Hour Record Official Discussion Thread

[Pricey_sky]

I bet he's going to do over 55

I think over 55km too.

 

[jens_attacks]

his target should be rominger's one so yes above 55 km/h. at his best, definitely doable.

 

[blackcat]

I would expect Wiggins to do over 54.

agree. I think with the track souplesse, he would actually have an edge on Spartacus. But the big chance to bust it wide open in the future would be Phinney. He has a 1'02" or 1'03" 1km mark in the 2008 or 2007 Copenhagen UCI World Cup, and he has about a 4'14" pb in the pursuit. If he takes up chronos like Spartacus, I would suggest he might be able to take Wiggins ride down in the next decade. Another two smokeys would be the Australians Bobridge and Michael Hepburn, albeit, apart from Bobridges 4th at Worlds tt, they have not shown a great deal of ability for an hour ride. I know Hepburn won nationals this year, but this is a different level.

smokey would be Hayden Roulston. kiwi. texpat. hope he is over his tarchidia or heart arithmia whatever its called, WillWalker had a reoccurance just recently. the most talented cyclist australia never had.

 

[M Sport]

But the big chance to bust it wide open in the future would be Phinney. He has a 1'02" or 1'03" 1km mark in the 2008 or 2007 Copenhagen UCI World Cup, and he has about a 4'14" pb in the pursuit. If he takes up chronos like Spartacus, I would suggest he might be able to take Wiggins ride down in the next decade. Another two smokeys would be the Australians Bobridge and Michael Hepburn, albeit, apart from Bobridges 4th at Worlds tt, they have not shown a great deal of ability for an hour ride. I know Hepburn won nationals this year, but this is a different level.

I would say Rohan Dennis before any of them but I don't think we will see him have a go, too focused on the road and new team.

To the other posters above, I don't see anyone other than Tony Martin being able to go near 55km and he doesn't really seem that interested. So we will only see 54km being broken before the end of next year. When I say only 54km that will be pretty impressive considering what Rominger and Boardman had. One had a Ferrari coach and the other had the most aerodynamic set up probably ever seen on the track.

 

[blackcat]

I would say Rohan Dennis before any of them but I don't think we will see him have a go, too focused on the road and new team.

To the other posters above, I don't see anyone other than Tony Martin being able to go near 55km and he doesn't really seem that interested. So we will only see 54km being broken before the end of next year. When I say only 54km that will be pretty impressive considering what Rominger and Boardman had. One had a Ferrari coach and the other had the most aerodynamic set up probably ever seen on the track.

yep, if i bothered to check them off, I would have included him, p'raps as you say, ahead of all others. Durbo never really ecelled to the same degree on the track, but I wonder if that is cos he was looking to the road and never gave a f about the boards. his times and results were always just a tad behind trav and cam on the track, even allowing for his youth, but he was always a little bit ahead on the road

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

his target should be Rominger's one so yes above 55 km/h. at his best, definitely doable.

I look at it the same way, for the reasons discussed before. Though it's pretty likely Tony wasn't on just bread and water, it's still doable I think. But even if Brad sets a good time close to 55km for future riders to achieve, I think that's a better goal.

But I will still say as I did before, I think at some point someone is going to have to climb on an old track bike and aim for 50km in an hour. Until that happens, Merckx still holds the greatest achievement in the history of cycling IMO. I still believe the UCI changed the rules simply because this record is so daunting, more so than being an old "style", that no one will try.

 

[jens_attacks]

well sosenka beat him anyway
the merckx record wasn't scary anyway, probably lots of riders would beat that today, just like in boardman's time in 2000. nobody cared about that, that's the truth. because we evolve

now, boardman 1996on the other hand... yes, that was scary shiit. and they won't beat it with the actual rules.

