Giro d'Italia 2017 rumours - Il Centesimo

[Eshnar]

From the profile looks like the Etna won't be climbed from the road of 2011, but from another road (still from Nicolosi). It's slightly shorter and steeper.

http://www.salite.ch/etna1.asp?Mappa=

 

[18-Valve. (pithy)]

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From the profile looks like the Etna won't be climbed from the road of 2011, but from another road (still from Nicolosi). It's slightly shorter and steeper.

http://www.salite.ch/etna1.asp?Mappa=

The profiles don't match, though. No steep ramps in the former newspaper(?) profile, yet the Salite.ch one has a km at 13% at around 2 kms to go.

 

[Eshnar]

hard to tell. The length shown in the newspaper doesn't match with the 2011 version anyway. Also, Salite's profile aren't always very reliable

 

[staubsauger]

Cyclingcols apparently got all profiles of the Etna:

http://cyclingcols.com/col/Citelli
http://cyclingcols.com/col/Sapienza

Cyclingcols tends to make the cols look a bit easier though. At least that's what I experienced regarding South Tyrol / the Dolomites or the Vosges compared to quaeldich!

 

[SafeBet]

There are actually three ways from Nicolosi to Sapienza.

The one on the left is the 2011 climb.

I think the one Eshnar linked would start from Pedara and then join the grey way on the right. I don't think they will use that road, because it would be much longer than 17,5 km from Nicolosi and there would be some flat all the way to Pedara (which does not appear on the profile). Note that the road from Pedara is in bad conditions (I was there a month ago) hence it would need to be resurfaced up to the point where it joins the blue way.

The blue way in the middle looks to be the one they'll use. It sort of matches the profile in length and percentage.

 

[Gigs_98]

Thanks to Mauro Facoltosi

Me gusta.
I think it's great to have a HC mtf already on the 4th stage. Thats something very unusual but I think it's good if there are some time gaps early on. And there will be the Blockhaus in the same week. Me gusta mucho.

 

[Eshnar]

Safebet is correct I'd say.

 

[GuyIncognito]

It's up on the Giro's website. The link works

 

[Eshnar]

http://www.cicloweb.it/2016/10/24/in-anteprima-le-altimetrie-di-tutte-le-tappe-del-giro-ditalia-2017/

 

[Gigs_98]

Meh

Edit:
And WTF is this? Be ashamed whoever is responsible for this:

 

[TromleTromle]

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http://www.cicloweb.it/2016/10/24/in-anteprima-le-altimetrie-di-tutte-le-tappe-del-giro-ditalia-2017/

As expected - no surprises
stage 11 is classy!
a bit meh with stages 12-14

And with both Etna & Lanciano - two HC is its one right, early on - week 3 is well balanced in hardness.

A solid 8/10!

 

[Netserk]

So it's the easiest Mortirolo, no Contador sector?

Edit: And why no descent finish and Fedaia for Ortisei?!

 

[Eshnar]

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As expected - no surprises

actually plenty of surprises.
Peschici has no sterrato
Blockhaus only up to Majelletta
Oropa...
Bergamo...
Easy Mortirolo and Stelvio before Umbrail
Ortisei weird af
Grappa from Caupo. The worst possible side.

Nope. I don't think it's a terrible route, but Gigs's meh nails it.

 

[Gigs_98]

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So it's the easiest Mortirolo, no Contador sector?

And even more important, someone had the idea to put the Stelvio before the Umbral.

 

[OlavEH]

The first half looks good. The second half is a bit more disappointing. The Bormio stage looks good. I miss a long medium mountain stage somewhere between on stage 12-15 and a real monster stage as one of the last three mountain stages. A 7/10 from me.

 

[Eshnar]

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So it's the easiest Mortirolo, no Contador sector?

And even more important, someone had the idea to put the Stelvio before the Umbral.

Well, Libertine wanted so.

 

[TromleTromle]

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As expected - no surprises

actually plenty of surprises.
Peschici has no sterrato
Blockhaus only up to Majelletta
Oropa...
Bergamo...
Easy Mortirolo and Stelvio before Umbrail
Ortisei weird af
Grappa from Caupo. The worst possible side.

