Dead Star said:
He didn't even make it on the t-shirt. Poor guy.

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Dr. Farrell is though :)

Sky have profiles on their site of all four of their current doctors under the Team section.
 
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Transparency

Wiggo Warrior said:
Dr. Farrell is though :)

Sky have profiles on their site of all four of their current doctors under the Team section.

Its unreal isnt it. And if the Lance investigation hadnt happened everything would have carried on like 2012...they must have been laughing all the way to the knighthood queue.

Welcome to the Wikileaks era Mr Brailsford.
 
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Cycle Chic said:
Its unreal isnt it. And if the Lance investigation hadnt happened everything would have carried on like 2012...they must have been laughing all the way to the knighthood queue.

Welcome to the Wikileaks era Mr Brailsford.

They had them on last year as well, at least from July onwards. Never saw a profile for Leinders though.
 
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http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/ot...s-interrogated-in-Belgian-doping-inquiry.html

Belgian investigation under way

“The investigation is secret so we can’t talk about what was said,” Maeschalck said. “My client does not want to be active in cycling and doesn’t have a licence for this season, but he wants to cooperate with the investigation.”

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Johan Bruyneel, the former US Postal directeur sportif currently living in London, will also serve as a witness at the inquiry. He is scheduled to give evidence on Tuesday.
 
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Why doesn't he want to be active in cycling? Bad experience at Sky?

Not sure what Bruyneel can say about Rabobank, the only connection is Leipheimer. Maybe he will provide general details on the logistics of a doping program?
 
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Ferminal said:
Why doesn't he want to be active in cycling? Bad experience at Sky?

Not sure what Bruyneel can say about Rabobank, the only connection is Leipheimer. Maybe he will provide general details on the logistics of a doping program?
Bruyneel rode for Rabobank in 1996, so he could shed some light on how the whole thing started.
 
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Don't be late Pedro said:
Who is going to give him a job after his recent press?

Viatcheslav Ekimov
Alexandre Vinokourov
Patrick Lefevere
Roberto Amadio
Giuseppe Saronni
Eusebio Unzue
Bjarne Riis
Jonathan Vaughters
 
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Ferminal said:
Viatcheslav Ekimov
Alexandre Vinokourov
Patrick Lefevere
Roberto Amadio
Giuseppe Saronni
Eusebio Unzue
Bjarne Riis
Jonathan Vaughters

British Cycling...............:rolleyes:
 
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Ferminal said:
Viatcheslav Ekimov
Alexandre Vinokourov
Patrick Lefevere
Roberto Amadio
Giuseppe Saronni
Eusebio Unzue
Bjarne Riis
Jonathan Vaughters



Benotti69 said:
British Cycling...............:rolleyes:


Nice way to spoil the point that Ferminal was trying to make.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
Nice way to spoil the point that Ferminal was trying to make.

Of the list Ferminal made all are (or were) involved in doping but none of them have rubbed others faces in their obvious winning by cheating like Bruyneel/Armstrong.
 
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Benotti69 said:
Of the list Ferminal made all are (or were) involved in doping but none of them have rubbed others faces in their obvious winning by cheating like Bruyneel/Armstrong.

The opening question, to which Ferminal replied with his list, was: who would give Leinders a job, now?

Sky? really?
Sometimes even taking a cheap shot requires a modicum of thought.
 

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Benotti69 said:
Of the list Ferminal made all are (or were) involved in doping but none of them have rubbed others faces in their obvious winning by cheating like Bruyneel/Armstrong.

Leinders does not seek employment from a team.

Private consulting of cyclists is much more lucrative.

I'd also say since the Rabo revelations have come out his "value" has risen substantially.

He'll be getting a lot more work now. None of his athletes have ever tested positive. That's worth good money.
 
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thehog said:
He'll be getting a lot more work now. None of his athletes have ever tested positive. That's worth good money.

I know you are trolling, but yeah, he seems to have a remarkable low "scandal" profile for someone who got 3-4 GT's winners under his wings. Especially now that the details are coming out and it seems he was involved with quite a few riders for a long period.

The MR scandal was mostly the screw up of de Rooij who couldn't hold his nerve. Had Theo just barricaded the Rabo-bus they would have won. Even legally there was a strong case to suggest Rasmussen should be allowed to ride, something which has been quite well argued by a danish lawyer*.

* not saying that this is uncontested, but there was certainly legal ground to fight a ban. It's for a reason MR got a relative easy win against Rabo in court.
 
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Also, I must say this is all very much criminally late.

The fact that after the MR case the Dutch and Belgian unions allowed these people to continue makes me wonder how corrupt cycling unions really are. If whereabouts fraud by a DS is okay... what do you need to do to get banned?

Not a squeak of the KNWU questioning the continuance of Breukink at Rabo after those stories got out in 2007. Unbelievable.
 
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Mellow Velo said:
The opening question, to which Ferminal replied with his list, was: who would give Leinders a job, now?

Sky? really?

Sometimes even taking a cheap shot requires a modicum of thought.

British Cycling is not Sky as I am sure they will point out if you care to ask ;)
 
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Franklin said:
Also, I must say this is all very much criminally late.

The fact that after the MR case the Dutch and Belgian unions allowed these people to continue makes me wonder how corrupt cycling unions really are. If whereabouts fraud by a DS is okay... what do you need to do to get banned?

Not a squeak of the KNWU questioning the continuance of Breukink at Rabo after those stories got out in 2007. Unbelievable.
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Cycling unions and sponsors all have butter on their heads, pretending they didn't/don't know how the clock ticks. Everybody knew/knows, it was/is simply being tolerated.