 

[42x16ss]

yep, if i bothered to check them off, I would have included him, p'raps as you say, ahead of all others. Durbo never really ecelled to the same degree on the track, but I wonder if that is cos he was looking to the road and never gave a f about the boards. his times and results were always just a tad behind trav and cam on the track, even allowing for his youth, but he was always a little bit ahead on the road

The main reason that Durbridge struggled in the track program was because he didn't have the fast start needed for a ridiculously good pursuit and struggled to get away in a team lead out by Bobridge or Meyer. Over the hour though, he'd demolish them both and would be in with a good chance along with Dennis and Hepburn in a few more years.

The other young guns in with a shot IMO are Phinney (already mentioned), Keldermann and especially Tom Dumoulin (the next Tony Martin?). I actually hope that Martin and Wigans wait another year or two before attempting this, just because whatever mark the faster one sets will probably stand for a long time.

 

[Echoes]

Boardman 1996 has nothing scary because it's all about the bike and any rascal can break it. You'd only need to use a Velox 4: the ultimate model of faired recumbent.

Merckx's record is scary because it was made on a real bike with drop bars, a horizontal frame and spoke wheels.

If only a handful of riders go for it, the most basic notion of logic tells us that it really is scary.

 

[Netserk]

@Echoes

Don't you mean Sosenka's record? Not much of a record left in Merckx' ride.

 

[blackcat]

The main reason that Durbridge struggled in the track program was because he didn't have the fast start needed for a ridiculously good pursuit and struggled to get away in a team lead out by Bobridge or Meyer. Over the hour though, he'd demolish them both and would be in with a good chance along with Dennis and Hepburn in a few more years.

The other young guns in with a shot IMO are Phinney (already mentioned), Keldermann and especially Tom Dumoulin (the next Tony Martin?). I actually hope that Martin and Wigans wait another year or two before attempting this, just because whatever mark the faster one sets will probably stand for a long time.

thnx.

as you pointed out, the hour the start is rendered irrelevant.

So it is the other 59 minutes that determines the record, and the term "souplesse" is irrelevant, it is really who can get the efficiency and manage a tedium on the boards for an hour. yeah, souplesse, but substitute efficiency.

I remember Petacchi in about 2005 say his leadout at Fasso, Marvo Velo et al, were eyeing off the Team Pursuit at the Olympics. Dale Parker and his u18 teammates would have been able to take the Fassa Squad down. I remember having a convo with him around 2010 when the jnr worlds were in Russia and he was eyeing off sub4 min for the teams, they ended up riding about 4'04" or 4'03" or much slower, in the jnr Russian worlds. Someone corrected me here, I was under the misconception that jnr Worlds were gear restricted, but someone else said I was wrong.

 

[blackcat]

The main reason that Durbridge struggled in the track program was because he didn't have the fast start needed for a ridiculously good pursuit and struggled to get away in a team lead out by Bobridge or Meyer. Over the hour though, he'd demolish them both and would be in with a good chance along with Dennis and Hepburn in a few more years.

The other young guns in with a shot IMO are Phinney (already mentioned), Keldermann and especially Tom Dumoulin (the next Tony Martin?). I actually hope that Martin and Wigans wait another year or two before attempting this, just because whatever mark the faster one sets will probably stand for a long time.

also 42x16s I remember the Australian track coaching said Graeme Brown was the best starter in the world and a major TP powerhouse, with emphasis on his start.

Also know that Ed Clancy was a killer in GB lineup. starter. And his power over the TP matched Wiggo. And he was around same weight.

I know that following false flat sprints over the larst 12 years on the road, it aint always the guys you would think who could excel on the rises.

Freire was no better.

but Steegmans, Graeme Brown!!! Robert Forster, Cav!!! they seemed to be able to handle the false flat or rise coming into run in. I working theory, became less power to weight, more gross power.

