JV talks, sort of

[More Strides than Rides]

His performance on stage 9 was not impressive.

Releasing the power data would only make that more obvious. Not something teams and athletes want

 

[kingjr]

Sorry to be nieve here but why would releasing the power data ruin his chances of winning another race ?

Skybots can now analyse it or it show he is doping (I have no idea if it does or not) ? Sorry bit confused here..

I think he was being ironic with regards to Brailsfords comment that he wouldn't really like to publish his riders SRM data.

"There's been a lot of debate about whether we should release power data and SRM data, but there's also a question of interpretation. Believe you me, interpreting power data is not as simple as it seems. We find a lot of variation in the data we collect ourselves and some of it is quite hard to understand, so I think it would have to be done by a panel of experts recognised by everyone as being fair and whose opinion collectively we will buy into.

"I think that would be a positive thing because then you would have people who would interpret data and give an independent, objective view, as against maybe giving the nuances of how we train or what we would consider to be some of our areas of competitive advantage."

 

[Ferminal]

Sorry to be nieve here but why would releasing the power data ruin his chances of winning another race ?

Skybots can now analyse it or it show he is doping (I have no idea if it does or not) ? Sorry bit confused here..

One of the reasons cited for everyone not releasing data is that it would reveal secrets in a rider's performances which would allow others to figure out strategies to defeat them. I can only assume that Movistar do not agree with that view, except that it's probably the reason for showing Stage 9 not Stage 8.

His performance on stage 9 was not impressive.

Releasing the power data would only make that more obvious. Not something teams and athletes want

Of course it wasn't impressive, he never went 100% for more than 5 seconds.

 

[Pulpstar]

Surely you can't work out much from power data alone. Combine it with Heart rate data and you might giving away 'secrets'.

 

[red_flanders]

It's all just noise to distract from the simple truth. Have an independent 3rd party who is responsible for aniti-doping monitor the powermeters and it's a done deal. We don't need to see the data 'till after the race. They need to see it in real-time.

The technology isn't the issue, it's the organizational structure of the sport. But that's not really news I guess...

 

[Benotti69]

Surely you can't work out much from power data alone. Combine it with Heart rate data and you might giving away 'secrets'.

Giving out data wouldn't feed the internet scientists anymore than the 3 blogs working out climbing data.

Brailsford is scared that someone like a Dr Ashenden would be asked to analyse the data by a big media company and then the questions put to them about the data would be legitimate and they would have to prove how they achieved the data without doping and that is impossible for the likes of Froome, Wiggins and Porte.

 

[thehog]

Giving out data wouldn't feed the internet scientists anymore than the 3 blogs working out climbing data.

Brailsford is scared that someone like a Dr Ashenden would be asked to analyse the data by a big media company and then the questions put to them about the data would be legitimate and they would have to prove how they achieved the data without doping and that is impossible for the likes of Froome, Wiggins and Porte.

In a galaxy far far away there's the results of a test. Switzerland. Aigle. The dawg's numbers under lock and key.

JV said so. Apparently the numbers unlock the secret of the Dawg.

The legend of Dawg.

 

[Alphabet]

If they're worried about 'internet scientists' jumping to conclusions and defaming them, why not supply their data directly to Ashenden and allow him to publish his findings if he sees something strange?

They have something to hide.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

In a galaxy far far away there's the results of a test. Switzerland. Aigle. The dawg's numbers under lock and key.

JV said so. Apparently the numbers unlock the secret of the Dawg.

The legend of Dawg.

Those 'numbers' are no secret. Movistar has them, Saxo has them, Belkin has them, BMC has them, AG2R, etc etc. Every team with a rider on the foot of the Bonascre knows the score. Why dont they release their data for that stage?

On the other hand, why do you think Movistar has released Valverde's SRM file? Too bad it was for the wrong stage but it is a clear saying: ''we know what you did last saturday''.

 

[LesCombes]

In the early days of SRM, some domestiques held a small unit which collected specific SRM data of rival teams. Just pick up their ANT signal and there you have it. Including heart rates, you name it.

I assume that's no longer possible these days, but don't underestimate the data they have in their hands.

 

[Race Radio]

In the early days of SRM, some domestiques held a small unit which collected specific SRM data of rival teams. Just pick up their ANT signal and there you have it. Including heart rates, you name it.

I assume that's no longer possible these days, but don't underestimate the data they have in their hands.

Really?

SRM was all wired until a 2008, 20 years after it was founded

 

[sniper]

In a galaxy far far away there's the results of a test. Switzerland. Aigle. The dawg's numbers under lock and key.

