JV talks, sort of

[BroDeal]

yeah, they only had Floyd to dinner because they had free vouchers to Chipotle

Floyd probably would have preferred a job over a free burrito.

 

[blackcat]

I don't think sport needs PED's, in fact in some cases the racing would be more entertaining without them, i.e., less robotic and predictable. And the added bonus without the need for extreme weight loss and/or muscularity etc. and possible heath implications for the athletes.

But the reason why PED's are there is to ensure that you win, get a head and stay ahead of the game. And this, as entertainment, keeps the fans and the sponsors happy. It is a perversion of what sport is though, because it is cheating. Unless you believe LA that it was still an equal playing field despite PEDS.

Socially sport has become more professional and more for entertainment, with less people doing sport for it's own sake. And at the other end you have sport as for fitness i.e. charity cycle and running and the marathon running craze.

we have already had this discourse.

cycling was better when only half a dozen made the bottom of the final ascent on the Queen stage together, and would fight it out for the podium, and if you went too deep, you would feel it the next days, for other mtn finishes or tts. so you needed to dose your effort, not dose your recovery drugs and oxygen vectors.

but then again, cycling was never without any enhancement. but it got to a stage when the pharmaceuticals were so effective, it became more about THE medical program, and less the legs

 

[blackcat]

Floyd probably would have preferred a job over a free burrito.

where?

Garmin Slipstream or behind the grill at Chipotle?

 

[horsinabout]

we have already had this discourse.

but then again, cycling was never without any enhancement. but it got to a stage when the pharmaceuticals were so effective, it became more about THE medical program, and less the legs

I know....

More critical thinking then.

Just because this happens doesn't mean you can't discuss the why's and where fore on doping.

Take doping in tennis, it has almost made players too equal to each other and the match never ends because no one gets tired and cracks up.

 

[Benotti69]

vaughter's latest

This is oh so Vaughters'.

Most cycling fans liked Walsh, Kimmage and Floyd.

It was the Armstrong brigade who didn't but hey that doesn't stop JV bathing himself as the righteous who swam against the tide and was proven right.

Hey JV, give Floyd a job, like CVV, DZ, TD, RH et al. Make him a DS.

 

[UlleGigo]

I think JV is simply a publicity *****. Nothing more nothing less. Just attaching himself to the latest burning light.

That's not to say its a bad thing for JV, Garmin, or cycling. JV is not contrary, that much is obvious, but he's even further from washing the feet of the fallen.

 

[goggalor]

vaughter's latest

A true anti-doping hero...even though he says so himself.

 

[rata de sentina]

This is oh so Vaughters'.

Most cycling fans liked Walsh, Kimmage and Floyd.

I would hardly equate "most cycling fans" with the clinic and I don't think JV is directing that here. Anyway you don't like them because they're too moderate

 

[Zam_Olyas]

 

[blackcat]

I remember this: Srry, just cant get over that he he.

sideboards, or the johnny depp pirates of caribbean eyepatch?

 

[blackcat]

A true anti-doping hero...even though he says so himself.

is not that like, if you have power, you dont need to mention it, if you are smart, you do not need to brag, and, some of my best friends are black/arab/muslim/asian... ergo, i m not a racist.

BS.

dont need to be a pr agent. you let your actions deal with $hit.

 

[blackcat]

This is oh so Vaughters'.

Most cycling fans liked Walsh, Kimmage and Floyd.

It was the Armstrong brigade who didn't but hey that doesn't stop JV bathing himself as the righteous who swam against the tide and was proven right.

Hey JV, give Floyd a job, like CVV, DZ, TD, RH et al. Make him a DS.

nah, prefer to give contador a job.

 

[blackcat]

I think JV is simply a publicity wh0re. Nothing more nothing less. Just attaching himself to the latest burning light.

