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Giro d'Italia 2017 STAGE 20: Pordenone – Asiago 190 km

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spalco said:
Nibali '39
Pinot '43
Dumo '53
Zaka 1'15
Pozzo 1'30

Change the gradient for the ITT. Drop 12km from the distance.

Consider the time gaps between everyone on stage 10.

Dumoulin is light years ahead at stage 10, fatigued big time right now. But will likely, still win the stage tomorrow. He put 2:53 into Quintana on that stage.

Nibali put 46 seconds into Quintana first time trial.

Zakarin put 34 seconds into Quintana.

Pinot put only 11 seconds into Quintana.

Pozzovio was 14 seconds slower than Nairo.

Nairo is wearing the maglia rosa with the biggest time gap between all these riders, him and Nibali.

Dumoulin does go onto his favoured terrain and event. But that fatigue, should see him drop some of that phenomenal.

I don't see the race for the maglia rosa being anyone but Quintana and Dumoulin. Nibali could catch Nairo, but if he catches Nairo, then how does he hold off Dumoulin?

If Tom puts 2 mins into Nairo, it's all over for everyone.

But it's not clear he can do that. He 'might' but probably won't...he lost time 3 stages in a row.

This might end up being as close as the 2007 Tour was, with 3 riders within 30 seconds of each other. Or maybe as close as the 89 Tour.

See tomorrow...
 
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jaylew said:
Irondan said:
jaylew said:
RattaKuningas said:
Anyone knows where the worlds best climber Landa was who could've easily won without losing time in first week?
Oh, come on. You mean the guy who's been in a ton of breaks, including going solo yesterday? :rolleyes: No way to know where he'd be in the GC mix if not for the crash but that's just a ridiculous comment.
Again with the Landa is the greatest rhetoric? Enough already... jeez... :rolleyes:
Beautiful strawman. Have you ever seen me post anything like that? I'm fairly ambivalent towards Landa but to make a comment about Landa's performance today after the breaks he's been in recently, particularly yesterday, is just trolling and just as bad as the "Landa would have won" posts.
I was hoping you realized that I was also replying to rattakuningas. I apologize for any confusion, I wasn't accusing you of making "Landa would have won" posts. That's why I bolded the comment that you quoted.

My bad.
 
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Galic Ho said:
spalco said:
Nibali '39
Pinot '43
Dumo '53
Zaka 1'15
Pozzo 1'30

Change the gradient for the ITT. Drop 12km from the distance.

Consider the time gaps between everyone on stage 10.

Dumoulin is light years ahead at stage 10, fatigued big time right now. But will likely, still win the stage tomorrow. He put 2:53 into Quintana on that stage.

Nibali put 46 seconds into Quintana first time trial.

Zakarin put 34 seconds into Quintana.

Pinot put only 11 seconds into Quintana.

Pozzovio was 14 seconds slower than Nairo.

Nairo is wearing the maglia rosa with the biggest time gap between all these riders, him and Nibali.

Dumoulin does go onto his favoured terrain and event. But that fatigue, should see him drop some of that phenomenal.

I don't see the race for the maglia rosa being anyone but Quintana and Dumoulin. Nibali could catch Nairo, but if he catches Nairo, then how does he hold off Dumoulin?

This might end up being as close as the 2007 Tour was, with 3 riders within 30 seconds of each other. Or maybe as close as the 89 Tour.
I think its between Nibali and Dumoulin. Nibali will probably get a bit of assistance along the way, and it's a fast, fairly technical course in places. He could do very, very well I think.
 
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deValtos said:
No one else seemed to care about the motorbikes today? I thought it was pretty bad in front of the Quintana/Nibali group.

It was unfair but actually a bit more restrained than I was expecting with Nibali riding for a chance to win the 100th Giro. I wouldn't have been surprised if they had used an actual tow rope.

Just wait to see Nibali's TT tomorrow...
 
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Climbing said:
Yes Tom has a huge debt to Jungels and Mollema.
Too bad they didn't really work together in front, can't understand certain riders...

From a GC perception Mollema had nothing to lose and a tiny bit to win. He has an outside shot to catch Pozzovivo in the ITT. Besides, He'd be crucified by the Dutch media and (and Dutch people) if he'd sat up.

With regards to Jungles and Yates I think a bit of Anglo-Saxon / Northern European vs the rest came into play. Just check Twitter and see which riders are supporting Dumoulin and which are not. They had nothing to lose.
 
