JV talks, sort of

[Boeing]

JV If you are here man I missed the q&a and want to know about the side burns and how the turtle-necks and sports coats work in July?

 

[weeniebeenie]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

 

[taiwan]

How about a critic of critics, weenie?

 

[blackcat]

I did not take BC's "we have already had this discourse" to be disrespectful, I actually thought it was a cotradiction in relation to the other part of the post, that is all!

no no. not a contradiction horsinabout.

1. i think cycling would be a better spectator sport, sans the last 2 decade epoch of doping. because the sport was fought out on the final climbs by genuine contendors and not domestiques riding tempo.
2. i dont think cycling can turn back, doping has always existed, by now it has been surpassed, or transcended, by the dope. by ferrari and the preparatores.

 

[blackcat]

Telling us how bad it was and how great it is now when nothing has changed is something new I guess. In that respect JV is an innovator.

you reckon. this refrain has been consistent every since festina.

armstrong ushered in the new clean era.

the schlecks father spoke to pat mcquaid.

about the only man, with a semblance of integrity on this issue, is Riis. he wont play your game. (nb generic, not referring to ullegigo)

Its strange to me but funnily enough I have nothing against JV. He seems earnest enough for a shill. Maybe's its his willingness to get down and dirty in the clinic. I don't know.

yeah, respect to to stepping into the cesspit that is The Clinic 12. I concede, he has won me around. I still dont think the rhetoric meets the road, but eh, atleast he dares to go where no other does. <thumbup for that, and DearWiggo is mega p!ssed with me right about now>

 

[blackcat]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

writing from victorian era muscular christianity chariots of fire motivational script.


but i agree to an extent with what you say about jv.

tho i am concerned about the ideals and words, not being fulfilled, and subject to expediency. because this is a slippery slope, and you get where you intended on avoiding.

 

[Dear Wiggo]

yeah, respect to to stepping into the cesspit that is The Clinic 12. I concede, he has won me around. I still dont think the rhetoric meets the road, but eh, at least he dares to go where no other does. <thumbup for that, and DearWiggo is mega ****ed with me right about now>

I have no feelings for JV - good or bad - but his words do not pass the smell test. And his manipulation in here to silence people is rank.

It's a shame even you get me mixed up with haters, Blackcat.

What another person feels for JV - and there are some blind fans - means nothing to me at all. When it clouds their critical thinking, then I am sad.

 

[blackcat]

JV does apparently still visit on occasion, but it is my understanding he first showed up because he was invited by CN to take part in that "Ask JV" thread some time back. I don't think he was a member before that. I could look up his join date - but I'm working at the mo.

we can make jonny vee an honorary member of The Clinic 12

 

[blackcat]

I have no feelings for JV - good or bad - but his words do not pass the smell test. And his manipulation in here to silence people is rank.

It's a shame even you get me mixed up with haters, Blackcat.

What another person feels for JV - and there are some blind fans - means nothing to me at all. When it clouds their critical thinking, then I am the sad.

@ facetious DW. I am in your corner dude you know that.

 

[DirtyWorks]

I'll delete this if it hasn't been posted already. Creepy.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...s-talking-about-moving-cycling-forward_287358

 

[hiero2]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Ahem. It is BAD manners to not attribute a quote. You need this text added to your post: ~~~Teddy Roosevelt, 1910

 

[hiero2]

I'll delete this if it hasn't been posted already. Creepy.

That IS creepy. I reckon JV has a mind, and gives all this a thought, or maybe two, but this? Well, I can hear his reasoning, and even understand it. But this is still wierd.

 

[BroDeal]

It is not the critic who counts; not the man who points out how the strong man stumbles, or where the doer of deeds could have done them better. The credit belongs to the man who is actually in the arena, whose face is marred by dust and sweat and blood; who strives valiantly; who errs, who comes short again and again, because there is no effort without error and shortcoming; but who does actually strive to do the deeds; who knows great enthusiasms, the great devotions; who spends himself in a worthy cause; who at the best knows in the end the triumph of high achievement, and who at the worst, if he fails, at least fails while daring greatly, so that his place shall never be with those cold and timid souls who neither know victory nor defeat.

Long winded, highfalutin excuse for failure.

 

[weeniebeenie]

Ahem. It is BAD manners to not attribute a quote. You need this text added to your post: ~~~Teddy Roosevelt, 1910

I will apologise to Teddy on our next safari.

