Johan gets served

[Semper Fidelis]

Well he wasn't hiding from the Gazzetta's TV crew:

http://video.gazzetta.it/team-manag...to-basso/9864b480-a1df-11e1-a84e-1186cff4059a

that interview took place a few hours before Franck withdrew.
JB still thinking he was going okay.

Franck was ****ed at Johan because ......Johan wants the Schlecks..to use the "Time Crunched Cyclist" - "fit, fast, and powerful in 6 hours a week".

Everyone know that crap don't work. It is like telling a runner he can use the "penguin" or "galloway" plans.......#thatsnotrunning.

 

[BotanyBay]

So is it confirmed that Johan is actually in Italy?

I just have images of winged pigs in my mind...

Yeah, Johan had to go deliver a personal beat-down to a Schleck to keep him in line.

 

[thehog]

Well he wasn't hiding from the Gazzetta's TV crew:

http://video.gazzetta.it/team-manag...to-basso/9864b480-a1df-11e1-a84e-1186cff4059a

that interview took place a few hours before Franck withdrew.
JB still thinking he was going okay.

Bruyneel’s anger stems that he and Lance along with Trek had a dream of making Andy the next pin up boy of cycling. They had dollar signs in their eyes. But they know Frank’s only going to get in the way of that by talking sense into Andy about not going down that path. Frank is grounded. Bruyneel frustration is not from Frank dropping out of the Giro but his influence of Andy knowing that he won’t let Hog turn him into the US pretty boy that they wanted. Such a sad state of affairs.

 

[MacRoadie]

Yeah, Johan had to go deliver a personal beat-down to a Schleck to keep him in line.

Apparently, it didn't work...

 

[nowhereman]

Why would the Schlecks seek out Bruyneel? They have Kim Andersen.

Andersen is an idiot, as he himself has proven. And they've been idiots too, for not wanting more from their DS.. You'll notice that Bruyneel does not list the Gifted 2010 TdF amongst Andy's victories. That is one of the biggest non comments I've heard regarding that race, and the way it's in the records books now. They need a realistic, experienced strategist and sharp tacticial DS. Not someone that will just go along with what they want that particular day. A lot of folks don't like JB. I'm not a fan of him, myself. But sometimes you've got to give props to those that deserve them. And his capabilities could work good things for the Schlecks. Let's see if those fools allow it to happen. I'm betting it ain't going to happen this year, and if the relationship doesn't work this year, it might not last much longer. (Maybe this should be in the Radio Shack implosion thread, sorry)

 

[thehog]

Bruyneel now wants Contador back? He's so full of it. He let that horse bolt.

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Fränk Schleck: I am not doing better

"I am not doing better. My right shoulder is completely inflamed. On Monday evening I will take a plane back to Luxembourg. There, I will undergo an MRI. It is certain that it simply couldn't go on and that I had to abandon. I have said everything about the crash."

http://www.wort.lu/de/view/ein-regelrechtes-pulverfass-4fba5ab0e4b0c57bdfa0617c

Shortly;

-the shoulder problem doesnt sounds so big as Frank Schleck is stating, especially cause, for example, the team didnt even called their specialist for physio Giuseppe Carretta who lives in Parma and could have reached the Giro's location very quickly.

-both Becca and Bruyneel are furious for him leaving, which goes against the plan of Bruyneel since last winter; Frank to Giro and Andy to the Tour.
Frank, when called last minute to ride Giro, imposed that Kim Andersen would be there and this went against Bruyneel once again.

-there were rumors from some days from Andy side that Frank would have left the Giro this past sunday (yesterda) and thats what happened.

-with all this tension between Bruyneel and the Schlecks, the newspaper say that their relationship might end at the end of this year.
Bruyneel said that they are not as professional as Contador; and Bruyneel seems to be looking to atract Contador to his team for 2013 (no, im not joking LaFlorecita).

 

[nowhereman]

Bruyneel’s anger stems that he and Lance along with Trek had a dream of making Andy the next pin up boy of cycling. They had dollar signs in their eyes. But they know Frank’s only going to get in the way of that by talking sense into Andy about not going down that path. Frank is grounded. Bruyneel frustration is not from Frank dropping out of the Giro but his influence of Andy knowing that he won’t let Hog turn him into the US pretty boy that they wanted. Such a sad state of affairs.

