JV talks, sort of

[OnTheDrops]

Analysis: Giro d’Italia Stage 10 climbing performance

http://www.cyclismas.com/2013/05/analysis-giro-ditalia-stage-10-climbing-performance/

 

[jw1979]

You are getting dangerously close to how we actually evaluate riders for GTs...

well, "dangerously close" is probably close enough to satisfy my curiosity, thanks.

 

[blackcat]

Hi JV

How much do you think a rider would be able to dope during a GT without getting caught?

well, you cant make the top 10 clean


*circa2002

 

[blackcat]

He empties a water bottle on their head while their brain gets scanned.

thats Lims thermalregulation theory innit

 

[blackcat]

Help me out here. Wouldn't the athlete be at the "never tested positive" part of the doping cycle by big-race time? All the benefits, no AAF? In other words, a week or two before seems like the time to arrange the surprise visit. That's how I will do it when I get my pro cycling team

Secondarily, does the UCI distribute profiles with suspicious values? As you well know, some tests return a range from non-positive->suspicious->positive. Do you see all test results at that level of detail so you can see athletes possibly stacking up suspicious results?

but the never test positive relates to a threshold. if jv is on the up on this, he is inferring that the testing potentially shows alot of other fuzzy markers that would be indicative of NOT NORMAL, but not a non-negative on race day

 

[blackcat]

hi jonny vee.

this female is flicking me on a fast bunch ride in the mornings, and my girlfriend is not putting out.

is this female cyclist flirting with me, and should i ask her out.

sincerely
blackcat

 

[131313]

I'm fairly confident amphetamines modulate the metabolism!

your confidence is for the most part misplaced

 

[horsinabout]

Originally Posted by blackcat View Post
quote 13, best you edit, you meant to quote me.

no, this was a popula refrain in cyclingnews and cycling media. RE: conversation with legaey, and an intention to dope for results.

it was what was in the media. do a cyclingnews search for vaughters, legeay, conversation, doping.

but dont tell me i am distorting things. if there is a problem with the fuzzy anecdote, it resides with vaughters massaging it, or the reporter/stenographer improperly recording it, but jv let it stand. and as he tells it, it really is not materially different, so i see no reason why he would tell the reporter to redact for accuracy, if he even checked the record.

You are distorting things.

I agree with Dr Masarati and his counterintuitive posts.

 

[jw1979]

your confidence is for the most part misplaced

let me defer and say that you are right, although without studies i don't know if you actually are. i should have said "i'm pretty confident it is a metaboliSM modulator". i would assume we could agree on that much.

 

[UlleGigo]

I know we're all being nice to JV by not mentioning it but, chances Ryder got a bad BB the night before the TT?

 

[ScienceIsCool]

No, I think Hesjedal genuinely went too deep into his reserves and is paying for it. In fact, that's the way it used to be for everyone pre-epo. You had to calculate and measure your efforts/recovery or you'd destroy yourself.

In fact, it made the racing that much more interesting. You couldn't go full gas every stage for three weeks! If you did you'd have no teammates going into the third week. There would even be non-decisive days where a "truce" was called by the main contenders and they'd spend the day at 30 km/hr. They had to because humans generally need some recovery after big efforts. You had to race intelligently. Conservatively. Use your teammates wisely. Not stack everyone on the front and go 60 km/hr for 8 days in a row.

I'd say that this year's Giro is the first "clean" one I've seen in decades. At least the riders are finally behaving; as they did pre-epo. Even if they've forgotten how to ride clean... <-- By that, I mean going too hard for too many days and imploding/getting sick.

John Swanson

 

[the sceptic]

Strange that Hesjedal has forgotten how to ride clean, considering he did pretty well last year.

 

[Climeon]

Hi JV
How much of your leaders tactics in a race is decided by the DS (based on e.g.the riders numbers and how he says he's feeling on the day) and how much is decided by the rider e.g. spur-of-the-moment counter attacking someone

 

[will10]

Hi JV
How much of your leaders tactics in a race is decided by the DS (based on e.g.the riders numbers and how he says he's feeling on the day) and how much is decided by the rider e.g. spur-of-the-moment counter attacking someone

I'm not JV, but there's a saying in road racing - by the time you've thought about a move, you've missed it. Sometimes the moment is just right, a lull in the pace, someone leaves a gap etc etc.

 

[Nick777]

yeah, this guy was saying I was lying about the weather being too bad to race in at ATOC 2 years ago. Which really annoyed me, for some reason... whatever. lost my temper. call me if you want.

Any idea who the guy was?