That's not to say its a bad thing for JV, Garmin, or cycling. JV is not contrary, that much is obvious, but he's even further from washing the feet of the fallen.

i am about the biggest anti-jv troll in The Clinic 12, but you underrate jonny. he brings more to the table than just pr. he offers a new model, and possibility, and potential. i dont think the rhetoric necessarily meets the action, but in terms of the sport on the continent, he offers a new model and potential. little like barry obama, long on rhetoric, short on delivering. but you gotta start somewhere eh.

 

[thehog]

i am about the biggest anti-jv troll in The Clinic 12, but you underrate jonny. he brings more to the table than just pr. he offers a new model, and possibility, and potential. i dont think the rhetoric necessarily meets the action, but in terms of the sport on the continent, he offers a new model and potential. little like barry obama, long on rhetoric, short on delivering. but you gotta start somewhere eh.

JV used to sell houses. Once he realised that you could sell "anti-doping" and not even have to win a bike races he'd won - a lot. Everything else in between is just words. He will go on and on and on and on and on.

 

[blackcat]

JV used to sell houses. Once he realised that you could sell "anti-doping" and not even have to win a bike races he'd won - a lot. Everything else in between is just words. He will go on and on and on and on and on.

jv was not selling houses. he just had his wife pregnant in boulder. he wanted to be back in CO.

thats right innit JV.

it was just as much about family and walking away from Legeay and CA and the phat contract, your words. not about cycling, not about anti doping, not about cash from CA. it was a good life decision. to be at home, and have a family.

but it is easier to sell for good PR to do the walking away thing. But JV, not selling houses. JV, having a family, and settle in Boulder.

Too easy for people in the Clinic to miss forest for the trees, and read all the PR from all mouthpieces as gospel.

use your brains folks.

me, i say daft things. lots of daft things. some incorrect daft things. no outright lies (or things i know not as the truth). but think wrt to having his children in Boulder, good decision, respect for that. No Shawn Kemp baby mommmas.

 

[thehog]

jv was not selling houses. he just had his wife pregnant in boulder. he wanted to be back in CO.

thats right innit JV.

it was just as much about family and walking away from Legeay and CA and the phat contract, your words. not about cycling, not about anti doping, not about cash from CA. it was a good life decision. to be at home, and have a family.

but it is easier to sell for good PR to do the walking away thing. But JV, not selling houses. JV, having a family, and settle in Boulder.

Too easy for people in the Clinic to miss forest for the trees, and read all the PR from all mouthpieces as gospel.

use your brains folks.

me, i say daft things. lots of daft things. some incorrect daft things. no outright lies (or things i know not as the truth). but think wrt to having his children in Boulder, good decision, respect for that. No Shawn Kemp baby mommmas.

He was an estate agent when he retired from the sport.

Learnt the trade of selling dreams.

And yes you do say incorrect things.

He's doing an MBA.

Not quite playing happy families.

Plotting his next power play one can assume.

 

[blackcat]

He was an estate agent when he retired from the sport.

Learnt the trade of selling dreams.

And yes you do say incorrect things.

He's doing an MBA.

Not quite playing happy families.

Plotting his next power play one can assume.

BS Hog.

you are using "real estate license" as ad hominem, selling houses.

he retired from cycling. he did a gig for his gap year, when he returned to boulder. as if he was selling houses for a career. still needs to pay the bills. if he had not been in europe, he would not be doing his finishing school with an mba.

you can distort the narrative with the facts. yeah, he sold houses, yeah, he did/doing, mba classes. but i think that is below him and he has higher ambition than sales commissions. you can disagree.

i am more concerned with the cycling actions that cannot be reconciled to hifalutin rhetoric.

 

[hiero2]

Without delving deeper into the back-thread -

thehog - ok - you said your bit, you think JV is an unadulterated opportunist.

Blackcat - you've said your bit - you think JV might be what he claims to be, and he might have a moral bone in his body.

Enough. Points made, thank you. Discontinue further scrapping, thank you.

