Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

Wasn't it a double ascention of Grappa?

Instead of the first climb in the profile? I'd like that much better. If they want racing from ~80km out they better make it less unlikely.

 

[Ataraxus]

Seriously, this is a superb route before the last 4 stages but then they completely f**** it up
Make the piancavallo stage as stage 18, the grappa stage as stage 19 and then fedaia-Pordoi on stage 20. that would make it one of the best gt routes of the last decade.

If they use Salto della Capra side as the penultimate climb of the day, the Grappa stage will definitely be a worthy penultimate stage of the Giro.

http://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/hd/81035
^ Is this the likely profile? If so, it could have been much better, IMO. The 2 hardest stages in this year's edition were much better designed than the Bormio and Grappa stages, IMO, but to each his own.

If that is the final profile, then the only problem I have is the 15 km of flat from Romano D'ezzellino to Valstagna (and the consequent 60 km distance from the top of Monte Grappa to the stage finish). If they, however, opt for the route Bassano del grappa-Tortima-Asiago it could result in a very descent mountain stage inspiring attacks from far away.
Mont Cesen has a middle section of 5km at 10% and it could very well serve as a leg softener.
Grappa from Fietta (salto di Capra side) speaks for itself. If selection doesn't happen there, it won't happen anywhere.

 

[staubsauger]

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True, but I think they've rarely finished on beasts like those on stages 4 and 9. Now Etna I can see ridden passively with only a few KM of action, but this beast is not just a HC climb. If you're gonna do this, I'd prefer it in one of those rare Giro's that doesn't have the 3rd week in the North.

These might be the cols where Astana sends Lopez up the road to gain some time like they did with Landa 2 years ago. If he suceeds he could be their first general classification rider after the time trial and once Aru fails again potentially end up pretty in pink.

There are realistic scenarios where this stages can be crucial retrospective!

 

[Red Rick]

Seriously, this is a superb route before the last 4 stages but then they completely f**** it up
Make the piancavallo stage as stage 18, the grappa stage as stage 19 and then fedaia-Pordoi on stage 20. that would make it one of the best gt routes of the last decade.

If they use Salto della Capra side as the penultimate climb of the day, the Grappa stage will definitely be a worthy penultimate stage of the Giro.

http://www.la-flamme-rouge.eu/maps/viewtrack/hd/81035
^ Is this the likely profile? If so, it could have been much better, IMO. The 2 hardest stages in this year's edition were much better designed than the Bormio and Grappa stages, IMO, but to each his own.

If that is the final profile, then the only problem I have is the 15 km of flat from Romano D'ezzellino to Valstagna (and the consequent 60 km distance from the top of Monte Grappa to the stage finish). If they, however, opt for the route Bassano del grappa-Tortima-Asiago it could result in a very descent mountain stage inspiring attacks from far away.
Mont Cesen has a middle section of 5km at 10% and it could very well serve as a leg softener.
Grappa from Fietta (salto di Capra side) speaks for itself. If selection doesn't happen there, it won't happen anywhere.

I love the stage. If you have to make up more than a minute on the last day, you have to go at 75km from the finish line. For the rest it's not too ridiculous. I like the first climb, as well as the cheeky Muro before it.

 

[May0maniac]

Apparently the Piancavallo stage will start in my hometown San Candido/Innichen, so there was I reason why I saw those cars with a Giro d'italia paintjob that were parked right in front of our town hall.
Source:
http://messaggeroveneto.gelocal.it/...ssegnare-la-maglia-rosa-numero-100-1.14291148

 

[Brullnux]

Is there any possibility that Stage 17 is actually the stage to Ortisei which passes by Giau-Fedaia-Sella then down to Ortisei? Then stage 18 is the hilly/flat stage?

Or even that Stage 18 does a classic dolomitic loop after the flatter stage?

Edit: Like this

 

[Nirvana]

Looking at italian forums seems that the final week is changed another time.
Yesterday they said that tuesday could be Presolana, Vivione, Aprica, Trivigno, Mortirolo, Gavia. So no Stelvio? Or Stelvio will be the day after as some newspapers said a couple of week ago?
And today they said that thursday could be Tre Cime MTF.