 

[weeniebeenie]

Great article by Neal Rogers:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...s-talking-about-moving-cycling-forward_287358

 

[skippy]

Has this link been exposed on the " Clinic " and if not , does it deserve it's own thread ?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...s-talking-about-moving-cycling-forward_287358

BTW , are the Mods happy with a " JW 19-- " being started ? At the moment i have to look at the number of posts to determine WHO is the commenter !

For my part i would be unhappy with a " Skipppy " or "skippi " espousing " their views , particularly on controvertial issues !

 

[frenchfry]

Great article by Neal Rogers:

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...s-talking-about-moving-cycling-forward_287358

This is just one reason why Armstrong should never be allowed to come anywhere near the sport of cycling, he in no way will contribute to a solution to the doping culture. He had (has) an uncontrollable need to manipulate every aspect including the management structure of other teams - and to eliminate anyone who even pretexts to want to clean up the sport. Personally, I don't think he can add anything further to any process, we already know what happened give or take a few details.

At the peak of Armstrong’s power, Vaughters said he had to be careful when it came to the Texan, as Armstrong had the unique authority to influence those who might be inclined to back the team. At one point, Vaughters said Armstrong sent e-mails to Slipstream Sports financial backer Doug Ellis, recommending that Ellis change the management of the team — namely, Vaughters.

 

[ElChingon]

BTW , are the Mods happy with a " JW 19-- " being started ? At the moment i have to look at the number of posts to determine WHO is the commenter !

For my part i would be unhappy with a " Skipppy " or "skippi " espousing " their views , particularly on controvertial issues !

Agreed, nobody cares though. Thinking a slew of account with similar names to others is the next sockpuppet trend.

What about Sippy?

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

What will Ashenden think of this treason.

 

[hrotha]

I sincerely hope JV knows what he's doing and is only trying to manipulate LA into nuking the UCI. LA is evil, JV. Don't ever forget that.

 

[trailrunner]

This is just one reason why Armstrong should never be allowed to come anywhere near the sport of cycling, he in no way will contribute to a solution to the doping culture. He had (has) an uncontrollable need to manipulate every aspect including the management structure of other teams - and to eliminate anyone who even pretexts to want to clean up the sport. Personally, I don't think he can add anything further to any process, we already know what happened give or take a few details.

For sure, and as the quote you supplied demonstrated, he tried to use his power and get JV kicked off his own team. When somebody does something like that to me, I remember that. I sure wouldn't be willing to forgive and forget. That's the kind of grudge I hold on to.

And I agree that his befriending people like JV is a slow, calculated way of manipulating the process and returning in one form or another.

Lance - just go away, and stay away. Maybe the local Taco Bell will hire you.

 

[python]

I sincerely hope JV knows what he's doing and is only trying to manipulate LA into nuking the UCI. LA is evil, JV. Don't ever forget that.

^^pretty much my assessment too, except i'm done being neutral on jv, his politico-pragmatic side is taking over and it smells.

i seriously doubt that jv is not aware that it's the texas fraud who will try to manipulate the thaw and not the other way around.

 

[Tinman]

Has this link been exposed on the " Clinic " and if not , does it deserve it's own thread ?

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...s-talking-about-moving-cycling-forward_287358

It probably does deserve its own thread.

As much as we despise Lance for what he has done to cycling and who he is as a person, if he can force a change in cycling doping culture, anda change in UCI doping administration practice, via facilitation by JV, then I am all for it.

The LA era is hopefully on its final legs, and if not who cares anyhow (and the USADA/legal cases will run their course regardless). The UCI curse and ongoing doping practices are still with us. Anyone that can assist in changing cycling (and doping practice) truly for the better, including Lance, is welcome. IMHO.

 

[Benotti69]

When i read this

It’s maybe not accurate to say that me and JV are having a dialogue on how to clean up the sport, per se, as we agree that cycling today is cleaner than it has been in decades, but we are trying to have, for all of us, a rational and civilized conversation, to close the chapter and help the sport move forward” Armstrong said.

It probably is very close to the truth. MonkeyMouth is using Vaughter's to try and leverage a way for him to get back competing.

JV is being used here. Whether JV thinks he is too smart to get used appears has been disproved by the fact that JV has sat down and talked with Monkey Mouth, the guy who has point blankly refused to do the sport a favour and hand McQuaid and Verbruggens heads up in the name of improving the sport and giving it a chance to clean up.

That MonkeyMouth has not done this of his own freewill shows that the sociopath is still trying to manipulate the situation to his advantage.

The preconditions have already been laid down by Tygart. Monkey Mouth is avoding that, thinking JV can get him back in the game.

Well JV that you sat down with MM is another big black mark on your copy book for me. Should have given him Tygarts number and told him stop being a chimp and to be a man.