Geert Leinders

[thehog]

Come on guys. He saves lives. Even when not at the Tour.

 

[Zam_Olyas]

No mention of saddle sores? Sky hired a doctor for saddle sores. No mention anywhere of saddle sores.

Yes, very dissapointing in that regard.


I gotta say today has been a good day for us bone idle ****ers clinicians.

 

[cineteq]

@TheRaceRadio
Interesting that Rabobank team doctor got EPO for Levi, wonder which one it was?

 

[JRanton]

Well, if you look closely at the statements that have emerged throughout the years, there are no statements suggesting Leinders himself devised any doping program for Rabobank's riders. In my opinion, the constructed picture is a bit different: The riders were more or less encouraged to seek out external specialists, hence the training freedom at Rabobank, but were obliged to work with Leinders to keep it all in check (health + testing negative). As an example, the case of Jans Koerts (rode with Rabo in 1997-98): He admitted EPO-use, but only implicated Leinders in the testing negative part. Leinders has supposedly provided him with saline (salt) tablets , normally used to hydrate the body. In this case it was probably used as a masking agent.

Combined with the other statements that have surfaced, it just seems like Leinders is a genius in keeping his riders healthy and clean; he's a sort of risk management doctor. There are basically no indications that he himself has any knowledge or experience in actually setting up a doping program. If his uses at Sky were doping related, they were probably related to health+testing, not the actual doping program itself.

If one wants to find the focal point of doping at Sky, one should look to others than Leinders.

Do you stand by this after reading the Leipheimer affidavit?

 

[sittingbison]

....unless Geert is a decoy for Ferrari or Sainz......

well done, you hit the nail on head

So why was Leinders dropped?...

its such a hoot that Leinders employment was terminated at TeamSKY the day before the USADA bombshell is released without a single word of explanation. This embarrassing episode will NEVER see the light of day in mainstream media, it will quietly drift away until its a case of "Dr Who"?

 

[Franklin]

@TheRaceRadio
Interesting that Rabobank team doctor got EPO for Levi, wonder which one it was?

UNBELIEVABLE.... It's amazing, that such a clean medical team is indeed involved in supplying doping. Nobody ever thought of that.

Feels good to be 100% right.

Now can we please stop the bull**** about Geert "Chamoiscream" Leinders?

 

[JRanton]

Brailsford has said that Leinders came ''highly recommended''. I wonder who recommended him to Sky? Flecha?

 

[Franklin]

So Geert was only just member of the management team, the riders just acted on their own accord?

Guess a rider there absolutely disagrees with this

If within the Rabobank team were people who knew everything, it was the management of the team.

They knew also what was used and by whom.

Oh my, seems I was being right again

 

[sniper]

You google a bit and you soon see how important Leinders was to the shaping of Rabo's training methods, plans, schedules, etc.

Van Kessel wil komend jaar met de beloftenselectie (amateurs tot 23jaar) elke drie weken een specifieke tijdrittraining doen. Maar dieontwikkeling mag niet stokken bij de profs. Van Kessel: ,,Rabobank zouiemand kunnen aanstellen die zich specifiek op dit onderdeel gaat richten.Met dokter Geert Leinders, die veel van training weet, moet er ietsstructureels opgezet worden.''

http://www.trouw.nl/tr/nl/4324/Nieu...167/2005/08/18/Talent-moet-hard-trainen.dhtml

And yesterday I posted an interview in here with Boogerd in which he explains how Leinders was the man behind his progression in the late 90s.

 

[sniper]

no doubt at all that Leinders was a downright pivotal figure at Rabo during at least a decade.
The man with the plan. Training plans, recovery, injuries, he was responsible for the whole package.

Erik Dekker (Rabobank) has been given permission to start training again by team doctor Geert Leinders. Dekker has been suffering from knee problems all year, after injuring it on New Year's Day. "The first part of the rehabilitation is complete," Leinders was quoted in Algemeen Dagblad. "Dekker can now train seriously again. If the pain stays away, then we can work further on his re-entry to the peloton."

http://autobus.cyclingnews.com/news.php?id=news/2003/jul03/jul23news

 

[MartinGT]

So coincidental that Sky get shut and less than 24h this sh!t hits the fan.

 

[Benotti69]

Let us see how Cycling News follow up Team Sky with some real questions about their transparency, why they hired Leinders when he wasn't at the TdF when the excuse was he was needed for riders health?

What do they know about Sean Yates past and his connections with Motoman and Armstrong?

Why did they not know about Mick Barry?

Why was Brailsford shocked about Armstrong, everyone in cycling knew?

Come on Benson get stuck into them otherwise we will have the same sh!t again in years to come.

 

[Bala Verde]

http://www.volkskrant.nl/vk/nl/2698...pheimer-kocht-epo-van-teamarts-Rabobank.dhtml

Leipheimer maakte tegenover de dopingjagers van Usada ook melding van een training in 2003 met Armstrong. 'Lance vroeg mij wie de training bij Rabobank deed. Ik vertelde het hem.' In het verslag zijn dan, op het oog, twee namen onleesbaar gemaakt.

