Jonathan Tiernan-Locke written to by UCI, asked to explain blood values

[Netserk]

JTL may have doped for those races. But his infringement is with British Cycling.

So? How did he dope in the first part of the season? Brailsford injecting him since February?

 

[thehog]

So? How did he dope in the first part of the season? Brailsford injecting him since February?

It's not been proven that he doped for those races. He was winning 2.1 & 2.2 races. He passed the urine tests at that time. What more can be said on the matter? He was officially listed clean for those races.

The Worlds is a huge step up from beating unknown French guys in January. There he has blood irregularities under Brailsford. And finished a very tough worlds strongly.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I think he was doping on his own, for the whole season (and maybe before that even).

Likely just BB's but maybe EPO as well. Time will tell as to what UKAD releases in the reasoned decision.

But it is easy to see why folks are bringing Sky/BC into it.

Substantial rumors were about before Sky looked at him. They should have done better. (especially after the Leinders fiasco)

I think in any similar situation they will.

 

[Netserk]

It's not been proven that he doped for those races. He was winning 2.1 & 2.2 races. He passed the urine tests at that time. What more can be said on the matter? He was officially listed clean for those races.

The Worlds is a huge step up from beating unknown French guys in January. There he has blood irregularities under Brailsford. And finished a very tough worlds strongly.

So he was clean when he won two 2.1 races, but had to dope to win a 2.1 race later in the year? Where Brailsford injected him?

 

[thehog]

I think he was doping on his own, for the whole season (and maybe before that even).

Likely just BB's but maybe EPO as well. Time will tell as to what UKAD releases in the reasoned decision.

But it is easy to see why folks are bringing Sky/BC into it.

Substantial rumors were about before Sky looked at him. They should have done better. (especially after the Leinders fiasco)

I think in any similar situation they will.

On 30k a year and he's stringing up blood bags?

I don't think so. His Worlds effort was better than anything he'd done prior.

 

[D-Queued]

I think he was doping on his own, for the whole season (and maybe before that even).

Likely just BB's but maybe EPO as well. Time will tell as to what UKAD releases in the reasoned decision.

But it is easy to see why folks are bringing Sky/BC into it.

Substantial rumors were about before Sky looked at him. They should have done better. (especially after the Leinders fiasco)

I think in any similar situation they will.

Is it really that easy for a top continental pro to evade dope tests when they are going it alone?

No advice from anyone?

How'd he procure? Where'd he get the dosing info from?

And, how'd he get enough money to pay for it?

Dave.

 

[SundayRider]

On 30k a year and he's stringing up blood bags?

I don't think so. His Worlds effort was better than anything he'd done prior.

Pretty difficult to do BBs on your own.

 

[thehog]

So he was clean when he won two 2.1 races, but had to dope to win a 2.1 race later in the year? Where Brailsford injected him?

His Worlds effort was far superior than beating French guys in freezing January.

 

[Parker]

I think he was doping on his own, for the whole season (and maybe before that even).

Likely just BB's but maybe EPO as well. Time will tell as to what UKAD releases in the reasoned decision.

But it is easy to see why folks are bringing Sky/BC into it.

Substantial rumors were about before Sky looked at him. They should have done better. (especially after the Leinders fiasco)

I think in any similar situation they will.

I agree with you that he was most likely doing it on his own.

Maybe Sky could have done more - but there's only so much you can do with a small amount of data over a limited period of time, unless there's something obviously alarming. And it took the UCI considerably more time and data to see it themselves.

And the problem with 'substantial rumours' is that there have been substantial rumours against Sky themselves, so if they were to know that those rumours were wrong, why would they credit other rumours from similar sources.

 

[Netserk]

His Worlds effort far superior than beating French guys in freezing January.

So he was clean at ToB, but only doped for the Worlds? Where Brailsford injected him?

 

[thehog]

Pretty difficult to do BBs on your own.

Impossible to on your own. Microdosing is hard without someone showing you how to do it right.

 

[thehog]

So he was clean at ToB, but only doped for the Worlds? Where Brailsford injected him?

No his infringement is also for the ToB.

 

[Netserk]

No his infringement is also for the ToB.

Was his late 2.1 win also 'far superior' to his two 2.1 wins earlier? Was Brailsford only injecting him in Britain?

 

[thehog]

Was his late 2.1 win also 'far superior' to his two 2.1 wins earlier? Was Brailsford only injecting him in Britain?

Now you're just being silly.

