General News Thread

[Mayomaniac]

Sorry now I'm sad about that time we were debating whether to build a huge mountain from scratch which never happened because it was actually ludicrous

See, if you still had Indonesia you'd stil have mountain roads going up to above 2,000m...

 

[tobydawq]

See, if you still had Indonesia you'd stil have mountain roads going up to above 2,000m...

I like how this post makes it sound like it's Red Rick's personal fault that Indonesia are not under Dutch rule!

 

[Monte Serra]

See, if you still had Indonesia you'd stil have mountain roads going up to above 2,000m...

Just construct a nice road over the top of Mount Scenery, and suddenly you have the ingredients for a proper national championships fit for climbers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mount_Scenery?wprov=sfla1

 

[Sciatic]

See, if you still had Indonesia you'd stil have mountain roads going up to above 2,000m...

A portion of Switzerland was once part of the Burgundian Netherlands—perhaps they should have negotiated a cycling easement when they surrendered that land.

 

[Izzyeviel]

why don't the dutch just build a big hole and have a road going down it like a whirlpool? Just seems easier

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

why don't the dutch just build a big hole and have a road going down it like a whirlpool? Just seems easier

Dig a hole, and put the dirt you dug up next to the hole. Now you can start at the bottom of the hole and climb all the way up to the top of the pile you dug up.

 

[Izzyeviel]

Dig a hole, and put the dirt you dug up next to the hole. Now you can start at the bottom of the hole and climb all the way up to the top of the pile you dug up.

I know right. Instead of a boring regular 2,000m mountain climb, you can have a 4,000 me.

Quite frankly I'm suprised by my own genius hear.

 

[rallybanana]

Have the Dutch ever tried asking the Norwegians for a mountain?

Norway’s prime minister says it might give Finland a mountain - The Washington Post

 

[Mayomaniac]

I like how this post makes it sound like it's Red Rick's personal fault that Indonesia are not under Dutch rule!

Well, as far as I know he hasn't done anything about it...

 

[Unchained]

why don't the dutch just build a big hole and have a road going down it like a whirlpool?

It's a well-known fact that the Dutch are weird.

They also have that Heineken butter knife thing to chop off beer bubbles.. Can't be trusted.. mixing pot with tobacco? The Dutch are suspicious

 

[Extinction]

I didn't know where to post this without starting a new thread, which didn't seem proper, except here. In this CN article you will find the distances and winning average speeds of all the Paris-Roubaix races from 2018 back to the editio princeps in 1896. https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/paris-roubaix-2023/race-history/

I was quite struck, to say the least, with this ride in 1900, presumably on a fixed-gear bike that weighed 15 kg or so, with no technical support for flats/mechanicals and, in addition to the pave, the roads were unpaved throughout (or so I would imagine): Emile Bouhours (Fra) 268 km (37.352 km/h).

We are for all intents and purposes in the Stone Age of cycling, yet compare Bouhour's time with these slower ones: 1973 Eddy Merckx (Bel) 272 km (36.370 km/h); 1978 Francesco Moser (Ita) 263 km (36.494; km/h); or early EPO era 1994 Andreï Tchmil (Mda) 270 km (36.160 km/h). Even though a bit faster, we're still talking about 2001 compared to 1900: 2001 Servais Knaven (Ned) 254.5 km (39.19km/h).

Considering the differences in machines, road surfaces, team organization and support, or such other factors as weather conditions and wind direction/speeds (which I frankly don't know) over comparable distances; it's absolutely incredible that in 1900 Bouhours could put up a time faster than Tchmil in 1994. Back in those days, moreover, I imagine he would also have been out in front solo or with very little company for at least 150 km.

He must of been really freekin strong is all I have to say.

 

[Logic-is-your-friend]

I didn't know where to post this without starting a new thread, which didn't seem proper, except here. In this CN article you will find the distances and winning average speeds of all the Paris-Roubaix races from 2018 back to the editio princeps in 1896. https://www.cyclingnews.com/races/paris-roubaix-2023/race-history/

I was quite struck, to say the least, with this ride in 1900, presumably on a fixed-gear bike that weighed 15 kg or so, with no technical support for flats/mechanicals and, even if the pave were not yet introduced, on unpaved roads throughout nonetheless (or so I would imagine): Emile Bouhours (Fra) 268 km (37.352 km/h).

