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They tired it already, for example in the stage that Jonas went on the attack. The idea there was for Matteo to try to get an advantage. Pogi hunted all attempts down and Visma still profited slightly, as Pogi had to chase both down. For sure Visma is playing the numbers game all along and i don't see any special reason on why they wouldn't continue to do so, both even went all out in the ITT. At minimum they put fatigue in Pogi for half the effort invested so no reason on why they wouldn't continue to do that.
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Because Visma wanted to win the stage.
That something will not aplly in the mountains, and definitely not in the Tour.
The objective for the next days is for Visma, doing a simulation of what will do in the Tour, and see the level of Vingegaard and Pogacar in pure power.
It is not relevant using "numbers" that in reality doesn't exist, because the only guy who can and will beat pogacar in the Tour is Vingegaard.
Jorgenson, yates and kuss will only be there to put a strong pace.
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The plan should be simulate what you are doing in the Tour, test the legs and see how the rivals are, otherwise it doesn't make any sense doing the Dauphiné.
If the plan is Vingegaard beat mano a mano Pogacar in pure force, you need test things, not numbers, because not visma or uae have any numbers.
There is no numbers against Vingegaard and Pogacar during a GT, unless evenepoel suddenly improves a lot and fights with them.
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Matteo gaining an advantage doesn't mean Pogi (or Remco) will just give up. Jonas is already ahead of Pogi, as long as he doesn't lose any substantial time. All in all they can get the needed data either way. More then getting the data they want to win this race. So expect Matteo to continue trying. First of all they put fatigue in their rivals, using numbers, by any chance if Matteo takes advantage of some situation, can at minimum be used as satellite rider when over the hill. Or yes, if in such position, to go for it. At such stage races he can be very strong and IMHO the plan A is to show that. So at minimum to soften up Pogi a bit, before going mano-a-mano with Jonas, or yes, to win it alone, if the opportunity allows for it.
P.S. If Pogi beats them, after doing a rather bad ITT, imagine on how will that look like.
Matteo gaining an advantage doesn't mean Pogi (or Remco) will just give up. Jonas is already ahead of Pogi, as long as he doesn't lose any substantial time. All in all they can get the needed data either way. More then getting the data they want to win this race. So expect Matteo to continue trying. First of all they put fatigue in their rivals, using numbers, by any chance if Matteo takes advantage of some situation, can at minimum be used as satellite rider when over the hill. Or yes, if in such position, to go for it. At such stage races he can be very strong and IMHO the plan A is to show that. So at minimum to soften up Pogi a bit, before going mano-a-mano with Jonas, or yes, to win it alone, if the opportunity allows for it.
P.S. If Pogi beats them, after doing a rather bad ITT, imagine on how will that look like.
Think you are right. Full sky train is for longer harder stages and races. Also think it's important for Visma to make Matteo feel, like he has a place in the one weeks. They where also both going for P-N.
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It'd be a waste not to use his GC position strategically in this race. Tulett and Kuss can pace on the climb today, but it will be up to UAE to give it the last notch.
Tomorrow, I think Jorgenson will attack on Croix-de-Fer. Or sooner. He will force others to keep a high pace, and the dream scenario is that Vingegaard attacks near the end of Glandon and bridges across to him. All other teams are weak, so GC captains will have to pull in the valley behind them.
Tomorrow, I think Jorgenson will attack on Croix-de-Fer. Or sooner. He will force others to keep a high pace, and the dream scenario is that Vingegaard attacks near the end of Glandon and bridges across to him. All other teams are weak, so GC captains will have to pull in the valley behind them.
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I expect Visma (with eventually Matteo) to attack on Croix de Fer too. They would probably need Valter in the break to make the threat effective, though. Then on Croix de Fer, you can use Tullet's and Kuss's position to attack and create chaos, which will set the stage for the Jorg attack - which will explode the bunch. Then it's a great situation for them. But that's just one scenario out of many that are possible with this strong climbing roster.
Croix de Fer has too much descending after the climbs to be anything but a bait plan. Unless you go all the way to the Alpe after and then see what everyone has.
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He was on the attack on Madeleine and pulled on Croix de Fer, I guess they were fully all in for Jonas today and tried to make it as hard as possible
Did he attack on Madeleine? How did it go? My TV coverage didn't start until at the top of CdF when he was pulling hard.
I think the combination of not racing much, like Jonas and doing several days of Dom duty after a good TT has caught up with him. It's why they do the Dauphine'. JV needs to discover underpreparation or fatigue before the Tour I'd guess.
Any illusions that a 1-2 punch strategy can be employed at the tour will be shattered now.
Still a fantastic all around rider but I doubt he can consistently climb well enough to be a top 5 rider over 3 weeks.
That performance will likely concern Jonas and Visma more than Jonas own efforts today. At least for their sake Kuss showed a few flashes of improvement.
Still a fantastic all around rider but I doubt he can consistently climb well enough to be a top 5 rider over 3 weeks.
That performance will likely concern Jonas and Visma more than Jonas own efforts today. At least for their sake Kuss showed a few flashes of improvement.
Looking GREAT young man! Solid ride!
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Very strong today. Could be the third strongest rider (in at least some stages), but his role is clear and it will cost him the chance to podium the Tour.
Today reinforced my opinion that he easily could be on the podium if he wasn't performing control work for Jonas. And Jonas got nothing out of all that effort today except the opportunity to sit on Tadej's wheel. Hopefully....HOPEFULLY Matteo will have a convincing enough TT after the rest day to have JV give him his head for stage 12.
Maybe. There still 5 HC finishes in the next 10 days that will tell us a lot more. But I agree he’s going to have to do too much work for Ving to really know how he could fare on his own,
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