During a 2003 training with LA, Lance asked bottle who did the training at RAB. Bottle told him; the report has censored those 2 names.

Toen zei Lance, wat gebeurt er op het andere vlak? Ik geloof dat we beide wel begrepen dat hij vroeg wie het dopingprogramma beheerde. Ik antwoordde: dezelfde.'

Then LA asked, "what about the other [traning aspect]? I think we both understood that he asked for the names of the people who were in charge of the doping program. I answered: "the same"

So who know who the top two trainers of RAB were in 2003?

I am guessing one of them was Geert (see my previous post http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=17976&page=10)

Another interesting link I just came across:
http://www.vn.nl/Standaard-Media-Pagina/Michael-Boogerd-de-bezetene.htm about the Boogerd/Leinders link

 

[Franklin]

The most amazing part is that people keep on calling mr. Leinders small fry.

Under his watch we have three, almost four GT wins. That's by any standard impressive. Now anyone with half a brain understands that that is only possible with a good program handled by one of the best doctors and with talented riders.

And still people are dismissing Leinders. Today's evidence should have blown a huge hole in anyone handwaving his standing as a doping doctor.

 

[thehog]

The most amazing part is that people keep on calling mr. Leinders small fry.

Under his watch we have three, almost four GT wins. That's by any standard impressive. Now anyone with half a brain understands that that is only possible with a good program handled by one of the best doctors and with talented riders.

And still people are dismissing Leinders. Today's evidence should have blown a huge hole in anyone handwaving his standing as a doping doctor.

That I agree with and the fact he’s never seen. Doesn’t appear at races and is obviously used for consultative purposes in training.

Remember when Dave Bruyneel said that he researched him and he came highly regarded? I think we know what he meant.

 

[Franklin]

Remember when Dave Bruyneel said that he researched him and he came highly regarded? I think we know what he meant.

It meant he is a wizz with Chamoiscream!

 

[sniper]

That I agree with and the fact he’s never seen. Doesn’t appear at races and is obviously used for consultative purposes in training.

Remember when Dave Bruyneel said that he researched him and he came highly regarded? I think we know what he meant.

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[thehog]

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[Cycle Chic]

Doctors and cycling

So thinking about how cycling could rid itself of this Doping culture.

Why do the Teams need Doctors ? Which other sports have their OWN Team Doctor on the payroll ??

Football, Rugby, Cricket ? do they have a Doctor specifically for their own team ?

If the Teams didnt have Doctors to assist with the doping then surely the doping wouldn't exist.

As Emma O'Reilly stated, these are doctors who have taken the oath and they are assisting in a practice that is illegal.

 

[Franklin]

Which other sports have their OWN Team Doctor on the payroll ??

Uhm which teams in big sports don't have a doctor?

 

[the sceptic]

So thinking about how cycling could rid itself of this Doping culture.

Why do the Teams need Doctors ? Which other sports have their OWN Team Doctor on the payroll ??

Football, Rugby, Cricket ? do they have a Doctor specifically for their own team ?

If the Teams didnt have Doctors to assist with the doping then surely the doping wouldn't exist.

As Emma O'Reilly stated, these are doctors who have taken the oath and they are assisting in a practice that is illegal.

Im glad they have doctors on the teams. If they tried to dope themselves without anyone supervising, that would be really dangerous.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Im glad they have doctors on the teams. If they tried to dope themselves without anyone supervising, that would be really dangerous.

The cost of going to a doctor is huge for a pro-rider so if he could do it himself he would. Its obviously not possible to do without a doctor so eliminate the doctor and eliminate the option.

 

[Cycle Chic]

Uhm which teams in big sports don't have a doctor?

So Manchester United pay a doctor to be with them full time ? I was asking the question if this happens ? I dont know.

 

[Franklin]

So Manchester United pay a doctor to be with them full time ? I was asking the question if this happens ? I dont know.

They have not just a doctor... they have a medical centre.

They also have several medical personel in coaching:

Richard hawkins

Rob Swire

And before you ask: yes, the players use several PED's. It's simply a sport with too much money and too many injuries to be clean, especially at that high a level.

 

[thehog]

Well, if you look closely at the statements that have emerged throughout the years, there are no statements suggesting Leinders himself devised any doping program for Rabobank's riders. In my opinion, the constructed picture is a bit different: The riders were more or less encouraged to seek out external specialists, hence the training freedom at Rabobank, but were obliged to work with Leinders to keep it all in check (health + testing negative). As an example, the case of Jans Koerts (rode with Rabo in 1997-98): He admitted EPO-use, but only implicated Leinders in the testing negative part. Leinders has supposedly provided him with saline (salt) tablets , normally used to hydrate the body. In this case it was probably used as a masking agent.

Combined with the other statements that have surfaced, it just seems like Leinders is a genius in keeping his riders healthy and clean; he's a sort of risk management doctor. There are basically no indications that he himself has any knowledge or experience in actually setting up a doping program. If his uses at Sky were doping related, they were probably related to health+testing, not the actual doping program itself.

If one wants to find the focal point of doping at Sky, one should look to others than Leinders.

I think can put this one to bed now. Lienders was head of all things doping at Rabobank.

There's not other viewpoint to this regard.