 

[mikii4567]

I think it was said Gavia is unusuable due to landslides, so I would discount that (unless they decided it was usuable in the end). And yes, the above article claims Tre Cime on Thursday...
WHAT IS GOING ON??
Eshnar?

Edit; the newspaper claims
18: ??? - Tre Cime
19: San Candido - Aviano ( ! Piancavallo?)
20: Pordenone - Asiago

 

[Nirvana]

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I think it was said Gavia is unusuable due to landslides, so I would discount that (unless they decided it was usuable in the end). And yes, the above article claims Tre Cime on Thursday...

Someone questioned about that but they said that the landslide risk on Gavia is C so the street is actually open and could be used.

This is the monitoring page but i don't understand anything :redface:
http://cmg.arpalombardia.it/webcmgfrontend/dissesto.asp?def=4

 

[mikii4567]

Then I'm assuming

Presolana, Vivione, Aprica, Trivigno, Mortirolo, Gavia.

is Vegni sticking to his 100% Italy concept for Il Centesimo.

 

[Red Rick]

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Then I'm assuming

Presolana, Vivione, Aprica, Trivigno, Mortirolo, Gavia.

is Vegni sticking to his 100% Italy concept for Il Centesimo.

That's like 4 proper HC climbs. Can't believe that's real.

 

[mikii4567]

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That's like 4 proper HC climbs. Can't believe that's real.

To be fair, I don't mind:

In fact, I would prefer this to Mortirolo from Monno - Umbrail - Stelvio, simply because it has more elev. gain (6700m) and is simply harder. TBH, I would also prefer the 100th Giro to be 100% Italy.

 

[Gigs_98]

Dafuq is going on? Tre Cime is in again? No mtf in Piancavallo but a finish in Aviano? No Stelvio but instead the Gavia? Isn't the presentation already in a few days.

 

[mikii4567]

Tuesday, 5pm (I'm assuming CET), on giroditalia.it.

 

[Red Rick]

Re: Re:

That's like 4 proper HC climbs. Can't believe that's real.

To be fair, I don't mind:

In fact, I would prefer this to Mortirolo from Monno - Umbrail - Stelvio, simply because it has more elev. gain (6700m) and is simply harder. TBH, I would also prefer the 100th Giro to be 100% Italy.

Ok. First 4 climbs are all easy sides. Now it makes sense. Looks like a huge stage. Mortirolo+Gavia so much better than Mortirolo-Stelvio. As long as Mortirolo is ridden this should be epic. Make it 100km of ITTs.

 

[Nirvana]

Dafuq is going on? Tre Cime is in again? No mtf in Piancavallo but a finish in Aviano? No Stelvio but instead the Gavia? Isn't the presentation already in a few days.

The article said "sopra Aviano" for friday stage finish, i think it means Piancavallo, you could translate in "the finish will be [on the mountain] above Aviano".

 

[Eshnar]

Yeah I knew that spending a weekend in London just 3 days before the presentation would have been risky

- The Bormio stage should really have the Stelvio as rumoured. The Mortirolo - Gavia was just a proposal by some guy on an Italian forum, with no sources whatsoever. If he nailed it, good for him, but I find it very unlikely.

- An article today claimed the Piancavallo stage would start in S.Candido, but it just does not know much about the stages before. It tells about Tre Cime, but it's more of a guess based on the location of S.Candido. What it does seem like, it's that something is going on with the Dolomites stage and at this point I wouldn't rule any hypothesis out.

- The finish is MTF on Piancavallo. 100%.

 

[mikii4567]

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Yeah I knew that spending a weekend in London just 3 days before the presentation would have been risky

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now I've just realised; the most direct route from Ortisei to San Candido is 94km. A transfer of this nature would be unlikely, wouldn't it? Especially between two mountain stages? So this means that either of the two is incorrect. Given that it is 99% likely stage 19 will start in San Candido (thanks to Mayomaniac and his info about Giro cars), I'm don't see Ortisei as very likely. Tre Cime seems more probable. But then again, we have no real evidence for that climb... (except the 'article of the day')

 

[Eshnar]

Re: Re:

Yeah I knew that spending a weekend in London just 3 days before the presentation would have been risky

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now I've just realised; the most direct route from Ortisei to San Candido is 94km. A transfer of this nature would be unlikely, wouldn't it? Especially between two mountain stages? So this means that either of the two is incorrect. Given that it is 99% likely stage 19 will start in San Candido (thanks to Mayomaniac and his info about Giro cars), I'm don't see Ortisei as very likely. Tre Cime seems more probable. But then again, we have no real evidence for that climb... (except the 'article of the day')

a transfer of 94 km is totally normal. However, if the finish was in Ortisei it would make much more sense to host the start of the following stage in the same valley as initially rumoured, since they usually pay for both.

