Juan Ayuso discussion thread

[staubsauger]

I mean for him personally this ironically is good as long as he doesn't have complications from this Covid-19 infection.

Ayuso is going to be fresh and in full shape for the 2024 Vuelta a Espana. Main-favorite depending on how soon Roglic is able to properly train for the race. Plus Mas who obviously rides himself in form for Spain at the Tour de France.

Ayuso won't be worn out from the Tour de France in Spain like potentially Rodriguez.

Question remains however: Was Ayuso fading already because of his illness? Or did he miss base and sharpness due to his early exit from the Dauphine?

It's no excuses however from here on. He needs to justify his ambition and fulfill his potential now. Everything else than 1st or 2nd at the 2024 Vuelta a Espana is a failure!

Arguably, since Roglic doesn't get any younger, Ayuso needs to be a Grand Tour winner this fall even!

 

[ciranda]

made the mistake to turn both start numbers upside down, everybody knows you just turn one of them upside down to reverse the curse of the number thirteen

 

[SHAD0W93]

Nope. I mean if you think of a non-sporting workplace, if you showed up to work with a mild sniffle and confirmed covid, and told people you're viral load was low so it was OK, I don't think that would go over very well.

It goes over well in healthcare now from managements perspective.

 

[Armchair Cyclist]

Based on attitude, not physical capacities on the bike.

Just like Pagliacci did,
he tried to keep his illness hid
Riding in the public eye,
but in his lonely room he sighed,
"Covid not a clown"

 

[Ripper]

It goes over well in healthcare now from managements perspective.

Depends on where you are talking about?

Where I work if you showed up with covid or the flu and tried to tell people you weren't very contagious while breathing all over them, it would be frowned upon and I am quite sure you would be sent packing home.

 

[SHAD0W93]

Depends on where you are talking about?

Where I work if you showed up with covid or the flu and tried to tell people you weren't very contagious while breathing all over them, it would be frowned upon and I am quite sure you would be sent packing home.

At least our management and others don’t care anymore. On a floor/unit level there’s of course people that care, management not so much.

 

[Devil's Elbow]

I mean for him personally this ironically is good as long as he doesn't have complications from this Covid-19 infection.

Ayuso is going to be fresh and in full shape for the 2024 Vuelta a Espana. Main-favorite depending on how soon Roglic is able to properly train for the race. Plus Mas who obviously rides himself in form for Spain at the Tour de France.

Ayuso won't be worn out from the Tour de France in Spain like potentially Rodriguez.

Question remains however: Was Ayuso fading already because of his illness? Or did he miss base and sharpness due to his early exit from the Dauphine?

It's no excuses however from here on. He needs to justify his ambition and fulfill his potential now. Everything else than 1st or 2nd at the 2024 Vuelta a Espana is a failure!

Arguably, since Roglic doesn't get any younger, Ayuso needs to be a Grand Tour winner this fall even!

Another reason why Ayuso really needs to deliver at the Vuelta just developed:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811785374475395258

 

[JosefK]

At least our management and others don’t care anymore. On a floor/unit level there’s of course people that care, management not so much.

I'm an old guy (63) ... I remember fondly the good old days when I was a young office worker and my boss was a tyrant (not uncommon for the day). People worked there even with the flu --- scared to ask for a day off.

 

[SHAD0W93]

I'm an old guy (63) ... I remember fondly the good old days when I was a young office worker and my boss was a tyrant (not uncommon for the day). People worked there even with the flu --- scared to take a day off.

Still happens in other places. What sticks for us in the company I work for is we don’t have sick days, if we call in they just use our PTO hours. Then we can only call in sick 4 times in a rolling year before consequences start happening. Though if you’re super sick and let’s say call in today till Sunday that counts as one call in, just on the third day you need a doctors note.

 

[noob]

Why the fu are they interviewing him without masks???

 

[Ripper]

At least our management and others don’t care anymore. On a floor/unit level there’s of course people that care, management not so much.

Ouch! Well it is definitely not like that everywhere

 

[staubsauger]

Another reason why Ayuso really needs to deliver at the Vuelta just developed:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811785374475395258

True. But Ayuso isn't even 1 year older than Del Torro and already has a GT podium under his belt!

Nevertheless I agree entirely with you. Hence why Ayuso should have focused 100% on the 2024 Vuelta a Espana. His season planning was just asking for problems regarding his place in UAE's pecking order.

 

[jono]

Still happens in other places. What sticks for us in the company I work for is we don’t have sick days, if we call in they just use our PTO hours. Then we can only call in sick 4 times in a rolling year before consequences start happening. Though if you’re super sick and let’s say call in today till Sunday that counts as one call in, just on the third day you need a doctors note.

USA?

 

[Landeirovic]

True. But Ayuso isn't even 1 year older than Del Torro and already has a GT podium under his belt!

Nevertheless I agree entirely with you. Hence why Ayuso should have focused 100% on the 2024 Vuelta a Espana. His season planning was just asking for problems regarding his place in UAE's pecking order.

For me Yates and Almeida have bigger chances to win the Vuelta than Ayuso...

 

[houtdffan]

Ayuso out

Not sticking around with Covid like the Vuelta 2022

 

[SHAD0W93]

Wasn’t there rumors in June that Ayuso had Covid and they were reported false?

