JV talks, sort of

[ChrisE]

You are distorting things.

Maybe blackcat can come 'clarify' this distortion like JV did with the Frankie PM.

BTW, I would appreciate it if you didn't attribute my nickname for you to Markvw. I guess even the smartest amongst us 'distort'. Thanks, Vortex.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

I dont undertand why they were tempted to take the risk. Hesjedal should've followed last years program. It worked last year and a good chance it would put him on the podium again with a bit of luck as luck is always a factor in a GT win.

^^ this.

We won a GT last year, let's try something different.

Uh huh.

 

[BroDeal]

^^ this.

We won a GT last year, let's try something different.

Uh huh.

Or it could be they recognized that last year's field and route was kinda weak so Hesjedal would need to climb a bit better to have a shot at winning this year.

 

[The Hitch]

Some crap apparently one loses by puking it out

With wiggins it does tend to come out of his mouth.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Maybe blackcat can come 'clarify' this distortion like JV did with the Frankie PM.

BTW, I would appreciate it if you didn't attribute my nickname for you to Markvw. I guess even the smartest amongst us 'distort'. Thanks, Vortex.

Actually that was Blackcats opportunity to 'clarify' things.

My apologies, I had forgotten you, I mean forgotten that you were behind the vortex nickname, so i accidentally attributed it to someone else who would never backed up what they said.

 

[Granville57]

call me if you want.

JV, now that you've given us your digits, allow me to make a reasonable suggestion.

First off, whatever you do, don't change your number!

Secondly, consider letting The Clinic takeover all your incoming and outgoing calls as well as your voicemail. Kinda like a temp service, but free of charge. Just think of the possibilities!

Let's face it. The 2013 season is upon us (well...er...at least it's upon you); you've just had back-to-back wins on different continents; you're pursuing and MBA with the dream of getting as far away from the lunacy of pro cycling as is possible; you're a newlywed; you're adorably addicted to CN Forums. Now how in the world could you possibly have time to manage all your own phone calls?!

We could screen all your calls, and reply with the appropriate response. Imagine, if you will, the following scenario:

You finally win the TdF (maybe Christian gets on the SKY diet, maybe you hire Floyd for one last hurrah...whatever, these are all petty details at this point). In the immediate aftermath you are bound to be swamped with calls and text messages—inundated.

Now stay with me here!

Are you really going to be in the mood for drunken congratulations from Neil Browne at 3:00am? And what's going to happen when Lance calls in the hopes of getting an invite to the V.I.P after-party? Talk about awkward!

No problem. We've got your back. We'll handle all the details.

I'm picturing something like this:
"This is Digger, and you've just reached the voicemail of Jonathan Vaughters. Having just won the TdF, you can well imagine that he's a bit f'cking busy at the moment, so f'ck off!"

Whaddya' think?

 

[ChrisE]

Actually that was Blackcats opportunity to 'clarify' things.

My apologies, I had forgotten you, I mean forgotten that you were behind the vortex nickname, so i accidentally attributed it to someone else who would never backed up what they said.

Mark doesn't know which way is up. He even has TFF confused.

I also see what you did there. No, I will not go dig it up. Sorry.

I am also glad that you have moved on from defending Walsh taking a cheap shot at Dowsett while using kid gloves on Wiggans, mixed in with some fanboyism in this Giro. Blackcat may appear to be an easier target for your games than Benotti etal, but I doubt it seriously.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

JV, now that you've given us your digits, allow me to make a reasonable suggestion.

First off, whatever you do, don't change your number!

Secondly, consider letting The Clinic takeover all your incoming and outgoing calls as well as your voicemail. Kinda like a temp service, but free of charge. Just think of the possibilities!

Let's face it. The 2013 season is upon us (well...er...at least it's upon you); you've just had back-to-back wins on different continents; you're pursuing and MBA with the dream of getting as far away from the lunacy of pro cycling as is possible; you're a newlywed; you're adorably addicted to CN Forums. Now how in the world could you possibly have time to manage all your own phone calls?!

We could screen all your calls, and reply with the appropriate response. Imagine, if you will, the following scenario:

You finally win the TdF (maybe Christian gets on the SKY diet, maybe you hire Floyd for one last hurrah...whatever, these are all petty details at this point). In the immediate aftermath you are bound to be swamped with calls and text messages—inundated.

Now stay with me here!

Are you really going to be in the mood for drunken congratulations from Neil Browne at 3:00am? And what's going to happen when Lance calls in the hopes of getting an invite to the V.I.P after-party? Talk about awkward!

No problem. We've got your back. We'll handle all the details.

I'm picturing something like this:
"This is Digger, and you've just reached the voicemail of Jonathan Vaughters. Having just won the TdF, you can well imagine that he's a bit f'cking busy at the moment, so f'ck off!"

Whaddya' think?

I'm still trying to recover, Granville.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

Mark doesn't know which way is up. He even has TFF confused.

Agree about Mark, which is why I am sure you can see how I got you & Mark mixed up.

I also see what you did there. No, I will not go dig it up. Sorry.