We are for all intents and purposes in the Stone Age of cycling, yet compare Bouhour's time with these slower ones: 1973 Eddy Merckx (Bel) 272 km (36.370 km/h); 1978 Francesco Moser (Ita) 263 km (36.494; km/h); or early EPO era 1994 Andreï Tchmil (Mda) 270 km (36.160 km/h). Even though a bit faster, we're still talking about 2001 compared to 1900: 2001 Servais Knaven (Ned) 254.5 km (39.19km/h).

Considering the differences in machines, road surfaces, team organization and support, or such other factors as weather conditions and wind direction/speeds (which I frankly don't know) over comparable distances; it's absolutely incredible that in 1900 Bouhours could put up a time faster than Tchmil in 1994. Back in those days, moreover, I imagine he would also have been out in front solo or with very little company for at least 150 km.

He must of been really freekin strong is all I have to say.

He didn't ride over the cobbles, he rode between them. Later they would rearrange the cobbles so that this was no longer possible.

Or possibly in 1900 they used GPS technology that is still being used in the Giro to this day.

But seriously, i'm going with inaccurate time/distance measurements. Or the guy took a train somewhere.

 

[Extinction]

He didn't ride over the cobbles, he rode between them. Later they would rearrange the cobbles so that this was no longer possible.

Or possibly in 1900 they used GPS technology that is still being used in the Giro to this day.

But seriously, i'm going with inaccurate time/distance measurements. Or the guy took a train somewhere.

We'll, officially at least, he rode the whole distance and again there were no asphalted roads, so even if he could have ridden between the cobbles, the general conditions must have been extremely arduous, And these true pioneers of the sport rode on machines like this and in such aero positions, handlebar baffi with it!

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:1896Josef_Fischer.jps

PS. Wikipedia, at least, confirms his time:

https://it.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parigi-Roubaix_1900

 

[christopherrowe]

Saw this on the Twitter feed of Team Medellín:

Lamentamos el fallecimiento del joven ciclista Jerónimo Jaramillo, integrante del equipo Itaca - Cobelén, quien sufrió un accidente ayer en el desarrollo de la etapa 2 de la Clásica de Rionegro. Enviamos un saludo sincero a sus familiares y amigos

https://twitter.com/x/status/1628739301843296256

View: https://twitter.com/team_medellin/status/1628739301843296256

 

[Izzyeviel]

That's sad news. Appears he crashed into an ambulance near the finish. Just a kid.

 

[search]

There are some cautiously optimistic words in media that the "Tour of Austria" (under this new name instead of Österreichrundfahrt) will really take place this July. The Austrian continental teams have joint forces to get it organized again after all the chaos of the past years.

It's not (or even far from?) fully financed yet, as far as I understood, but I guess it's the last chance. The designated route looks like this:

• E1: Vorarlberg (Dornbirn – Dornbirn)
• E2: Tirol (St. Anton – Innsbruck)
• E3: Osttirol – Salzburg (Sillian – St. Johann/Alpendorf)
• E4: Salzburg – Oberösterreich (St. Johann/Alpendorf – Steyr)
• E5: Niederösterreich (Ybbs an der Donau – Sonntagberg)

Until 2027, they want to extend the race to nine stages to visit all nine states of Austria.

 

[Mayomaniac]

There are some cautiously optimistic words in media that the "Tour of Austria" (under this new name instead of Österreichrundfahrt) will really take place this July. The Austrian continental teams have joint forces to get it organized again after all the chaos of the past years.

It's not (or even far from?) fully financed yet, as far as I understood, but I guess it's the last chance. The designated route looks like this:

• E1: Vorarlberg (Dornbirn – Dornbirn)
• E2: Tirol (St. Anton – Innsbruck)
• E3: Osttirol – Salzburg (Sillian – St. Johann/Alpendorf)
• E4: Salzburg – Oberösterreich (St. Johann/Alpendorf – Steyr)
• E5: Niederösterreich (Ybbs an der Donau – Sonntagberg)

Until 2027, they want to extend the race to nine stages to visit all nine states of Austria.