 

[staubsauger]

For me Yates and Almeida have bigger chances to win the Vuelta than Ayuso...

A rider as limited as Almeida should be happy he ever got GT leadership at a team like UAE!

 

[KZD]

A rider as limited as Almeida should be happy he ever got GT leadership at a team like UAE!

Limited in what sense? I mean Almeida is not super versatile but he is a very good climber and a good time trialist that already finished in a Grand Tour podium and currently sits in 4th place overall at the Tour. He deserves to be a leader at the Vuelta.

Anyway, the UAE team for the Vuelta is shaping up to be even more anarchic than the Tour one, Almeia, Yates, potentially Ayuso and Del Toro with McNulty in the mix as well.

 

[Brullnux]

Anyway, the UAE team for the Vuelta is shaping up to be even more anarchic than the Tour one, Almeia, Yates, potentially Ayuso and Del Toro with McNulty in the mix as well

Dreamy

 

[noob]

Dreamy

That chaos gonna be legendary 🤣🤣🤣🤣😍

View: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=8Ijk3nepXmM&pp=ygUXaXQncyBnb25uYSBiZSBsZWdlbmRhcnk%3D

 

[staubsauger]

Limited in what sense? I mean Almeida is not super versatile but he is a very good climber and a good time trialist that already finished in a Grand Tour podium and currently sits in 4th place overall at the Tour. He deserves to be a leader at the Vuelta.

Anyway, the UAE team for the Vuelta is shaping up to be even more anarchic than the Tour one, Almeia, Yates, potentially Ayuso and Del Toro with McNulty in the mix as well.

Serhiy Honchar finished 2nd at the 2004 Giro d'Italia behind Damiano Cunego. He has beaten Gilberto Simoni however by reeling him back in up towards Bormio 2000. He also was ahead of Popovych, already before the Ukrainian cracked completely.

Almeida finished 3rd at the 2024 Giro d'Italia behind grandpa Thomas and Primoz Roglic who was far from his best, apart from the Lussari MTT! Almeida reached the podium in a piss poor Giro d'Italia due to Tao Geoghegan Hart crashing and Evenepoel falling ill.

He has zero acceleration, hence can't attack and create a gap in the mountains. He can only limit his losses and hope Lady lucks adds up to reach a podium.

Ayuso got a 3rd place at the 2022 Vuelta a Espana aged 19. Benefitted from Roglic crashing out and Rodriguez injuring himself of course. But Ayuso himself struggled with Covid-19 ahead of the La Pandera stage. At the 2024 Vuelta a Espana he finished 4th after a nearly complete lackluster season that only started in late April. So he never reached full sharpness and neither development in that season. Still won on Albulapass at the Tour de Suisse however. If it wasn't for Jumbo playing shenanigans with the entire Vuelta field however by placing gc Kuss into that breakaway, Ayuso would have been 3rd again. So he kinda got the podium in 2022 already that he should have gotten in 2023. Despite Almeida being a shitty teammate like always on Angliru.

So no, Almeida doesn't deserve leadership at the 2024 Vuelta a Espana. At least not on a team like UAE. If he goes to a team like Israel or Tudor and becomes their Top 5 general classification rider, then yes. But not on UAE.

Ayuso himself however better starts praying that this Covid-19 infection won't harm him any longer. Because yes, he has to be fully prepared and needs to fulfill his potential this fall at the Vuelta a Espana. Otherwise he no longer can be described as a potential Grand Tour winner for 2025. He needs to turn this mishap into his luck now.

Almeida however isn't a potential Grand Tour winner. Neither was Serhiy Honchar!

 

[Salvarani]

Ayuso got a 3rd place at the 2022 Vuelta a Espana aged 19.

Says a lot about the level of that Vuelta. Yet it is more used to be enhance the level of another rider.

 

[staubsauger]

Says a lot about the level of that Vuelta. Yet it is more used to be enhance the level of another rider.

It's not that the level of the last 3 Giro d'Italia editions has been higher than the Vuelta a Espana.

Hindley, Carapaz, Landa. Where are they now at the Tour de France? Not even leading their teams.

We're back to where we've been 20 years ago regarding the level of the Giro d'Italia & Vuelta a Espana contenders compared to the level shown at the Tour de France by Vingegaard & Pogačar!

 

[Salvarani]

It's not that the level of the last 3 Giro d'Italia editions has been higher than the Vuelta a Espana.

Hindley, Carapaz, Landa. Where are they now at the Tour de France? Not even leading their teams.

We're back to where we've been 20 years ago regarding the level of the Giro d'Italia & Vuelta a Espana contenders compared to the level shown at the Tour de France by Vingegaard & Pogačar!

Hindley has not missed the top 10 (so far) in the GTs he has partaken and finished in since then.

Carapaz has another three podiums after that, but he is not that rider anymore.

Both shown more consistency than others...

Dont know how Landa got in there?

Yes, Vinge and Pog on another level.

 

[ingsve]

Another reason why Ayuso really needs to deliver at the Vuelta just developed:

https://twitter.com/x/status/1811785374475395258

Del Toro will not be a GC threat. I don't think he's disciplined enough to not lose time unnecessarily based on what I have seen this year.