JV said so. Apparently the numbers unlock the secret of the Dawg.

The legend of Dawg.

Here's some numbers.

Jonathan Vaughters
RT @ammattipyoraily: @Vaughters Chris Froome: 38 min 22 sec, 22.75 Kph, VAM 1605 m/h, 5.93 W/kg....Once again, 5.9 w/kg.

Paul Jakma
@Vaughters @ammattipyoraily You can't say people are cleaner with these figures, only that, IF there's still doping, they're being clever.

Jonathan Vaughters
@pjakma @ammattipyoraily Being clever by riding more slowly?

Paul Jakma
@Vaughters Yes. By staying plausible. Just a tiny tiny boost over the best "naturals" could be enough. @ammattipyoraily
Details

Jonathan Vaughters
@pjakma @ammattipyoraily Get your point. My point is this: 5.9 is plausible and possible for a highly talented and well trained rider.

 

[Mr.38%]

Really?

Yes, really! This is the actual device they were using back in the days (mini antenna not pictured):

 

[the sceptic]

So Dan Martin is about 6 minutes behind Froome after one MTF and a short ITT

JV your clean guys are getting destroyed. This is like Armstrong all over again
Please say something more than "i just dont know"

 

[sniper]

So Dan Martin is about 6 minutes behind Froome after one MTF and a short ITT

JV your clean guys are getting destroyed. This is like Armstrong all over again
Please say something more than "i just dont know"

JV is happy. He's said that plenty of times.
And why wouldn't he be?
He's the laughing third in all this. Garmin might get their asses kicked on a day like this, but they're getting more than enough wins to keep the sponsors happy. And without raising any eyebrowes. As if Hesjedal 2012 never happened.

 

[More Strides than Rides]

So Dan Martin is about 6 minutes behind Froome after one MTF and a short ITT

JV your clean guys are getting destroyed. This is like Armstrong all over again
Please say something more than "i just dont know"

I understand the temptation to call things armstrong-esque lately, but its just not true. We may have one guy 3:30 ahead of the rest, or 6' ahead of the "barometer", but thats just it. One guy in the vanguard. Everyone else is scattered appropriately in the results. Even in a 100% clean peleton, the Dan Martins and Talanskys of the world will be a few minutes off by now, they're just not that good.

 

[Benotti69]

Yeah it aint like JV has not been here before.

If he wasn't happy wouldn't he tell his 12 mates in here

 

[sniper]

Shannon Sovndal thinks cyclists are an "impressive feat of physiology and medicine".
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pkXt104wIws
(1min25)
that's reassuring.
seriously, can't we throw those doctors out?

 

[DirtyWorks]

... Just pick up their ANT signal and there you have it. Including heart rates, you name it.

Further to Race Radio's comment, nope. Unless you are talking about seeing it in a movie, the communication protocol doesn't work like that.

 

[Fatclimber]

Further to Race Radio's comment, nope. Unless you are talking about seeing it in a movie, the communication protocol doesn't work like that.

Not to mention the fact that if you have to be close enough to the targeted rider for that contraption to work, what more do you need to know other than you're keeping up with him?

 

[Arnout]

JV is happy. He's said that plenty of times.
And why wouldn't he be?
He's the laughing third in all this. Garmin might get their asses kicked on a day like this, but they're getting more than enough wins to keep the sponsors happy. And without raising any eyebrowes. As if Hesjedal 2012 never happened.

He didn't seem to be too happy after Ax-3-Domaines...

 

[sniper]

He didn't seem to be too happy after Ax-3-Domaines...

you mean the 'i don't know' tweet?

Ax-3-D was so obvious, 'I don't know' was the diplomatic answer. After all, JV is still looking to retain the anti-doping-crusader label that people have put on him, so he won't be playing the 'let's put the blinders on' game that e.g. david walsh is currently playing.
in terms of politics and PR, JV is unchallenged out there at the moment.

if JV ever admits that doping is still rife, he'd have to explain how his own riders keep coming up with worldclass results (hesjedal 2012, martin 2013) not to mention the light it would shed on wiggo 2009 retrospectively. so my guess is he'll play the 'I'm happy' and 'it's so much cleaner now' cards for years to come and he'll avoid talking about sky as much as possible.

 

[Alphabet]

There's also the law to consider. If he says anything about Sky then they could Lance him for millions.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Lol, Dan Martin dropped like a club rider by the squeaky clean Dawg.

+2,36 just like the other amateurs in the race.

 

[Parrulo]

Hey JV is happy his riders win every once in awhile, read when Froome/Sky's A team isn't around, so who cares.