Nope. I don't think it's a terrible route, but Gigs's meh nails it.

Well - I kept expectations low :lol:
I would have been surprised if 80% of you mentioned were in

But overall impression is good, very varied and MUCH more balanced than le Tour.

Place the money on Kruiswijk for this one!

 

[Red Rick]

I am blown away by that route.


In terms of how *** it is

 

[Ashhutch97]

Meh

Edit:
And WTF is this? Be ashamed whoever is responsible for this:

I really hope this is not true, if we dont get a Stelvio from prato for the 100th edition of the Giro im literally going to give up with this route.

 

[Gigs_98]

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So it's the easiest Mortirolo, no Contador sector?

And even more important, someone had the idea to put the Stelvio before the Umbral.

Well, Libertine wanted so.

What? When? Why?

 

[mikii4567]

First of all, well done RCS messing up your own presentation.

Secondly, **** you RCS. This is a really bad parcours for the 100th Giro.
Positives:
+No backloading, thanks to stage 4, which is probably one of the better stages.
+Interesting stage 11. Some nice climbs. Could've been longer, though.
+Final stage, they'll lap Monza . And, cycling-wise, it's an ITT, that keeps the competition open.
Negatives:
-Bad stages in Sardinia (but we knew that already)
-No sterrato to Peschici. Nothing will happen given Blockhaus and the distance from the two climbs to the finish.
-Stage to Blockhaus. They're proved how you can mess up a good climb. Short stages are bad, unipuertos are bad. Combining them is even worse.
-39km ITT is a joke.
-Oropa... well, I'm lost for words.
-Bergamo... even worse...
-Bormio stage... they'll descend the hard side. Why even bother?
-Dolomite stage... kill me now, please. 137km? I was expecting a much better stage.
-Piancavallo stage... shocking.
-Asiago stage... WTF did they do to Grappa?

2/10

 

[Eshnar]

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I might actually prefer Stelvio from Bormio then Umbrailpass from Val Müstair, simply as I can't see anything but Stelvio being the Cima Coppi, so having the Cima Coppi NOT be the final climb of the day but in fact 80km out but with the scary Swiss side of Umbrailpass to come it could make for a hell of a stage. I think if they do do the stage as shown, they might do the little ramp around the town loop that they did in 2004 after Gavia but before the Bormio 2000 climb as well, just to have a final chance for a small group to duke it out if they come together on the descent again (it's between around km 100 and 110 on this profile - either direction).

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[Gigs_98]

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I might actually prefer Stelvio from Bormio then Umbrailpass from Val Müstair, simply as I can't see anything but Stelvio being the Cima Coppi, so having the Cima Coppi NOT be the final climb of the day but in fact 80km out but with the scary Swiss side of Umbrailpass to come it could make for a hell of a stage. I think if they do do the stage as shown, they might do the little ramp around the town loop that they did in 2004 after Gavia but before the Bormio 2000 climb as well, just to have a final chance for a small group to duke it out if they come together on the descent again (it's between around km 100 and 110 on this profile - either direction).

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What Libertine wrote indeed makes sense, but c'mon I want to see the god damn northern side of the Stelvio. What was the last time they climbed that side? 2005? I was seven years old back then

 

[mikii4567]

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I might actually prefer Stelvio from Bormio then Umbrailpass from Val Müstair, simply as I can't see anything but Stelvio being the Cima Coppi, so having the Cima Coppi NOT be the final climb of the day but in fact 80km out but with the scary Swiss side of Umbrailpass to come it could make for a hell of a stage. I think if they do do the stage as shown, they might do the little ramp around the town loop that they did in 2004 after Gavia but before the Bormio 2000 climb as well, just to have a final chance for a small group to duke it out if they come together on the descent again (it's between around km 100 and 110 on this profile - either direction).

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What Libertine wrote indeed makes sense, but c'mon I want to see the god damn northern side of the Stelvio. What was the last time they climbed that side? 2005? I was seven years old back then

If it helps you, I was 5

 

[Ashhutch97]

The Giro messed up the route of the centenary in 2009, they have been given a second chance and it looks like they are going to mess it up again!