Look at me, I am a Vegan! Can I persuade you to become one too?

[craig1985]

Did she change her name legally by deedpoll or is that just a pseudonym that she uses?

 

[Michielveedeebee]

yeah million dollar homes ftw!

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Those of you who have Durianrider on ignore, but are still interested in the topic, there's a pretty cool documentary movie coming out called Forks Over Knives, about eating a plant based, whole food diet. I wrote about this elsewhere, but thought this would be a good place to post about it. I was lucky enough to see an advanced screening. Here's the website with a good trailer for it.

The 80/10/10 book by Douglas Graham goes over a very similar diet. But if you look around enough you'll find out the diet isn't for everyone.

Also, there's a guy named Dan McDonald who is trying to bike across the western US on mostly a raw food diet. He used to be a body builder, and had a lot of health problems. Unlike Durian, Dan is very modest, and often puzzled why people pay so much attention to him, often calling himself a "nobody". He has a website, and some YouTube videos, mostly blog like. If you're looking for a jolt like Durian gives people, Dan isn't the guy, but his story is inspiring.

Lots of other ways of improving your diet, all the way up to raw/vegan if you want to try it, without having to be guilted into it, or have to deal with someone else's superiority complex or narcissism on the topic.

 

[Archibald]

Any word about this being shown outside the US/Canada?

 

[durianrider]

#@Craig. The last vo2 max I did I hit 78, weighed 66kg and had a peak power of 421.

Im fitter now based on running and climbing times.

#Im doing a story for New Idea magazine. They said 'will pay 1000$ for a 1 week exclusive story..' I said 'thats sweet but have you seen the price of bananas lately?!' They said 'ok 2000$!' I said 'sold! gimme the details..'.

Seems like there is more than one way to skin a banana.

Dan the Man is a cool dude. Will be sharing a house with him in NYC in a few weeks. I hope he doesnt blow his glycogen levels out the door each day on his bike tour though! That makes life tuff!

I did a youtube vid for Dan about the importance of getting enough carbs so we wake up each day with full glycogen stocks so life is sweeter.
http://youtu.be/XJgyY6hdf0k

 

[Archibald]

Seems like there is more than one way to skin a banana.

start at either end?

 

[robertocarlos]

Now don't be squeamish BroDeal. 3rd world vegans don't have the luxury of running water to wash their food. On the other hand 3rd world meat eaters tuck into heart, liver, kidney, brains, eyeballs, noses, ears, hoofs and stomach linings. And that's after it has been hanging in the midday sun at the local butcher with only the flies for company. Take your pick.

i was born and raised in a third world country and we cooked that, so i will take the cooked meat.

 

[durianrider]

Now this is a really tuff one..Im not sure what Id prefer to eat...the dog food or this?

Its a tofu burger. Looks like what we got conditioned to believe was food. Tastes better and is better for your athletic performance, health and the planet. Sounds like win win win to me. As we all live in 2011 and all of us here have access to healthier, tastier and more sustainable options I feel its our responsibility as adults to chose right.

 

[flyor64]

Its a tofu burger. Looks like what we got conditioned to believe was food. Tastes better and is better for your athletic performance, health and the planet.

Now that's funny right there...I don't care who you are

 

[Granville57]

Im not sure what Id prefer to eat...

If only nature were as smart as you. The world would be a perfect place.

 

[Captain Serious]

Its a tofu burger. Looks like what we got conditioned to believe was food. Tastes better and is better for your athletic performance, health and the planet. Sounds like win win win to me.]

You'd probably be better off eating dod food than soy, coz soy is crap and dangerous.

The fermented soy that's been consumed in Asian commuties for years is a far cry from the non-fermented, processed and potentially harmful rubbish that's pedalled as healthfood in Western countries.

http://www.naturalnews.com/022630.html

"The soy industry is one of the world's most wealthy and powerful multi-billion dollar industries. Despite an impressive array of scientific evidence that soy is not a fit food for man nor beast, the soy marketing mastodon has marched through the American market like Sherman through Georgia - and likely doing about as much damage as Sherman's Union Army did. In our opinion, the widespread use of non-fermented soy is part of the chronic disease problem since soy is known to wreak havoc with the human thyroid and other hormone systems"
http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

 

[Captain Serious]

While I can bothered typing....(I'll probably regret this coz I can't be stuffed responding).....