Wow, you ought to write scripts for soap operas. That is a good theme for the self destruction that contempt, and jealousy for another, will drive you toward, no matter how obvious the inevitable outcome is to the observers. Equal to the tragi-comedies of Shakespeare. You're wasting your writing skills, and imagination here in the forum.

 

[nowhereman]

Bruyneel now wants Contador back? He's so full of it. He let that horse bolt.

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Amen to that, my man!

 

[Jeremiah]

At best Bruyneel is the Don King of cycling. Maybe he is really the John Gotti of cycling. At any rate he is a scumbag.

Who is he holding hostage?

 

[Boeing]

Bruyneel’s anger stems that he and Lance along with Trek had a dream of making Andy the next pin up boy of cycling. They had dollar signs in their eyes. But they know Frank’s only going to get in the way of that by talking sense into Andy about not going down that path. Frank is grounded. Bruyneel frustration is not from Frank dropping out of the Giro but his influence of Andy knowing that he won’t let Hog turn him into the US pretty boy that they wanted. Such a sad state of affairs.

Andy as a Bruyneel guy is debatable indeed. However I think you give Frank way too much credit here.

 

[thehog]

Andy as a Bruyneel guy is debatable indeed. However I think you give Frank way too much credit here.

I agree. But I think Bruyneel, Armstrong and co. thought they could turn mofo Andy into a Tour de France powerhouse. They wanted to apply the “template” but those days are gone. They thought if they had Andy taking on Contador and winning they’d have the new Trek pin-up boy to last them well into the decade. Things turned sour with Bruyneel having to deal with his past and not being able to get inside of Andy’s head. I’m of the understanding the both of them have refused to work with a certain Doctor under Bruyneel’s orders.

 

[BotanyBay]

If I were Andy and Frank, I'd not only worry about the stuff I'm taking now (this being prime oxygen vector and testosterone season), but I'd be ultra-worried about Johan sabotaging them for getting out of line. They might wanna bring some euros with them during the TDF and buy their bottled water from the other teams.

 

[mewmewmew13]

If I were Andy and Frank, I'd not only worry about the stuff I'm taking now (this being prime oxygen vector and testosterone season), but I'd be ultra-worried about Johan sabotaging them for getting out of line. They might wanna bring some euros with them during the TDF and buy their bottled water from the other teams.

Hehe so true

 

[eleven]

I’m of the understanding the both of them have refused to work with a certain Doctor under Bruyneel’s orders.

You're "of the understanding?" That's quite a charge. Do you have any evidence or links to support that charge?

As for the Bruyneel / Schleck relationship: Big egos on both sides and Bruyneel just doesn't know what to do when he's not got a team in lockstep behind one rider. See 2006 etc...Even last year's ATOC with Levi and Horner showed some cracks in the armor. Schleck's would probably do better under someone else.

 

[thehog]

You're "of the understanding?" That's quite a charge. Do you have any evidence or links to support that charge?

As for the Bruyneel / Schleck relationship: Big egos on both sides and Bruyneel just doesn't know what to do when he's not got a team in lockstep behind one rider. See 2006 etc...Even last year's ATOC with Levi and Horner showed some cracks in the armor. Schleck's would probably do better under someone else.

Don't you dare address me like this again.

 

[MarkvW]

Don't you dare address me like this again.

He is not accustomed to that level of courtesy and respect.

 

[Neworld]

If I were Andy and Frank, I'd not only worry about the stuff I'm taking now (this being prime oxygen vector and testosterone season), but I'd be ultra-worried about Johan sabotaging them for getting out of line. They might wanna bring some euros with them during the TDF and buy their bottled water from the other teams.

Tru dat. Just like in 2006 when a certain MD was exposed (and many contenders jettisoned from the TdF) where physical bags of packed cells were found. Fr-andy's 'stuff' could be exposed too, and JB would play dumb.

Rats will be jumping off the ship soon, and lines in the sand will be drawn.

As for the earlier comments(sorry cannot remember who brought them up...) that JB is an awesome tactician, I disagree.

When you can 'charge' a team so deeply that there are 4 or 5 members pacing your leader up HC climbs when no other competitor has teammates to help them there is not much tactical prowess in that. Or maintain mountainous av speeds over 40Km/hr, Hell I could instruct the team to do that... "Hey boys go tempo ride 43Kms/hr for this 4 mountain pass stage and just drop everybody but Jan and Ivan".

Yet, JB was and is the master of delivering reverse logic and propaganda to the media to deliberately carve out his plans. Yes, he did that very skillfully.