His irregularities are for the 2012 ToB & Worlds. For the ToB he was all but a Sky rider in name. He had been to several training camps and all the questions to him at that race were about signing for Sky. Sky had also given him a "letter of intent" in April.

For the Worlds he was riding for BC (Sky) under Brailsford.

 

[Catwhoorg]

I doubt he has blood tests from earlier in the year, so we simply don't know if he was manipulating his blood.

Urine tests maybe (but IIRC there were reports of no dope tests at some of those races) but not blood.

 

[ebandit]

silly

silly.

His irregularities are for the 2012 ToB & Worlds. For the ToB he was all but a Sky rider in name. He had been to several training camps and all the questions to him at that race were about signing for Sky.

exactly talk was about signing for sky ..............not riding for them

strange? that many members here are not more pleased to see a cheater popped............and that the passport can work

or is there disappointment because still Team Sky /DB are not directly implicated?

Mark L

 

[thehog]

exactly talk was about signing for sky ..............not riding for them

strange? that many members here are not more pleased to see a cheater popped............and that the passport can work

or is there disappointment because still Team Sky /DB are not directly implicated?

Mark L

Hence why you deleted he part from my post about having a "letter of intent" from Sky

That is more strange. There was no need to modify my post.

I'd also say the Worlds riding for BC is about as direct it can get.

 

[Wallace and Gromit]

Impossible to on your own. Microdosing is hard without someone showing you how to do it right.

EPO isn't hard to get hold of or that expensive and there's a decent amount of literature available about how to avoid testing positive. It's not even a controlled drug in the UK, so there's no risk of the police getting involved simply for possessing or transporting the stuff.

Dan Staite was a lowly UK rider who got busted for EPO. It was an open secret for a long time before he got busted that he was "on the juice". On the assumption that Staite hadn't got a complex infrastructure behind him, it seems perfectly possible that JTL could be sourcing and applying his own EPO.

JTL would only need to be a "super responder" to get to where he did on a fairly crude regime. It's not like he was anywhere close to dishing it out to Froome et al in a Grand Tour.

It's also entirely possible that Sir Dave, Froomedog and Sir Brad personally injected him so he could win the Tour of Britain and then told him to f--- off when he was actually being paid handsomely by Sky.

 

[thehog]

EPO isn't hard to get hold of or that expensive and there's a decent amount of literature available about how to avoid testing positive. It's not even a controlled drug in the UK, so there's no risk of the police getting involved simply for possessing or transporting the stuff.

Dan Staite was a lowly UK rider who got busted for EPO. It was an open secret for a long time before he got busted that he was "on the juice". On the assumption that Staite hadn't got a complex infrastructure behind him, it seems perfectly possible that JTL could be sourcing and applying his own EPO.

JTL would only need to be a "super responder" to get to where he did on a fairly crude regime. It's not like he was anywhere close to dishing it out to Froome et al in a Grand Tour.

It's also entirely possible that Sir Dave, Froomedog and Sir Brad personally injected him so he could win the Tour of Britain and then told him to f--- off when he was actually being paid handsomely by Sky.

He was doped for the worlds. So if he microdosed back in the Uk then it was pointless for the Netherlands.

He would have had to done whilst there with BC.

 

[Catwhoorg]

Sky helping him and thus increasing his amount they have to pay him to ride for them doesn't pass the sniff test.

Lone doper hired without a correct amount of due diligence seems to fit the story the best.

 

[the sceptic]

Interesting that the bots now see JTLs doping as obvious and his riding pre sky very suspicious.

I wonder how they feel about other brits that came out of nowhere and were too good to be true.

 

[thehog]

Sky helping him and thus increasing his amount they have to pay him to ride for them doesn't pass the sniff test.

Lone doper hired without a correct amount of due diligence seems to fit the story the best.

I'm sure Sky could afford him. ToB winner did more for Sky than Endura who had disowned him at that point. They even stated he was a Sky rider.

 

[HappyCycling]

Does anyone know what these anomalies were exactly? Blood values or what?

 

[JRanton]

It's not been proven he doped for Haut Var. He passed all regular tests for those races.

The irregularities are for 2012 ToB and the Worlds.

There weren't any tests taken for Tour of Med or Haut Var. Remember Dan Martin's tweet?

 

[Catwhoorg]

Does anyone know what these anomalies were exactly? Blood values or what?

Has to be blood manipulation, so irregularities in one or more blood values.

The steroid profile was not part of the biopassport at the time.