People choosing not to eat animals for whatever moral reason they think they have at certain times of their life is one thing, but to suggest that it's unnatural or not our instinct to ever wanna kill something for food or warmth is b0llocks. Our true instincts only surface when we're under pressure.

For example, if Mr Gronk the caveman has a missus (or a few missuseses? ) and three hungry and cold kids, none of whom haven't had a decent meal in a week (and they're all nagging him), and sees a 'cute' cow wander passed his cave door, what do we reckon his 'natural instincts' be? Do we reckon he'd turn to Mrs Gronk and say: "oh, honey, look at that beautiful poweful animal with it's nice eyes and placid demeanour; how could anyone ever harm such a wonderous beast?", or would he grab his spear and homemade sledgehammer, kill the cow as quickly as he could; cook it up; feed himself and his family, then make some cool jackets out of its hide? My guess is the latter, and he'd have no qualms about it, in fact, he'd enjoy it.

If I may quote myself: "Morals are a luxury for the full of belly."
Even the World's most 'carnivorous carnivores' -- let's say, lions -- will "instinctively" let you walk right on by if they've just stuffed themselves full of 20kg of raw gazelle meat.

Who remembers those cute, dainty bikini models on Survivor who slaughtered that wild hog coz they were starving? Ha! Zing!

 

[Granville57]

You'd probably be better off eating dod food than soy, coz soy is crap and dangerous.

Soy is also one of the most common genetically altered "foods."

Genetically modified soy plants are a huge risk to our health, the health of our planet, and of our future generations.
http://www.vegan-nutritionista.com/genetically-modified-soy.html

People choosing not to eat animals for whatever moral reason they think they have at certain times of their life is one thing...

I love the fact that the above photo montage touts, "Don't eat animals" while depicting Polar Bears, Lions, Cats and Dogs...all of which eat other animals.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

The fermented soy that's been consumed in Asian commuties for years is a far cry from the non-fermented, processed and potentially harmful rubbish that's pedaled as healthfood in Western countries.

I would agree with this, from experience actually. Being 99% vegetarian I thought for a while I needed to get plenty of protein, and soy was a good source. Well, after a decade I stopped eating it by about 95%. I rarely eat it, except in Asian restaurants, or soy nuts. Part of the reason why is that if you look at what's done with it, it's hardly food! Most soy you see in "health" food is either processed with a lot of wheat gluten and other items into "burgers" (Boca, Morningstar, Amy's, etc.), or in various energy bars and drinks where it's in the form of soy protein isolate. I'm not going to list the dangers of consuming large quantities of that, I'll let you look it up. Suffice to say, I don't think it's food. A carrot is food, a potato is food, I'd even say free range meat or open water fish is food. Heck, cheese and yogurt are much closer to being food than soy protein isolate or soy/gluten burgers.

I'm also convinced that I don't need that much protein. I did as a boy growing up, but now, being almost 50, I need less. Probably about 15% of my diet will do it. I get plenty just eating regular food. Rice, nuts, seeds, even fruits and veggies, and yes, some yogurt and cheese or fish once in a great while. I have to eat it at the right intervals, and the right mix, but it works well. I gain less weight, feel better, etc.

Processed soy is crap. More than a small amount of this non-food item is probably as unhealthy as eating a slab of pork or a double grilled cheese sandwich.

 

[Tapeworm]

Have we seen this? DaveZ's Vegan TDF attempt (... apart from the fish )

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...4184873028.html?mod=WSJ_LifeStyle_Lifestyle_5

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

He's got Levi beat then. At least I think. I believe Levi will eat some meat/dairy as long as it's free range or local. I think it's packaged or refined food that he won't eat.

Someone should interview the guy and ask him about this.

 

[Granville57]

Have we seen this? DaveZ's Vegan TDF attempt

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB100...4184873028.html?mod=WSJ_LifeStyle_Lifestyle_5

There's this discsussion going on in the "Professional road racing" sub-forum
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=14261

Someone should interview the guy and ask him about this.

