Geert Leinders

[Robert21]

British Cycling is not Sky as I am sure they will point out if you care to ask

But the links are very strong. For one Brian Cookson, the head of British Cycling, is also a member of the Operating Board of Team Sky...

 

[thehog]

I know you are trolling, but yeah, he seems to have a remarkable low "scandal" profile for someone who got 3-4 GT's winners under his wings. Especially now that the details are coming out and it seems he was involved with quite a few riders for a long period.

The MR scandal was mostly the screw up of de Rooij who couldn't hold his nerve. Had Theo just barricaded the Rabo-bus they would have won. Even legally there was a strong case to suggest Rasmussen should be allowed to ride, something which has been quite well argued by a danish lawyer*.

* not saying that this is uncontested, but there was certainly legal ground to fight a ban. It's for a reason MR got a relative easy win against Rabo in court.

Not trolling at all.

Ferrari and Fuentes followed the same path. Both were team Doctors then went into private consultancy.

Much more lucrative.

 

[Benotti69]

But the links are very strong. For one Brian Cookson, the head of British Cycling, is also a member of the Operating Board of Team Sky...

I dont see a difference. Sky is more or less the elite road outfit of TeamGB.

What is sad is that they, Sky, dont have a women's team since they have the men's team and spend millions on it. That they couldn't put a Sky women's team out in the sport is pathetic.

 

[Fortyninefourteen]

Not trolling at all.

Ferrari and Fuentes followed the same path. Both were team Doctors then went into private consultancy.

Much more lucrative.

I don't think many Dr.s out there would want to be associated directly with any cycling team at this point, whether is is for 'preparation' or just riders health. Only downside.

As far as 'private' practice....yes, for sure more money as long as their exposure to being 'outed' in an inquiry is minimal, and that they perform the services in a jurisdiction where the activity is either legal, or at least a grey area.

The respective boards that govern the practice of medicine in all of these countries also needs to grow a pair, and make sports doping into a transgression that costs them their license for a painful period of time.

 

[horsinabout]

The sport of professional cycling humm..it's one big scary movie, a horror film in fact. They sould call it Ground Hog Day the horror movie 2. Same script with different players. Here we go again. The start, all seems so nice and exciting, middle narritive and the big build up, enter critiques, charlatans and contrarians, never getting to the truth. Then the grand exit off to the Oscars and academy to receive awards and knighthoods. THE END not quite, you forgot the exposure and distraction whilst making the sequal.
Ground Hog Day the horror movie 3

 

[Franklin]

+1
Cycling unions and sponsors all have butter on their heads, pretending they didn't/don't know how the clock ticks. Everybody knew/knows, it was/is simply being tolerated.

When you look at simple Omerta and rumours I can almost understand the reluctance of acting decisively. But the MT of Rabo got more than rumours against them. The outcome of an internal inquiry got officially presented to the outside world and there was the lawsuit which was won by Rasmussen.

That went far beyond suspicions and allegations.

And yeah, it's beyond me why the medical profession allows this. There are ethic committees in the medical world for a good reason.

 

[Mellow Velo]

British Cycling is not Sky as I am sure they will point out if you care to ask

I am quite aware that BC isn't Sky. I am sure that's why you were so careful in your discrimination.
However, that made your comment seem even more ***.
So, I was doing you a favour.
Not a cat in hell's chance.

 

[Mellow Velo]

Not trolling at all.

Ferrari and Fuentes followed the same path. Both were team Doctors then went into private consultancy.

Much more lucrative.

Well, you most certainly were with your: "Never had a positive" tripe, knowing full well you had spent the past 2 days telling everyone how Leinders had personally injected Thomas Dekker with epo.

Spot on Mellow. Well done!

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

There are ethic committees in the medical world for a good reason.

They are just like judges a little too much buddy buddy with each other.

 

[thehog]

The sport of professional cycling humm..it's one big scary movie, a horror film in fact. They sould call it Ground Hog Day the horror movie 2. Same script with different players. Here we go again. The start, all seems so nice and exciting, middle narritive and the big build up, enter critiques, charlatans and contrarians, never getting to the truth. Then the grand exit off to the Oscars and academy to receive awards and knighthoods. THE END not quite, you forgot the exposure and distraction whilst making the sequal.
Ground Hog Day the horror movie 3

If today's UCIIC meeting is anything to go by cycling is corrupt as ever.

It's really hard to believe in any of it any more.

If rider/team say they're clean - take it with a grain of salt.