I cant remember seeing Greipel or Kittel yet, since I dont follow it much anymore

 

[blackcat]

well sosenka beat him anyway
the merckx record wasn't scary anyway, probably lots of riders would beat that today, just like in boardman's time in 2000. nobody cared about that, that's the truth. because we evolve

now, boardman 1996on the other hand... yes, that was scary shiit. and they won't beat it with the actual rules.

I remember reading a sports scientist and him saying the apogee of evolution as indicated in a 100 metre track and field footrace, was 80s,

Evolution has gone for many many thousands of years.

Yeah, the dutch are tall, but the americans with their fast food nutrition are inverting evolution, and getting shorter, and FATTER. that is a bit of a juxtaposition but

 

[blackcat]

I look at it the same way, for the reasons discussed before. Though it's pretty likely Tony wasn't on just bread and water, it's still doable I think. But even if Brad sets a good time close to 55km for future riders to achieve, I think that's a better goal.

But I will still say as I did before, I think at some point someone is going to have to climb on an old track bike and aim for 50km in an hour. Until that happens, Merckx still holds the greatest achievement in the history of cycling IMO. I still believe the UCI changed the rules simply because this record is so daunting, more so than being an old "style", that no one will try.

thing is, no one is getting paid well to develop their track skills like Wiggins was to be basically a full timetime room temperature ale drinker and pursuit rider in the 2000s.

With the Australians and GB not riding pursuits, and the UCI retiring the individual pursuit, the chances are that a Wiggins or Phinney time could be out of reach for half a century

 

[jens_attacks]

I remember reading a sports scientist and him saying the apogee of evolution as indicated in a 100 metre track and field footrace, was 80s,

the apogee of evolution in cycling is 1996.
fuccin hardcore, night on the rollers
blood is thick
as the jelly
turn on the telly
cyclist doesn't wanna fell asleep

and die.


lol at echoes. god cecchini told to riis that he needs to push 7 w/kg for one hour if he wanna beat boardman lol. that it's a freaking sick record..merckx wwhat?

 

[Jspear]

Thomas Dekker is going to give it a go.
He isn't a rider that I've paid much attention to - went and looked at his stats...nothing much in recent years. I guess he wouldn't be attempting it though if he didn't think he could break the new record.

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/thomas-dekker-to-attempt-hour-record

 

[jens_attacks]

with his form after comeback, he won't beat brandle for sure

turbo diesel from 2007 would set the hour at 53 kmph though.

 

[Dekker_Tifosi]

turbo diesel from 2014 is strangely enough better in physical tests etc then 2007.

the problem is more mentally then anything else

 

[jens_attacks]

turbo diesel from 2014 is strangely enough better in physical tests etc then 2007.

the problem is more mentally then anything else

those physical tests are wrong then...
he trained in greece for nothing.
well he made his choice so he better kept money for the years to come. too bad because i think if he goes pedal to the metal he can win paris-nice, dauphine and races like these

there were good times

 

[Netserk]

http://www.cyclingnews.com/news/cancellara-says-more-stabilty-at-trek-team-could-improve-his-results

But an attempt at the hour record may not happen now that the UCI has changed the rules to allow modern aerodynamic equipment.

"I have somewhat lost motivation in the project," Cancellara said, adding that before the rule change he had planned to challenge the record on the same Mexico City velodrome that Eddy Merckx used to set the record in 1972.

 

[jens_attacks]

he can't beat wiggo. that's why

classy fabian as always lol. merckx didn't even have the record anyway.

 

[Echoes]

His comment stands to reason, of course.

Why bothering to go for the Hour Record, when it's not the Hour record?


I've said it time and again that this catastrophic reform stopped Cancellara's preparation but people won't believe me. I was again right.

Wise decision, Mr Cancellara.

 

[Hugo Koblet]

Lol what a joke. Not that it's surprising, though.

 

[oldcrank]

Will Lee Valley become the new Velodromo Vigorelli?
www.cyclingweekly.co.uk/news/latest...le-hour-record-london-revolution-round-148619

 

[MagnusMagnussen]