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iBanesto

iBanesto

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CyclistAbi said:
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Evidence seems to suggest UAE (plus sports media/fandom) is running a smear campaign against him. I don't feel you are a Karen if fighting that. More like a Zoro.
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Ayuso has only got himself to blame for his hate because of his selfishness and has never gone out of his way to help his team.

UAE gave him leadership in the Giro and he didn't perform against Del Torro, it is not as though UAE has blocked his chances of winning a grand tour. Last year at the TdF, he literally did f--- all for the team or even his own high GC hopes. UAE are paying him good money too.

End of the day it is a team sport.
 
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The fridge in the blue trees

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I'm not talking about the Giro. If UAE is sending you to a race with Almeida, you are not the leader and every knows that. I believe UAE's pre-Vuelta announcement even called Almeida the leader and Ayuso co-leader. What does that tell you?
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That UAE doesn't know what co-leader actually means?

As for the rest. Galibier last year with Almeida not being happy.... Sunday dropping that early. Sunday maybe he couldn't have been much help once Vingegaard went. And nobody really expected him to go that early, if he hadn't Ayuso wouldn't have really become a topic later on. But Vinge did go early, Ayuso was already in the back. By dropping that early, even if he didn't expect to be needed, he failed to show goodwill, or the intention of helping. He deserves criticism for that, sure.

Some of it goes a bit far. Failed at the Giro? He crashed on the sterrato stage. Knee problems, wound opened up again and had some more general knee problems. That's not really failing, that's bad luck. He continued till the wasp.. Now not in form... he's not the first guy who built up for the Giro, and then fails to rebuild for the Vuelta. Most famously Remco, but there's riders like that every year, Tiberi this year for example. Certainly not ideal behaviour by Ayuso, the early release of the communiqué seems wrong too... but as Almeida seems to say in every interview: It is what it is.
 
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CyclistAbi

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cyclinguptodate.com

"You guys were asking me the same question every day" - Why UAE released Ayuso statement before the end of the Vuelta

Juan Ayuso is going to leave UAE Team Emirates - XRG at the end of the season and joining a new team, an agreement that had been prepared for a few weeks. However it was suddenly released mid-Vuelta a...
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The way i read it it was agreed that the joint announcement will be made after Vuelta and that is the part of an agreement that was breached.
 
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Gianetti spreading misinformation. Ayuso has said that before the race started they had agreed that the news would be announced after the race had finished. Regardless of whether the content details were known or not, he was told by UAE management that it would be published 30 minutes in advance, but he already knew that because some journalists were informed by UAE at lunch time and some of them contacted him.
 
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whatever the rights and wrongs of Ayuso's behaviour UAE should not be sacking riders riding in the middle of a GT

How and why would you do that. If it had been agreed he was leaving anyway then why up the anti and sack him NOW

You have to say they were trying to make points , ie that they want rid of him at any cost and shift the 'blame ' onto him....Such poor management

As for Ayuso if he had not said anything about how they were trying to ruin his reputation he could have taken the high ground and people would infer they were indeed getting at him But now he has opened his mouth and put his foot in it

There is no doubt in my mind that Ayuso is a great talent but has been allowed to have too much hubris without the results to back it up.
Cycling is a team sport and no one wins alone

Finally he is only 22 and prob is under too much pressure even if some of it is of his own making. Hopefully he gets over this and moves on. If I were him i would dedicate myself to the team and Almeida from now on...just to show he can and as a 'up yours ' to UAE management
 
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CyclistAbi

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Ayuso was a perfect scapegoat and it suited UAE, sports media and fandom to blow that bubble out of proportion, now Ayuso penetrated it and it's over. It turned out 95% of the air in bubble had nothing to do with Ayuso in the first place. At best one could say he is a bit selfish and that is it, who isn't, the rest was you, now deal with it. Ayuso has better things to do, finishing this race and after to buy a new car and change wardrobe, suitable worries for a normal young man.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
@iBanesto

Evidence seems to suggest UAE (plus sports media/fandom) is running a smear campaign against him. I don't feel you are a Karen if fighting that. More like a Zoro.
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Absolutely ridiculous.
Ayuso has shown many things over last months, immaturity, lack of professionalism and inability to adapt.
Nobody at UAE knew who would crash at the Giro, nobody, absolutely nobody knew what would happen as a result. Nobody knew what Isaac Del Toro would do, including Del Toro himself. Nobody knew that entire world cycling spotlight would suddenly be on Del Toro and that once he started winning in the Giro he would have widespread success. Nobody knew that Spanish, English, Italian cycling press would further expectations for Del Toro's future and take attention away from Ayuso.
Nobody knew, it would appear that everyone else, top to bottom has accepted new possibilities and positions at the team with the obvious ugly public exception of Juan Ayuso who is riding, acting, talking, tweeting like a spoiled child.
Ayuso to compound his terrible decision making somehow asserted that UAE is trying to damage his reputation, as if UAE wrote and spoke content of his media exchanges and UAE told him to sit up, not contribute, be a public non teammate.

UAE has nothing to do with any of that, Ayuso alone is damaging and smearing his reputation. People advising him are idiots, and that's being fair, press and public in general agreement of Ayuso selfishness and Ayuso and his advisors doing nothing to calm, quell the negativity surrounding Juan.
 
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CyclistAbi said:
Ayuso was a perfect scapegoat and it suited UAE, sports media and fandom to blow that bubble out of proportion, now Ayuso penetrated it and it's over. It turned out 95% of the air in bubble had nothing to do with Ayuso in the first place. At best one could say he is a bit selfish and that is it, who isn't, the rest was you, now deal with it. Ayuso has better things to do, finishing this race and after to buy a new car and change wardrobe, suitable worries for a normal young man.
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This is just factually wrong. There certainly is a bubble around UAE, they are the most winning team currently in cycling. They have the recognized best rider and have an impressive and accomplished second tier within the team, Juan Ayuso being one of many outstanding riders within the team. The only thing that makes Ayuso stand out is his demand, his anger, immaturity at not getting disproportionate attention. He wants to be a brighter star amongst other bright stars. His behavior fits better with Caja Rural..maybe Kern Pharma instead of higher level team that will be the same as UAE to a slightly lesser degree. Maybe
T-Rex Quickstep can rework top to bottom to accommodate him, may Lotto hybrid or IPT, Bahrain, Trek has way too many stars and different objectives to please Premadonna Princess Juan and all his needs.
Someone better quickly tell Jay Vine he should actually be unhappy., he is apparently not getting the message
 
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Unchained

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CyclistAbi said:
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FYI Ayuso is pulling for Almeida.
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Ayuso is acting and talking like a punk every other day, so if he has temporarily seen the light, is having a temporary moment of acting, riding like a pro just give it time.. If you find what Ayuso has done and said at this Vuelta being consistent, considerate and professional we are in complete disagreement. Ayuso should ask a friend or family for a ride home and abandon.. Now, his presence is a distraction and takes away from the race, other teammates and objectives.. Bravo Jay!!
 
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CyclistAbi

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Stage 10 exposed UAE to the fullest, Ayuso pulled, Almeida after on his own, while his teammate winning the stage. UAE never came to this race with the intention to fully support Almeida and they wanted to use Ayuso as a scapegoat for it. It's on them now, Ayuso done.
 
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