 

[xcleigh]

I dont see a difference. Sky is more or less the elite road outfit of TeamGB.

What is sad is that they, Sky, dont have a women's team since they have the men's team and spend millions on it. That they couldn't put a Sky women's team out in the sport is pathetic.

Maybe not help financially but behind the scenes it seems some at SKY are happy to help.

"Gilmore said she’d been helped in getting the team together by Team Sky mastermind David Brailsford as well as top coach Shane Sutton and Sky’s Fran Millar. With backing like that, she’s unsurprisingly ambitious."


http://totalwomenscycling.com/news/wiggle-honda-cycling-team-launches-in-london-871/#slide-1


Oh and Brad is also supporting this as well.

 

[del1962]

Good that Leinders is cooperating, should fully expose the levels of corruption within Dutch cycling, some sanctions should be be brought against the Dutch, fat chance with Verbruggens position at the UCI though.

 

[Benotti69]

Maybe not help financially but behind the scenes it seems some at SKY are happy to help.

"Gilmore said she’d been helped in getting the team together by Team Sky mastermind David Brailsford as well as top coach Shane Sutton and Sky’s Fran Millar. With backing like that, she’s unsurprisingly ambitious."


http://totalwomenscycling.com/news/wiggle-honda-cycling-team-launches-in-london-871/#slide-1

I would be surprised to find different considering how close Sky are with BC. Hard to see where one ends and the other starts sometimes. But it cant be that more expensive for Sky/BC to put a womens team out there for European races.

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Maybe not help financially but behind the scenes it seems some at SKY are happy to help.

"Gilmore said she’d been helped in getting the team together by Team Sky mastermind David Brailsford as well as top coach Shane Sutton and Sky’s Fran Millar. With backing like that, she’s unsurprisingly ambitious."


http://totalwomenscycling.com/news/wiggle-honda-cycling-team-launches-in-london-871/#slide-1

Just makes you wonder why now? The time would have been perfect to set up when they set up the men's team. They could even have just taken advantage of the Skyter pull-out to have picked up an entire existing team built around former World TT champion Amber Neben and Britain's own Nicole Cooke, then the reigning Olympic champion and having only just had to give up the rainbow stripes, for comparatively little money.

Now, they've finally heeded the call and put a bit back in to women's cycling, just as Britain's two best women's cyclists of the last five years give up - Emma Pooley's now riding part-time for Bigla in Switzerland, and Cooke has retired. Sure, they can look to build up around people like Armitstead and Trott, but they could have bought into almost instant success if they'd got the likes of Cooke and Pooley on board straight away. But they weren't interested. They were interested, however, in taking credit for Cooke's Olympic gold, as the Team Sky website showed at the very beginning, where they suggested she won gold because she wore a skinsuit, and this showed the benefits of Sky/Brailsford's marginal gains.

 

[xcleigh]

Just makes you wonder why now? The time would have been perfect to set up when they set up the men's team. They could even have just taken advantage of the Skyter pull-out to have picked up an entire existing team built around former World TT champion Amber Neben and Britain's own Nicole Cooke, then the reigning Olympic champion and having only just had to give up the rainbow stripes, for comparatively little money.

Now, they've finally heeded the call and put a bit back in to women's cycling, just as Britain's two best women's cyclists of the last five years give up - Emma Pooley's now riding part-time for Bigla in Switzerland, and Cooke has retired. Sure, they can look to build up around people like Armitstead and Trott, but they could have bought into almost instant success if they'd got the likes of Cooke and Pooley on board straight away. But they weren't interested. They were interested, however, in taking credit for Cooke's Olympic gold, as the Team Sky website showed at the very beginning, where they suggested she won gold because she wore a skinsuit, and this showed the benefits of Sky/Brailsford's marginal gains.

But surely as with anything, coulda, woulda, shoulda.

 

[pmcg76]

Not trolling at all.

Ferrari and Fuentes followed the same path. Both were team Doctors then went into private consultancy.

Much more lucrative.

No, Ferrari started working with individual rider's first e.g Moreno Argentin, then at Argentin's request he became one of the team doctor's at Ariostea along with Dr Cecchini. When Argentin moved onto Mecair in 93, so did Ferrari though he still looked after other riders like Giorgio Furlan.

Ferrari looked after one half of the Mecair team whilst another doctor Walter Polini looked after the other half. In the fall of 93, Polini made some serious accusation's against Ferrari on an Italian TV show but of course nothing happened except Polini was fired.