So the St. Johann/Apendorf stage is probably the classic one over the Großglockner.
A Dornbirn circuit has the potential to be crazy with a Bödele + Lorenapass loop.
Curious to see what they do with St. Anton - Innsbruck, since it's rather short and you can put multiple shorter climbs in it, one could even go over the Kühtai Sattel or even better, Silzer Sattel + Kühtai before a short hill near Innsbruck.

 

[search]

Curious to see what they do with St. Anton - Innsbruck, since it's rather short and you can put multiple shorter climbs in it, one could even go over the Kühtai Sattel or even better, Silzer Sattel + Kühtai before a short hill near Innsbruck.

the so called "stage concept" mentions "shorter stages", "finishing circuits" and "well known routes, including passages of Bundesligarennen and Radmarathons". So maybe that gives an indication?

There's also talk of a "prologue inside the Igler Eiskanal", but I don't think that's an idea for this year.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

There's also talk of a "prologue inside the Igler Eiskanal", but I don't think that's an idea for this year.

I take it that is a bobsleigh track? Downhill ITT with steeply banked sides and sharp turns: I think I am more scared at the prospect than excited.

 

[RedheadDane]

I take it that is a bobsleigh track? Downhill ITT with steeply banked sides and sharp turns: I think I am more scared at the prospect than excited.

I suppose they could make it uphill...

 

[search]

I take it that is a bobsleigh track? Downhill ITT with steeply banked sides and sharp turns: I think I am more scared at the prospect than excited.

the "Bobbahnsprint" in Igls already exists as an annual race. It looks less spectacular than it sounds

1,145 km in 55 Sekunden dank Zeitraffer. Aber den braucht es beim eigentlichen Radrennen nicht mehr. Der Bobbahnsprint im Igler Eiskanal wird jährlich vom ARBÖ RTC Inntal durchgeführt. ☝ HINWEIS: außerhalb des Radrennens ist das Betreten und Befahre

1,145 km in 55 Sekunden dank Zeitraffer. Aber den braucht es beim eigentlichen Radrennen nicht mehr. Der Bobbahnsprint im Igler Eiskanal wird jährlich vom ARBÖ RTC Inntal durchgeführt. ☝ HINWEIS:...

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[RedheadDane]

the "Bobbahnsprint" in Igls already exists as an annual race. It looks less spectacular than it sounds

1,145 km in 55 Sekunden dank Zeitraffer. Aber den braucht es beim eigentlichen Radrennen nicht mehr. Der Bobbahnsprint im Igler Eiskanal wird jährlich vom ARBÖ RTC Inntal durchgeführt. ☝ HINWEIS: außerhalb des Radrennens ist das Betreten und Befahre

1,145 km in 55 Sekunden dank Zeitraffer. Aber den braucht es beim eigentlichen Radrennen nicht mehr. Der Bobbahnsprint im Igler Eiskanal wird jährlich vom ARBÖ RTC Inntal durchgeführt. ☝ HINWEIS:...

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Looks like the taller riders might need to mind their heads. Though, it's possible it's a race where teams would favour climbers anyway, so no really tall riders.

 

[Mayomaniac]

the so called "stage concept" mentions "shorter stages", "finishing circuits" and "well known routes, including passages of Bundesligarennen and Radmarathons". So maybe that gives an indication?

There's also talk of a "prologue inside the Igler Eiskanal", but I don't think that's an idea for this year.

One could also just make a prologue up the Bergisl to the ski jumping stadium. That would be a more realistic option.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

One could also just make a prologue up the Bergisl to the ski jumping stadium. That would be a more realistic option.

Or, how steep is the jump ramp? They could lay some surface over the top of it that would be grippier than the snow, I'm not totally cruel.

 

[search]

Or, how steep is the jump ramp? They could lay some surface over the top of it that would be grippier than the snow, I'm not totally cruel.

both the ramp as well as the hill around 35° - so ~70%. Sounds still fairly cruel.