 

[hiero2]

we have already had this discourse.
. . .
but then again, cycling was never without any enhancement. but it got to a stage when the pharmaceuticals were so effective, it became more about THE medical program, and less the legs

The bold section is pretty much what horsin was sayin'. Which means that the disrespectful first section "we have already had this discourse" doesn't stand. Ok - I get it. Horsin has a point - it's been made before - it is still valid - and you actually support it to some degree.

Good. Glad to hear it.

 

[blackcat]

The bold section is pretty much what horsin was sayin'. Which means that the disrespectful first section "we have already had this discourse" doesn't stand. Ok - I get it. Horsin has a point - it's been made before - it is still valid - and you actually support it to some degree.

Good. Glad to hear it.

what is your point hiero?

Horsin in a johnny come lately.

I have said that line, about a dozen times. cycling was better when it was a true competition, and less a biochemical competition

tho ricco and cav, they are some mighty entertainment. but GC in July. It does not work. dont call me disrespectful. it was horsin who pulled the first punch. dont you throw low blows towards me, calling me Hoggy? mods not above/beneath that?

 

[UlleGigo]

i am about the biggest anti-jv troll in The Clinic 12, but you underrate jonny. he brings more to the table than just pr. he offers a new model, and possibility, and potential. i dont think the rhetoric necessarily meets the action, but in terms of the sport on the continent, he offers a new model and potential. little like barry obama, long on rhetoric, short on delivering. but you gotta start somewhere eh.

Yeah. You're right. There is more to him than simple PR. But I didn't mean to suggest I believed his antics were bereft of any method or forethought. What I should have said is that, I simply don't believe a word JV says. But none of us do. So that's a bit bland. What's worse is that JV is just like us. But even that's old hat.

Telling us how bad it was and how great it is now when nothing has changed is something new I guess. In that respect JV is an innovator.

Its strange to me but funnily enough I have nothing against JV. He seems earnest enough for a shill. Maybe's its his willingness to get down and dirty in the clinic. I don't know.

 

[horsinabout]

To have a guess at why JV frequents the clinic would be to assume he is having some fun in selling his used cars for anyone who wants to view or buy one. Although far too much is being made of his presence in the clinic, if indeed he is here at all.

Just a friendly call out to Hero2. I can fight my own battles thanks.

I did not take BC's "we have already had this discourse" to be disrespectful, I actually thought it was a contradiction in relation to the other part of the post, that is all!

 

[hiero2]

To have a guess at why JV frequents the clinic would be to assume he is having some fun in selling his used cars for anyone who wants to view or buy one. Although far too much is being made of his presence in the clinic, if indeed he is here at all.

Just a friendly call out to Hero2. I can fight my own battles thanks.

I did not take BC's "we have already had this discourse" to be disrespectful, I actually thought it was a cotradiction in relation to the other part of the post, that is all!

I'm glad to hear all that! I was concerned that it would appear to other readers to be an attack. I like blackcat myself - or more accurately I appreciate his posts, but he has said himself, publicly in these forums, he doesn't edit what he writes. The conversation looked to be getting a little tense - and I thought it would be better to toss out a word or two "to the wise".

JV does apparently still visit on occasion, but it is my understanding he first showed up because he was invited by CN to take part in that "Ask JV" thread some time back. I don't think he was a member before that. I could look up his join date - but I'm working at the mo.

 

[Netserk]

JV has been here since 2009.

It is indeed the real JV. I can confirm that with a 100% certainty.

 

[horsinabout]

JV has been here since 2009.

It is indeed the real JV. I can confirm that with a 100% certainty.

Woops......sorry JV. My comments on used car salesman stuff really refers to the nature of your posts.

I am an incurable sceptic when it comes to anti doping in cycling. I will need more convincing that doping is playing less of an effective part in the sport, it's just not realistic.

I think just more honesty would go further to pacify me than any anti doping strategy.