JV talks, sort of

[Moose McKnuckles]

More likely due to his MBA study.

Are you kidding? MBAs at the top schools party like crazy. You're paying tens of thousands for a well-stocked Rolodex.

 

[blackcat]

but he has his presidency of the slippers to add to his masters of bean counting. so all is good

 

[Hugh Januss]

enough of the racial connotations with subsequent retorts and point scoring. This is NOT a friendly warning.


bison

Unless you "mods" cut out a whole lot of stuff, I have to think that you "mods" have the thinnest skins ever.
I really used to like this forum.

 

[JV1973]

jonny vee usually kills it with his media strategy. no one has a lick on gamins punching power pro rata.

a coupla articles in uk press and on cyclingnews, he will give them that, then co-ordinate his rockets when there is bigtime press to win.

I appreciate your acknowledgment of my skills.

 

[Franklin]

I appreciate your acknowledgment of my skills.

Must be great to read this thread and see how much common courtesy there is *Facepalm*.

Jonathan, question, I asked twice about your stance on medical personel, and FGL did the same. Care to answer (or say, no I won't answer, cool enough for me)?

 

[blackcat]

I appreciate your acknowledgment of my skills.

cheers. i hope you folks kick wiggins white boney @rse

 

[JV1973]

Must be great to read this thread and see how much common courtesy there is *Facepalm*.

Jonathan, question, I asked twice about your stance on medical personel, and FGL did the same. Care to answer (or say, no I won't answer, cool enough for me)?

There are quite a few legitimate reasons to have a doctor around a team. I don't think eliminating that is the answer. However, it might be an interesting idea to have a centralized pharmacy in big races, which governs all TUEs and meds given to riders.

 

[blackcat]

an interesting idea to have a centralized pharmacy in big races...
...and meds given to riders.

motoman can do it

 

[Ferminal]

Ms Basso..?

 

[ChewbaccaD]

There are quite a few legitimate reasons to have a doctor around a team. I don't think eliminating that is the answer. However, it might be an interesting idea to have a centralized pharmacy in big races, which governs all TUEs and meds given to riders.

Just like the school nurse!

 

[blackcat]

Ms Basso..?

she has a good silicon rack*. thats all i can say from mrs eddy mazolleni


*equivalent to luouis vuitton handbag from china. /sarcasm

 

[blackcat]

Just like the school nurse!

wetnurse>school nurse

 

[ChewbaccaD]

wetnurse>school nurse

I was married to a nurse...bad times, bad times.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

There are quite a few legitimate reasons to have a doctor around a team. I don't think eliminating that is the answer. However, it might be an interesting idea to have a centralized pharmacy in big races, which governs all TUEs and meds given to riders.

In other words: no comment.

Fair enough.

How can the public believe cycling is cleaning up while the staff of Ferrara is still a major factor in cycling?

 

[Benotti69]

In other words: no comment.

Fair enough.

How can the public believe cycling is cleaning up while the staff of Ferrara is still a major factor in cycling?

Nations will believe their stars are clean and the others are dopers. Hence the huge Wiggins (Aussie/Belgian) and Froome (Kenyan) support by the Brits

 

[Franklin]

In other words: no comment.

Fair enough.

How can the public believe cycling is cleaning up while the staff of Ferrara is still a major factor in cycling?

That's unfair tbh. JV can of course start to threaten peoples livelihoods by agreeing with me, but he has a team to run too. He acts withn some political boundaries and I seriously don't think it's fair to expect more. He can go full on rogue, but his team might suffer. This is not the place for rash words. I hope some of our ideas reach the sport.

What he says is in itself an interesting idea,. It would fix some of the TUE excesses.

 

[Pentacycle]

If the 'central pharmacy' idea is feasible, you might as well have all riders sleep in a hospital.

 

[Franklin]

If the 'central pharmacy' idea is feasible, you might as well have all riders sleep in a hospital.

I don't think you understand the idea.

Right now athletes use medications and that's a good thing. They get sick like all of us. However, there are also athletes abusing this legitimized usage. Centralizing it keeps this much more in check.

JV isn't suggesting to dole out free drugs

 

[Pentacycle]

I don't think you understand the idea.

Right now athletes use medications and that's a good thing. They get sick like all of us. However, there are also athletes abusing this legitimized usage. Centralizing it keeps this much more in check.