 

[horsinabout]

no no. not a contradiction horsinabout.

1. i think cycling would be a better spectator sport, sans the last 2 decade epoch of doping. because the sport was fought out on the final climbs by genuine contendors and not domestiques riding tempo.
2. i dont think cycling can turn back, doping has always existed, by now it has been surpassed, or transcended, by the dope. by ferrari and the preparatores.

No no Misunderstood.

Got argument 1 & 2 you are repeating yourself.

 

[blackcat]

Ahem. It is BAD manners to not attribute a quote. You need this text added to your post: ~~~Teddy Roosevelt, 1910

sounded british

 

[blackcat]

I'll delete this if it hasn't been posted already. Creepy.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2013...s-talking-about-moving-cycling-forward_287358

Prance is enjoying it. Sheryl might have her tongue inserted

 

[UlleGigo]

you reckon. this refrain has been consistent every since festina.

armstrong ushered in the new clean era.

the schlecks father spoke to pat mcquaid.

about the only man, with a semblance of integrity on this issue, is Riis. he wont play your game. (nb generic, not referring to ullegigo)

Yeah. True. Maybe its just that that shtick wears thin before the paint is dry these days so its just that much more tiresome. The lies aren't really even bothersome these days. Maybe I'm mellowing with age but it all just seems pathetic. The lies not the sport. Really it says a lot about the quality of cycling as a sport that it can sustain so many scumbags.

You're right about Riis also. 100% No lies about the lies just the lies. His no nonsense approach to the nonsense is admirable.

 

[hiero2]

I will apologise to Teddy on our next safari.

I'm sure he will appreciate that, but the forumites, and the forum, are the ones who deserve any apology. It's noted in the rules (attribute and link properly), and, I think, in most netiquette pages for forums/boards. FYI.

I like the quote - and your sense of humor.

 

[DirtyWorks]

the schlecks father spoke to pat mcquaid.

A reminder that Dad Schleck was a pro. He should have ridden about the same time as McQuaid too. I could be wrong about that.

IMHO, Dad Schleck would have many, many cycling resources from which to draw upon.

 

[weeniebeenie]

I'm sure he will appreciate that, but the forumites, and the forum, are the ones who deserve any apology. It's noted in the rules (attribute and link properly), and, I think, in most netiquette pages for forums/boards. FYI.

I like the quote - and your sense of humor.

Thanks and apologies to the forumites. I didn't realise about the etiquette. This is the first forum I've been on. Thanks for the heads up.

 

[BroDeal]

Ahem. It is BAD manners to not attribute a quote. You need this text added to your post: ~~~Teddy Roosevelt, 1910

That quote gets tossed around so much it does not need an attribution.

 

[dsut4392]

That quote gets tossed around so much it does not need an attribution.

Yeah even Wiggo knows it and has used it, although "bone idle w******" was taking paraphrasing to a new level

 

[blackcat]

Yeah. True. Maybe its just that that shtick wears thin before the paint is dry these days so its just that much more tiresome. The lies aren't really even bothersome these days. Maybe I'm mellowing with age but it all just seems pathetic. The lies not the sport. Really it says a lot about the quality of cycling as a sport that it can sustain so many scumbags.

You're right about Riis also. 100% No lies about the lies just the lies. His no nonsense approach to the nonsense is admirable.

i dont know if that is your line to be quoted, but it is worthy to be pinched and plagiarised. <thumbsup> sounds colloquial english, more so australian, i go an orginal extrapolation of metaphor.

but agree with the post/good post.

 

[blackcat]

A reminder that Dad Schleck was a pro. He should have ridden about the same time as McQuaid too. I could be wrong about that.

IMHO, Dad Schleck would have many, many cycling resources from which to draw upon.

i know that. (but this was re: a phone call, or a catch-up with Pat when Schleck snr was driving the VIP cars for CSC (for Riis). And I call BS on the conversation if indeed it ever existed. They both knew the Schleck boys were a product of the hypodermic

papa Schleck had to pull strings to get Frank a ride. nothing remarkable in his espoir career with De Nardi in Italy.

phone call to Riis got him the final spot on CSC when the deal with Ullrich fell through i believe, that Team Coast/Bianchi contract when he was negotiating with Riis...