NW

 

[thehog]

Tru dat. Just like in 2006 when a certain MD was exposed (and many contenders jettisoned from the TdF) where physical bags of packed cells were found. Fr-andy's 'stuff' could be exposed too, and JB would play dumb.

Rats will be jumping off the ship soon, and lines in the sand will be drawn.

As for the earlier comments(sorry cannot remember who brought them up...) that JB is an awesome tactician, I disagree.

When you can 'charge' a team so deeply that there are 4 or 5 members pacing your leader up HC climbs when no other competitor has teammates to help them there is not much tactical prowess in that. Or maintain mountainous av speeds over 40Km/hr, Hell I could instruct the team to do that... "Hey boys go tempo ride 43Kms/hr for this 4 mountain pass stage and just drop everybody but Jan and Ivan".

Yet, JB was and is the master of delivering reverse logic and propaganda to the media to deliberately carve out his plans. Yes, he did that very skillfully.

NW

Amen. Hog's skill was in logistics not in cycling tactics. Getting the drugs to the stages on time and without detection.

And for the record he is not DS of RadioShack today. He is a management consultant! They can boot him anytime.

 

[hfer07]

I agree. But I think Bruyneel, Armstrong and co. thought they could turn mofo Andy into a Tour de France powerhouse. They wanted to apply the “template” but those days are gone. They thought if they had Andy taking on Contador and winning they’d have the new Trek pin-up boy to last them well into the decade. Things turned sour with Bruyneel having to deal with his past and not being able to get inside of Andy’s head. I’m of the understanding the both of them have refused to work with a certain Doctor under Bruyneel’s orders.

agreed 100%.

add to that the overrated-hyped belief that anyone under Bruyneel's care will turn into a successful rider- we have so many examples of those empty promises with Machado, Brajkovic, Phinney, etc.

the whole world knows that JB is all about the dope-there are no DS skills to talk to, nor there is the care to "nurture" stars...

I must confess-As much as I hate the Schleck Bros- I hope they get out of this mess ASAP & start over-this relationship with Bruyneel is only causing them a hardship they cannot endure...

 

[Hugh Januss]

You're "of the understanding?" That's quite a charge. Do you have any evidence or links to support that charge?

Oh yes., I am sure that the interwebs are rife with printed evidence of this.

You can say "I don't believe you" but don't you think asking for "links" in a case like this is just more than a little stupid?

 

[Cal_Joe]

You're "of the understanding?" That's quite a charge. Do you have any evidence or links to support that charge?

Give it up - waste of time. You are responding to a person who has:

An annual forum anniversary (September 5) for MAKING STUFF UP.

A weekly remembrance (Tuesday) for MAKING STUFF UP.

Someone who has been suspended numerous times for MAKING STUFF UP.

I believe I do remember a post on the CN forums that, in essence, said that "he may be a Village Idiot, but he is our Village Idiot."

My guess is that poster will never be able to post anything in support of "his understanding".

 

[Cal_Joe]

Oh yes., I am sure that the interwebs are rife with printed evidence of this.

You can say "I don't believe you" but don't you think asking for "links" in a case like this is just more than a little stupid?

Um, it was hoggy that posted that. Please let me know if you think that is a credible source.

 

[hrotha]

Um, it was hoggy that posted that. Please let me know if you think that is a credible source.

Good reason not to believe him, not much of a reason to go "Excuse me good sir, on which page and issue of the Washington Post was this published?" This sort of stuff doesn't get reported easily.

 

[sniper]

Um, it was hoggy that posted that. Please let me know if you think that is a credible source.

the hog may or may not have heard it.
in any case it seems rather unlikely that the Schleckies would refuse to work with any doctor put forward by bruyneel. People actually discuss the details of, and read into, contracts before signing them.

 

[thingswelike]

JB/LA are always on the lookout for the next LA. They tried it with Basso. First LA was gushing about him on the TdF podium, then they tried to sign him when he was still caught up in Puerto and Riis dropped him.
I think they actually did sign him for Discovery for part of his suspension, but my memory could be faulty.
Anyway, I wonder what happened to all that - why Basso left for Liquigas and what his relationship with JB/LA was during that time. Maybe it was Sassi's influence.

Anyway - I still find it hard to see Schleck as the new LA/Basso/etc. Maybe they really thought they could get his timetrialling up to speed, but that doesn't seem to be the case.