When Mecair became Gewiss, Ferrari was still team doctor until he made the controversial Orange Juice comment's whereby he was fired as the official team doctor but was allowed to keep his relationships with his rider's.

 

[sniper]

When you look at simple Omerta and rumours I can almost understand the reluctance of acting decisively. But the MT of Rabo got more than rumours against them. The outcome of an internal inquiry got officially presented to the outside world and there was the lawsuit which was won by Rasmussen.

That went far beyond suspicions and allegations.

And yeah, it's beyond me why the medical profession allows this. There are ethic committees in the medical world for a good reason.

youp van't hek on (the lack of) ethics among medics, and a subtle sneer at rabobank

Op de terugweg in de trein lezen ze allemaal de verklaring van de directie van de Rabobank dat ze daar al die jaren echt niks geweten hebben van het dopinggebruik van de wielrenners. Ook nooit iets vermoed? Echt niet? Echt niet! Anders hadden ze wel ingegrepen.

http://www.nrc.nl/youp/2013/01/26/oorsmeergate/

 

[JRanton]

Team Sky principal Dave Brailsford says that he would never have hired controversial doctor Geert Leinders if he knew the full extent of the Belgian's past, but also admitted that he has doubts over what effect a 'truth and reconciliation' process would have on cleaning up the sport.

Leinders was employed on an 80-day-a-year contract with Sky until last October after he was linked to alleged doping practices during his time with the Rabobank team.

Drawing parallels to Lance Armstrong's recent confession, Brailsford said of Leinders: "Hindsight is a brilliant thing, and what we've all learnt is pretty horrific. Had we known then what we know now [about Leinders], we wouldn't have touched the guy for sure.

"We went through what we thought was the right procedure - we interviewed the guy, we sat down with Steve (Peters, Sky's Psychiatrist) and it's well documented what we did. Had we have had hindsight we wouldn't have done it."

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...ng-the-truth-is-only-part-of-the-process.html


Brailsford doesn't want the truth to come out about cycling's past. I wonder why.

 

[pmcg76]

http://www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news...ng-the-truth-is-only-part-of-the-process.html


Brailsford doesn't want the truth to come out about cycling's past. I wonder why.

I still don't get how the former Rabo guy's at SKY were not part of the consultation process.

 

[JRanton]

I still don't get how the former Rabo guy's at SKY were not part of the consultation process.

Indeed.

These are the type of questions that journalists should be asking when Brailsford tells his little tale of how he and Sky couldn't possibly have known about Leinders' past.

You hire a doctor who has been a team doctor for 13 years during the notorious EPO era and you don't consult the former Rabo guys who worked with him? Yeah right!

They asked around about Leinders alright, don't you worry about that!

Brailsford should be sacked.

 

[JRanton]

It's worth pointing out that the ex Rabo's at Sky weren't exactly the only people that Brailsford could have asked about Leinders' past.

Leinders had left Rabo in 2009 so Brailsford could have picked up the phone to any number of the Rabo management team at the time (late 2010) and asked them about him.

 

[Mellow Velo]

It's worth pointing out that the ex Rabo's at Sky weren't exactly the only people that Brailsford could have asked about Leinders' past.

Leinders had left Rabo in 2009 so Brailsford could have picked up the phone to any number of the Rabo management team at the time (late 2010) and asked them about him.

Why on earth would the Rabo management spill the dirt on Leinders, considering they were probably involved and managing a cover up?
Surely, they wouldn't be forthcoming?

 

[martinvickers]

Why on earth would the Rabo management spill the dirt on Leinders, considering they were probably involved and managing a cover up?
Surely, they wouldn't be forthcoming?

Actuallt, would the ex rabo riders at sky be in exactly that bind? inform save about geert = admission of previous doping....

 

[JRanton]

Why on earth would the Rabo management spill the dirt on Leinders, considering they were probably involved and managing a cover up?
Surely, they wouldn't be forthcoming?

The Rabo management got rid of Leinders because of his involvement in doping. You don't think they could tell Brailsford confidentially in a private conversation that Leinders probably wasn't the right man for Sky if they really were committed to running a clean team?

Come on...

 

[JRanton]

Actuallt, would the ex rabo riders at sky be in exactly that bind? inform save about geert = admission of previous doping....

They wouldn't have to implicate themselves and it's not like Brailsford and Sky were worried about people with dodgy pasts anyway. Just look at who they hired!