JV isn't suggesting to dole out free drugs

That's how I understood it, but I thought(in the case the idea becomes reality) having assistance from hospital staff could work as well, and save the costs of having to transfer all medical equipment and personnel for three weeks. But in reality neither of the ideas would work, since your rivals can see when you needed medical attention, and your privacy is severely limited. Having a team doctor still works best.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

In other words: no comment.

Fair enough.

JV did comment.
And indeed offered a solution.

How can the public believe cycling is cleaning up while the staff of Ferrara is still a major factor in cycling?

Are they? How do you know?
And even if they are it has nothing to do withe 'team doctors' - the Ferrari types have always operated outside of the UCI and the sport.
Unless the authorities (ie UCI/WADA) put in place a rule saying that any association with specific people will result in a sanction.

What JV has put forward is actually the best solution. One source for medical reasons. Any person goes outside that then is subject to sanction.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

That's how I understood it, but I thought(in the case the idea becomes reality) having assistance from hospital staff could work as well, and save the costs of having to transfer all medical equipment and personnel for three weeks. But in reality neither of the ideas would work, since your rivals can see when you needed medical attention, and your privacy is severely limited. Having a team doctor still works best.

The vast majority of injuries requires the cyclist going to the local hospital and getting diagnosed by "real" doctors.

If a cyclist is sick or injured he should stay in hospital or go home and recover. The sport simply doesn't need the majority of the team doctors.

 

[Franklin]

That's how I understood it, but I thought(in the case the idea becomes reality) having assistance from hospital staff could work as well, and save the costs of having to transfer all medical equipment and personnel for three weeks. But in reality neither of the ideas would work, since your rivals can see when you needed medical attention, and your privacy is severely limited. Having a team doctor still works best.

A pharmacist =/ a doctor...

So your complain doesn't fly. They could(and should) keep the TUE's and prescription's under couvert for competitors and public.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

That's unfair tbh. JV can of course start to threaten peoples livelihoods by agreeing with me, but he has a team to run too. He acts withn some political boundaries and I seriously don't think it's fair to expect more. He can go full on rogue, but his team might suffer. This is not the place for rash words. I hope some of our ideas reach the sport.

What he says is in itself an interesting idea,. It would fix some of the TUE excesses.

I did say ''no comment'' and ''fair enough''.

I am not blaming Vaughters for the medical staff at other teams, why would I?

I am only saying, have all these brave souls like Klimaschka, Mikhailov, Besnati, Corsetti, Tarsi; in other words, look at almost all the medical staffs in pro cycling, stopped drugging/aiding riders to drug? The same of course for all those nice DS's.

What JV has put forward is actually the best solution. One source for medical reasons. Any person goes outside that then is subject to sanction.

I dont really see that as a solution, it is not like riders do their training/preparation for GT's in GT's? It is not a bad idea of course but to say this is the solution goes to far imho.

Let me ask you a question: what do you think about guys like Besnati being at MPCC [Mouvement Pour un Cyclisme Credible] meetings?

 

[Franklin]

Well, the not fair bit for me was in the "no comment" while he did indeed comment, but I see what you tried to say

On the pharmacy bit, I think there's a "bit" of a political/legal issue if you want to centralize world wide medicine usage

Every country uses different rules and promotes different companies (a big deal in oh so corrupt pharmacy land). So even though I agree with your caveat, what JV says is the best possible (on pharmacy centralisation). And in truth, it should get rid of a lot of crap and enable riders to take the medicines they need (because sometimes a rider is disallowed to use something I can get... that's also ridiculous).

I still feel my draconic cleaning of the medical profession is neccesary, but I understand completely why this is not the lace for JV to comment. Problem is really how to get that idea promoted (in a bit less radical form, as I realize my solution will never pass).

I'm at a loss how to push something like this through considering it's infringing on right to work, medical ethical rules, common law and that's before we even look at vested interests at every level (Nation, legal, corporate, union, at every turn I see problems).

I hoped JV would speak out, as I'm one of the few who thinks his philosophy is indeed pragmatic and right (people can disagree with me on this, I don't mind, it's my opinion), but I also knew he wouldn't. But it was worth a try ^^. I guess a figurehead with less to loose should push this through, but who?

 

[ultimobici]

It all stinks. But Whitey hardly done time. Dont remember JV doing time either.

While JV wasn't sanctioned, he did effectively do it to himself. He quit European cycling aged 29, having asked for his contract to be dissolved 18 months early. Barely a year later, aged 30 he retired completely. Not what I'd have expected for a rider of his calibre.