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Irondan said:
jaylew said:
Irondan said:
jaylew said:
RattaKuningas said:
Anyone knows where the worlds best climber Landa was who could've easily won without losing time in first week?
Oh, come on. You mean the guy who's been in a ton of breaks, including going solo yesterday? :rolleyes: No way to know where he'd be in the GC mix if not for the crash but that's just a ridiculous comment.
Again with the Landa is the greatest rhetoric? Enough already... jeez... :rolleyes:
Beautiful strawman. Have you ever seen me post anything like that? I'm fairly ambivalent towards Landa but to make a comment about Landa's performance today after the breaks he's been in recently, particularly yesterday, is just trolling and just as bad as the "Landa would have won" posts.
I was hoping you realized that I was also replying to rattakuningas. I apologize for any confusion, I wasn't accusing you of making "Landa would have won" posts. That's why I bolded the comment that you quoted.

My bad.
Gotcha :)
 
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DFA123 said:
Galic Ho said:
spalco said:
Nibali '39
Pinot '43
Dumo '53
Zaka 1'15
Pozzo 1'30

Change the gradient for the ITT. Drop 12km from the distance.

Consider the time gaps between everyone on stage 10.

Dumoulin is light years ahead at stage 10, fatigued big time right now. But will likely, still win the stage tomorrow. He put 2:53 into Quintana on that stage.

Nibali put 46 seconds into Quintana first time trial.

Zakarin put 34 seconds into Quintana.

Pinot put only 11 seconds into Quintana.

Pozzovio was 14 seconds slower than Nairo.

Nairo is wearing the maglia rosa with the biggest time gap between all these riders, him and Nibali.

Dumoulin does go onto his favoured terrain and event. But that fatigue, should see him drop some of that phenomenal.

I don't see the race for the maglia rosa being anyone but Quintana and Dumoulin. Nibali could catch Nairo, but if he catches Nairo, then how does he hold off Dumoulin?

This might end up being as close as the 2007 Tour was, with 3 riders within 30 seconds of each other. Or maybe as close as the 89 Tour.
I think its between Nibali and Dumoulin. Nibali will probably get a bit of assistance along the way, and it's a fast, fairly technical course in places. He could do very, very well I think.
I think the motos and helis can pace him all the way ala Moser '84 :eek:
 
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Forever The Best said:
DFA123 said:
Galic Ho said:
spalco said:
Nibali '39
Pinot '43
Dumo '53
Zaka 1'15
Pozzo 1'30

Change the gradient for the ITT. Drop 12km from the distance.

Consider the time gaps between everyone on stage 10.

Dumoulin is light years ahead at stage 10, fatigued big time right now. But will likely, still win the stage tomorrow. He put 2:53 into Quintana on that stage.

Nibali put 46 seconds into Quintana first time trial.

Zakarin put 34 seconds into Quintana.

Pinot put only 11 seconds into Quintana.

Pozzovio was 14 seconds slower than Nairo.

Nairo is wearing the maglia rosa with the biggest time gap between all these riders, him and Nibali.

Dumoulin does go onto his favoured terrain and event. But that fatigue, should see him drop some of that phenomenal.

I don't see the race for the maglia rosa being anyone but Quintana and Dumoulin. Nibali could catch Nairo, but if he catches Nairo, then how does he hold off Dumoulin?

This might end up being as close as the 2007 Tour was, with 3 riders within 30 seconds of each other. Or maybe as close as the 89 Tour.
I think its between Nibali and Dumoulin. Nibali will probably get a bit of assistance along the way, and it's a fast, fairly technical course in places. He could do very, very well I think.
I think the motos and helis can pace him all the way ala Moser '84 :eek:

I think Nibali is most likely to finish 2nd to Major Tom with Quintana back in third.
 
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I get the impression delaParte and Movistar hired Jan Hirt for the end of this stage. He took a strong pull at the bottom of the climb with everyone on his wheel and then didn't assist in the Dumo group in chance of a stage win.
 
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DFA123 said:
Galic Ho said:
spalco said:
Nibali '39
Pinot '43
Dumo '53
Zaka 1'15
Pozzo 1'30

Change the gradient for the ITT. Drop 12km from the distance.

Consider the time gaps between everyone on stage 10.

Dumoulin is light years ahead at stage 10, fatigued big time right now. But will likely, still win the stage tomorrow. He put 2:53 into Quintana on that stage.

Nibali put 46 seconds into Quintana first time trial.

Zakarin put 34 seconds into Quintana.

Pinot put only 11 seconds into Quintana.

Pozzovio was 14 seconds slower than Nairo.

