pmcg76 said:
Of course you don't want to continue this discussion as you will only continue to become more pathetic.
Says the poster defending his unapologetic ex-doper hero. Uh huh.
pmcg76 said:
You are saying why didn't he just quit and become a domestique. Well that is pretty much what he did, left Europe and went back to riding at a much lower level.
Yeah, quit doping, stay at CA and ride as a dom. Difficult to debate with someone who doesn't read English too good.
He didn't become a domestique at CA. He could have stopped doping there and stayed on. He went looking for more glory back in the US.
pmcg76 said:
To say that cycling cannot destroy someone mentally is also ridiculous, any job can destroy someone mentally. Add in the fact of living away from home and family in a foreign country for most of the year would be too much for the majority of people to take. There are plenty of people who couldn't make it at pro or even amateur level in Europe because they were not cut out for it mentally. Kimmage couldn't handle it mentally either which was the primary reason he quit.
Hey - lots of riders do handle it. "Rider of his calibre" is what started all this. Rider of what calibre? So mentally strong he can't handle being away from home. Oh boo hoo.
pmcg76 said:
I asked you a direction question and of course you deflected it and instead went on attacking JV as if you can speak for what he was feeling personally at the time. Yet you seem to know very little about JV or his career if you have to check his results on CQ.
ANd you have not mentioned a single thing that was not in a NY times (or wherever) article - so quit with the grandstanding, you're just as clueless. At least I sought to check the veracity of your "rider of his calibre" praise. Which seems dubious.
If a mate came to me to tell me the job he had chosen was killing him mentally, yes, I would advise him to quit. But, here's the thing. I would have NO SYMPATHY for him, or her - unlike you, who feels all sorry and cuddly wuddly for poor JV coz those bad men made him take drugs.
BS.
His choice. Cop your medicine. Really simple, ya know?
pmcg76 said:
You derided him for never finishing a GT even though he has and you either don't know or ignored the fact that in 3 out the 4 Tdf he rode, he crashed out in two and was forced to retire because of a bee sting in another. That was hardly because he was a poor rider.
Hey, I checked the best website I could for his GT performance. I notice instead of enlightening us, you just get all uppity about it, like I am having a dig at your brother or something. Why so much skin in this game?
But let's get back to what you just wrote: "not a poor rider". Again, I am simply refuting your "rider of his calibre" utter BS. I didn't say he was poor. You can call me pathetic all you like but I Know what it takes ot get to Europe on a contract. So he wasn't a poor rider, but puhlease forgive me for not wanting to kiss his feet. But rider of his calibre? Sorry not buying that.
He comes across as a spoilt child, who got a better than average Hgb. He could have continued in that race with the beesting, but he quit. I've been bit multiple times recently by wasps out on training rides, including one that puffed my eye up.
pmcg76 said:
There is also the fact that you describe JV as a crap rider but at the same time say he quit because he wasn't getting any glory any more. Well if he was crap, how on earth did he ever receive any glory in the first place. If he was after the glory, why didn't he just hop straight into a team car as a DS. Why bother going back to school and starting of with a team racing at junior level. That is not the route normally taken by former pro's looking to bask in the glory. JV spent 6/7 years away from the top level European pro scene from the time he quit until Slipstream in 08.
Nope, wrong again. I have not called him crap once. It is disingenuous of you to say so. Put simply, coz you're clearly struggling: You are a liar.
If Jens voigt is a dom (and he usually is) but he is doing better than you in racing, you are hardly the team leader. You derided me looking at CQ, but give it a go. Compare head2head for Voigt and Vaughters for their time at CA. "Rider of his calibre" is what you wrote - I questioned that. He was better paid at CA, remember? Better paid than he was at USPS. That's the glory. Just like anon dudes on the internet lapping up his crap anytime he comes onto the forum.
pmcg76 said:
There is times you appear clueless on what you are talking about and this is most definitely one of them.
We'll have to agree to disagree on that one. You are clearly enamoured (in love with) JV, accept what he says at face value, and are incapable of looking at this objectively.
Please:
1. show me what makes JV a "rider of his calibre" - you know he was doping, right?
2. explain to me how doping was a requirement for JV, when Legeay said, "don't"?
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