I am also glad that you have moved on from defending Walsh taking a cheap shot at Dowsett while using kid gloves on Wiggans, mixed in with some fanboyism in this Giro. Blackcat may appear to be an easier target for your games than Benotti etal, but I doubt it seriously.

Blackcat got it wrong, simple as that.
I don't expect him to do your ploy of arguing they had a point yet refusing to "dig it up".

 

[blackcat]

Blackcat got it wrong, simple as that.
I don't expect him to do your ploy of arguing they had a point yet refusing to "dig it up".

BS I did not get it wrong. Either the media incorrectly framed it, we know they play a symbiotic game with the management and administrators of the sport for the "new clean cycling" message, or JV was ambiguous and allowed his point to be manipulated.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

Ive spoken to all my riders regards to their past. Not sure why you'd think otherwise?

Here's a story about Ramunas Navardauskas:

So, this kid was winning everything in the u23 ranks in france. So, what happens? everyone says he's doping. I decide to find out for myself.

So, I tell him that at some point I'm going to need to see him in girona, to chat, but I don't know when. I wait until he wins a fairly big race, send him a plane ticket and say "you need to be here tomorrow to talk"...

He arrives. Immediately off the plane we give him a blood and urine test. Then wait 4 hours, have lunch, chat, etc.... Then do a very extensive and long power test which focuses on lactate metabolism over vo2 max. Then another blood/urine test.

Results? Consistent 40% hematocrit, no traces of anything in urine. Power test reached 6w/kg. won a race the day before.... triangulation of physiological testing, hematological testing, and same time frame as race result would lead one to the conclusion that the guy was just really talented.

That's how you weed out BS performers in the conti/u23 ranks.

It cracks me up to listen to all these conti riders *****ing about how they were robbed by doping. Believe me, none of them, not one, would come close to Ramunas' test results. I get tired of guys that max out a 4.75w/kg saying they could have been great if they chose to dope, but their morals kept them from doing it. Sorry, but I doubt a guy that has a 4.75w/kg engine ever gets presented with the choice of doping, because no one would bother. So, we can't really say what their decision would have been.

Now, a guy like Darren Baker? Or Bassons? Or Scott Mercier? That's different. Those guys tested like race horses and had the correct physiology, but they were mediocre (not bad) at the top level because of prevalent doping. They were robbed. Absolutely.

Did the fact that Ramunas was trained at the UCI World Cycling Centre in Aigle, Switzerland in 2006 have any influence on your decision to hire him, despite the rumours of doping that surrounded him as an U23 rider?

 

[horsinabout]

Originally Posted by blackcat
quote 13, best you edit, you meant to quote me.

no, this was a popula refrain in cyclingnews and cycling media. RE: conversation with legaey, and an intention to dope for results.

it was what was in the media. do a cyclingnews search for vaughters, legeay, conversation, doping.

but dont tell me i am distorting things. if there is a problem with the fuzzy anecdote, it resides with vaughters massaging it, or the reporter/stenographer improperly recording it, but jv let it stand. and as he tells it, it really is not materially different, so i see no reason why he would tell the reporter to redact for accuracy, if he even checked the record.

You are distorting things.

For once I agree with Dr Maserati, and his infamous counterintuative posts.

 

[jw1979]

I think Coppi is a good analogy, because honestly I don't think the doping products of his day were that effective at modulating metabolism.

I'm fairly confident amphetamines modulate the metabolism!

 

[BroDeal]

I'm fairly confident amphetamines modulate the metabolism!

^^^ JV's younger brother.

 

[Benotti69]

^^^ JV's younger brother.

JV's husband......

 

[jw1979]

i've read through about half this thread, and at one point there was some discussion about power testing leading up to a big SR to see if one is in shape to possibly seal the deal at a GT. i don't believe any specifics were quite laid down.

JV, are there any benchmarks that Talansky, Hesjedal, Danielson, etc. shoot for? for instance, 5 hours at wide variety of paces equaling 3.75 w/kg avg followed by 30 minutes climbing at 6.2 w/kg ending at 6000' elevation?

just curious.

 

[JV1973]

i've read through about half this thread, and at one point there was some discussion about power testing leading up to a big SR to see if one is in shape to possibly seal the deal at a GT. i don't believe any specifics were quite laid down.

JV, are there any benchmarks that Talansky, Hesjedal, Danielson, etc. shoot for? for instance, 5 hours at wide variety of paces equaling 3.75 w/kg avg followed by 30 minutes climbing at 6.2 w/kg ending at 6000' elevation?

just curious.

You are getting dangerously close to how we actually evaluate riders for GTs...

 

[del1962]

You are getting dangerously close to how we actually evaluate riders for GTs...

DO you put them on a descending in the rain test too ?

 

[The Sheep]

DO you put them on a descending in the rain test too ?

He empties a water bottle on their head while their brain gets scanned.

 

[Pentacycle]

You are getting dangerously close to how we actually evaluate riders for GTs...

It is also the best indicator for real talent, instead of the usual 'impressive' lab test results. You need to prove it on the road, simulating stages like mentioned before. MTT's are very good as well. I wouldn't be surprised if Garmin's one of the few teams that have this kind of analysis.