 

[mikii4567]

Re: Re:

Yeah I knew that spending a weekend in London just 3 days before the presentation would have been risky

:lol: :lol: :lol:

Now I've just realised; the most direct route from Ortisei to San Candido is 94km. A transfer of this nature would be unlikely, wouldn't it? Especially between two mountain stages? So this means that either of the two is incorrect. Given that it is 99% likely stage 19 will start in San Candido (thanks to Mayomaniac and his info about Giro cars), I'm don't see Ortisei as very likely. Tre Cime seems more probable. But then again, we have no real evidence for that climb... (except the 'article of the day')

a transfer of 94 km is totally normal. However, if the finish was in Ortisei it would make much more sense to host the start of the following stage in the same valley as initially rumoured, since they usually pay for both.

Right, I see. Thanks for the explanation.

 

[MatParker117]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/giro-ditalia-2017-route-details-emerge-before-official-presentation/

The Blockhaus climb in central Apennines is likely to host the first mountain finish of the race before the important mid-race time trial will be in Umbria, through the Sagrantino vineyards. A double assault of the Stelvio is expected in the final week, with another finish in Oropa where Marco Pantani won in 1999, before heading to the Dolomites for the finale.

Despite rumours that Rome or even Venice may host the final stage, it is almost certain that the winner of the Giro d'Italia in 2017 will be crowned in Milan's Piazza Duomo with a short final time trial stage, as in 2012 when Ryder Hesjedal became the first Canadian winner. Milan is the traditional location for the finish and the home to La Gazzetta dello Sport and organiser RCS Sport.

Sounds good

 

[El Pistolero]

A shame they most likely won't finish in Rome. Milan is a city with nothing to offer besides the Duomo and fashion.

The 100th Giro should end in Rome, on a route that uses the old Roman roads (think of the extinct Roma Maxima semi-classic), to make for an exciting final stage. It's time to break traditions and have the last stage of a GT be raced for real. The finish-line should be in front of the Colloseum.

The winner should be crowned with a Radiant Crown, made from actual gold (and if that's too expensive, a layer of gold will do just fine). It looks something like depicted on this coin:

 

[railxmig]

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A shame they most likely won't finish in Rome. Milan is a city with nothing to offer besides the Duomo and fashion.

The 100th Giro should end in Rome, on a route that uses the old Roman roads (think of the extinct Roma Maxima semi-classic), to make for an exciting final stage. It's time to break traditions and have the last stage of a GT be raced for real. The finish-line should be in front of the Colloseum.

The winner should be crowned with a Radiant Crown, made from actual gold (and if that's too expensive, a layer of gold will do just fine). It looks something like depicted on this coin:

Milan may not have much of the remaining history (it has tons of it but not many of them are today) but it has history with Giro. Milan is basically the birthplace of Giro and the place, where it all started in 1909. That's why normally Giro ends in Milan - it's the Paris and Madrid of cycling in Italy. I hope i passed my history lesson.

 

[Eshnar]

The giro according to La Stampa
https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=679145988927169&set=a.411340635707707.1073741831.100004953219185&type=3&theater

 

[Brullnux]

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A shame they most likely won't finish in Rome. Milan is a city with nothing to offer besides the Duomo and fashion.

The 100th Giro should end in Rome, on a route that uses the old Roman roads (think of the extinct Roma Maxima semi-classic), to make for an exciting final stage. It's time to break traditions and have the last stage of a GT be raced for real. The finish-line should be in front of the Colloseum.

The winner should be crowned with a Radiant Crown, made from actual gold (and if that's too expensive, a layer of gold will do just fine). It looks something like depicted on this coin:

Rome offers nothing in terms of Giro history. Milan is the home of the Gazzetta, and where the first Giro both started and ended. It is the spiritual home of the race. Rome is beautiful sure but is not important in commemorating the race.