Nairo is wearing the maglia rosa with the biggest time gap between all these riders, him and Nibali.

Dumoulin does go onto his favoured terrain and event. But that fatigue, should see him drop some of that phenomenal.

I don't see the race for the maglia rosa being anyone but Quintana and Dumoulin. Nibali could catch Nairo, but if he catches Nairo, then how does he hold off Dumoulin?

This might end up being as close as the 2007 Tour was, with 3 riders within 30 seconds of each other. Or maybe as close as the 89 Tour.
I think its between Nibali and Dumoulin. Nibali will probably get a bit of assistance along the way, and it's a fast, fairly technical course in places. He could do very, very well I think.
What?
Nibali is only 14 seconds ahead of Domoulin. How can Top 3 be within 30 secs of each other?

:surprised: :surprised:
 
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DFA123 said:
Galic Ho said:
spalco said:
Nibali '39
Pinot '43
Dumo '53
Zaka 1'15
Pozzo 1'30

Change the gradient for the ITT. Drop 12km from the distance.

Consider the time gaps between everyone on stage 10.

Dumoulin is light years ahead at stage 10, fatigued big time right now. But will likely, still win the stage tomorrow. He put 2:53 into Quintana on that stage.

Nibali put 46 seconds into Quintana first time trial.

Zakarin put 34 seconds into Quintana.

Pinot put only 11 seconds into Quintana.

Pozzovio was 14 seconds slower than Nairo.

Nairo is wearing the maglia rosa with the biggest time gap between all these riders, him and Nibali.

Dumoulin does go onto his favoured terrain and event. But that fatigue, should see him drop some of that phenomenal.

I don't see the race for the maglia rosa being anyone but Quintana and Dumoulin. Nibali could catch Nairo, but if he catches Nairo, then how does he hold off Dumoulin?

This might end up being as close as the 2007 Tour was, with 3 riders within 30 seconds of each other. Or maybe as close as the 89 Tour.
I think its between Nibali and Dumoulin. Nibali will probably get a bit of assistance along the way, and it's a fast, fairly technical course in places. He could do very, very well I think.

Come on man... 14 seconds.

Flat, straight, pure power

Nibali needs a miracle.
 
Any chance for Zaka to get on the podium at GT for the first time tomorrow? He is 1:15 to Quintana. That's a fairly healthy margin. 36 on Nibali, and 32 on Pinot. I am not counting Dumoulin because he isn't going to beat him and take 22+ seconds on him, unless Dumoulin completely cracks tomorrow or (hopefully not) has mechanical issues.

Pinot and Nibali are close enough to Quintana to overtake him, and if Dumoulin is firing tomorrow, he'll have no issues overtaking them and Quintana.

Those 20 seconds that Zakarin lost early in the Giro are looking quite costly right now. Yes he took time back by attacking on Etna and gaining the bonus seconds, so perhaps he still would have been in the exact same position, but I am just speculating how big that early fall was.
 
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masking_agent said:
Quintana tomorrow is going to have the same fate as Fignon and Schleck did on the last day of a Grand Tour.. Tom will take the jersey off him on the last day. Oh well.. Maybe Nairo can speak to his doctor about a better program when back training in colombia.

You forgot Purito.

Quintana has actually won a few GT's though.

Purito losing the Giro to Hesjedal...that really hurt. Probably not as much as the Vuelta lose that Contador stole, or the World Championship...you get the picture?

There are a lot of riders who've raced really hard and come very close to the first place. They still rode well.

Oh...and did I hear "mechanical?"
 
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deValtos said:
I get the impression delaParte and Movistar hired Jan Hirt for the end of this stage. He took a strong pull at the bottom of the climb with everyone on his wheel and then didn't assist in the Dumo group in chance of a stage win.

he is a pretty bad roleur and a pretty bad sprinter

he also seemed to be one of the weakest from the chase on the climb
 
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ontheroad said:
I think some people on here think that Quintana and Nibali in particular just have to press a button and attack when and as often as they like. And not only that but repeat it day after day. It never ceases to amuse me on here how some people forget the brutality and suffering of the sport whilst watching from their armchair. A reality check wouldn't go amiss sometimes.
Quintana has been so hyped as the greatest climber the world has ever seen (better than 2013-15 Froome or 2007-11 Contador), so yeah... chinks in his armor are going to be pointed out.

I don't think people criticize Nibali much in this race because he's ridden like people expect him to ride. Whatever ones opinion of him, he's magnificent on a bike and a joy to watch.