If I were a team manager I'd first have someone analyse the strength and power a possible young signing expresses on the road, instead of U23 results only. Like BMC didn't do with Yannick Eijssen, who completely failed at the pros because of his lack of talent.(not saying he doesn't have talent)

 

[Digger]

JV, now that you've given us your digits, allow me to make a reasonable suggestion.

First off, whatever you do, don't change your number!

Secondly, consider letting The Clinic takeover all your incoming and outgoing calls as well as your voicemail. Kinda like a temp service, but free of charge. Just think of the possibilities!

Let's face it. The 2013 season is upon us (well...er...at least it's upon you); you've just had back-to-back wins on different continents; you're pursuing and MBA with the dream of getting as far away from the lunacy of pro cycling as is possible; you're a newlywed; you're adorably addicted to CN Forums. Now how in the world could you possibly have time to manage all your own phone calls?!

We could screen all your calls, and reply with the appropriate response. Imagine, if you will, the following scenario:

You finally win the TdF (maybe Christian gets on the SKY diet, maybe you hire Floyd for one last hurrah...whatever, these are all petty details at this point). In the immediate aftermath you are bound to be swamped with calls and text messages—inundated.

Now stay with me here!

Are you really going to be in the mood for drunken congratulations from Neil Browne at 3:00am? And what's going to happen when Lance calls in the hopes of getting an invite to the V.I.P after-party? Talk about awkward!

No problem. We've got your back. We'll handle all the details.

I'm picturing something like this:
"This is Digger, and you've just reached the voicemail of Jonathan Vaughters. Having just won the TdF, you can well imagine that he's a bit f'cking busy at the moment, so f'ck off!"

Whaddya' think?

Yeah considering our history, i doubt that's going to happen. After me giving him alot of sh**, he told me he wouldn't trust me to walk his dog as i'd probably eat it. Considering i own two dogs, i was of course greatly offended by this remark.

 

[Netserk]

Hi JV

How much do you think a rider would be able to dope during a GT without getting caught?

 

[DirtyWorks]

...So, I tell him that at some point I'm going to need to see him in girona, to chat, but I don't know when. I wait until he wins a fairly big race, send him a plane ticket and say "you need to be here tomorrow to talk"...

He arrives. Immediately off the plane we give him a blood and urine test. Then wait 4 hours, have lunch, chat, etc.... Then do a very extensive and long power test which focuses on lactate metabolism over vo2 max. Then another blood/urine test.

Help me out here. Wouldn't the athlete be at the "never tested positive" part of the doping cycle by big-race time? All the benefits, no AAF? In other words, a week or two before seems like the time to arrange the surprise visit. That's how I will do it when I get my pro cycling team

Secondarily, does the UCI distribute profiles with suspicious values? As you well know, some tests return a range from non-positive->suspicious->positive. Do you see all test results at that level of detail so you can see athletes possibly stacking up suspicious results?

 

[JRanton]

Wiggins back to Garmin?

Ok, question for JV...

Wiggins is out of contract at the end of this year. Let's presume Froome is Sky's leader for the Tour this year and is then also promised leadership for 2014. Would you consider taking Wiggins back to Garmin for next year if he wanted to have a crack at winning a second Tour?

Let's also make an assumption (a big one) that Wiggins is willing to ride for considerably less than he's been earning at Sky.

What say you?

 

[Granville57]

Yeah considering our history, i doubt that's going to happen.

Digger, your exchanges with JV are the stuff of legend, but let's face it, there's a lot of love in there—on both sides. A lot of love.

But this would be a team effort anyway. We'd be working in shifts. Here's another scenario:

I'm pretty sure JV's ringtone is "Let's Go" by The Cars, so let's start with that..
"I like the night life baby"

Dr. M: Hello, this is Dr. Maserati, how may I help you?

LA: Uh...I was looking for Jonathan.

Dr. M: "OK, that's a start. Jonathan "who"?

LA: Jonathan Vaughters.

Dr. M: Hmmm, you do realize that there are 27 people named "Jonathan Vaughters'" on this particular cellular provider alone, yes? Could you be more specific?

LA: I want to speak with Jonathan Vaughters of the Garmin-Sharp pro cycling team!

Dr. M: OK, and you would be...?

LA: This is Lance.

Dr. M: OK, "Lance." Do you have a last name?

LA: This is Lance f'king Armstrong! Put JV on the phone!

Dr. M: Well, "Lance Armstrong" I couldn't help but notice that your incoming Caller ID was blocked, so I have no way of verifying your claims. You'll need to call back with a verifiable number, something that can be cross-checked for accuracy.

LA: I always hide my number. That's what I do! Just ask Greg, Levi, Tyler or Betsy.

Dr. M: JV keeps his phone number stored in The Clinic. Perhaps you could provide me with a link to another forum were you keep yours so that I can verify your identity the next time you call?

LA: Do you know who I ...

Dr. M: I'm sorry, but you'll need to call back with a verifiable number.

LA: What the...Have I just been vortexed?!?!?

Dr. M: Click...




I really don't see a down side to any of this. Much like the title of this thread, the service could be called: JV's Voicemail, sort of.