Who, Levi? I'd sooner interview durianrider.

 

[Archibald]

I would agree with this, from experience actually. Being 99% vegetarian I thought for a while I needed to get plenty of protein, and soy was a good source. Well, after a decade I stopped eating it by about 95%. I rarely eat it, except in Asian restaurants, or soy nuts. Part of the reason why is that if you look at what's done with it, it's hardly food! Most soy you see in "health" food is either processed with a lot of wheat gluten and other items into "burgers" (Boca, Morningstar, Amy's, etc.), or in various energy bars and drinks where it's in the form of soy protein isolate. I'm not going to list the dangers of consuming large quantities of that, I'll let you look it up. Suffice to say, I don't think it's food. A carrot is food, a potato is food, I'd even say free range meat or open water fish is food. Heck, cheese and yogurt are much closer to being food than soy protein isolate or soy/gluten burgers.

I'm also convinced that I don't need that much protein. I did as a boy growing up, but now, being almost 50, I need less. Probably about 15% of my diet will do it. I get plenty just eating regular food. Rice, nuts, seeds, even fruits and veggies, and yes, some yogurt and cheese or fish once in a great while. I have to eat it at the right intervals, and the right mix, but it works well. I gain less weight, feel better, etc.

Processed soy is crap. More than a small amount of this non-food item is probably as unhealthy as eating a slab of pork or a double grilled cheese sandwich.

The results of the China Study suggest 10-14% is an adequate amount of protein. Any more assists with the growth of cancer cells.

As for soy the only soy product I use is SiS Rego.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

Yes, very well discussed in the film Forks Over Knives. I'd recommend this film to anyone.

Who, Levi? I'd sooner interview durianrider.

I know, a natural alternative to Soma.

 

[Archibald]

I know, a natural alternative to Soma.

a gram a day...

 

[durianrider]

#My mate Brian made that doco 'FOK'. Great guy with a big heart.

#Soy? ALL the studies done with soy are done using GMO soy. Dont panic, eat organic. Its that easy. I mean why eat like a dog when you dont have too.

Using photos of lions eating zebra guts to say humans should eat animals is like me using a sumo to advertise carbon steerers. The connection is zero.

 

[Captain Serious]

"Soybeans are widely known to contain a gamut of natural toxins - and it makes no difference whether they are organic, "Round-Up Ready", or in any number of modern products"http://www.soyonlineservice.co.nz/

 

[Martin318is]

Using photos of lions eating zebra guts to say humans should eat animals is like me using a sumo to advertise carbon steerers. The connection is zero.

Animal / Vegetable / Mineral

choose!

Humans are not minerals and with the exception of some of us, we are not vegetables either. Therefore, when discussing the eating habits of humans it is entirely appropriate to compare us to OTHER animals.

The reality is that your analogy of bringing a comparison of sumos and carbon steerers is the one that has zero connection - especially when connected to assertions of yours such as humans being "conditioned" regarding what we consider food to be.

Your continual statements to the effect that we are brainwashed by advertising or whatever is hillarious when you consider that in our ancestral diet, eating at least some meat predated fire.

 

[richwagmn]

So starting in May of this year I switched to a mostly raw diet. I eat a lot of fruit and raw veggies and very little grains or meats (maybe one serving a day of each).

I've lost 12 pounds with a reduced riding schedule because of a couple of bad crashes.

Most importantly, I feel much better and am far less hungry.

Not sure if I'll ever go total vegan, but a diet with many more fruits and veggies is definitely working for me.

 

[lostintime]

All I can say it's a summer holiday in the USA .. where BBQ's abound . . . . and I gotta say . . . . they smell really really good

A small amount of BBQ'd meat would be fine. This is why I'll never be moral/purist vegan or vegetarian . . . . There's nothing that says my diet must be all or nothing . . . black or white. (been there, done it, it sucked) I can eat a small amount of animal food that I want and feel great. It doesn't mean I want it all day, or every day . . . or whatever . . . it's about allowing myself the flexibility to eat what calls me.

This is why all "diet plans" fail, they are about following some kind of prescribed way of eating.

Food is meant to enhance our lives .... not imprison us.