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Picking up on that metaphor: Has anyone been over the edge (disregarding mou), though, or has the definition of the edge changed and more territory is out of bounds?

It seems like it takes much less to get a short ban.

I have had comments deleted where I thought it was completely unnecessary.

It seems like it's increasingly illegal to get personal which seems odd on a forum where many of the posters have been in a shared community for over a decade.
 
It seems like it takes much less to get a short ban.

I have had comments deleted where I thought it was completely unnecessary.

It seems like it's increasingly illegal to get personal which seems odd on a forum where many of the posters have been in a shared community for over a decade.
Yeah, if comments are on the level of "you suck", fair enough. But it's personal disputes about cycling topics that get deleted. It's "I can't believe this is your opinion" that's considered an offence. And I just don't think this makes any sense on a forum.
 
Yeah, if comments are on the level of "you suck", fair enough. But it's personal disputes about cycling topics that get deleted. It's "I can't believe this is your opinion" that's considered an offence. And I just don't think this makes any sense on a forum.
Not being able to call out or disagree with biased opinions or blated hating/trolling is not very good... it being labeled as "harassing", or so I have heard.
 
Not being able to call out or disagree with biased opinions or blated hating/trolling is not very good... it being labeled as "harassing", or so I have heard.
Especially since tr*lling has become the MO for too many members.

IMO:
-The overall forum tone has become very negative.
--stupid racers, teams, courses, tactics, boring racers/races...
-Rider threads are loaded with more discussion about who a racer can't be/will never be, than actual discussion about the racer.
-Race threads are loaded with more discussion about what a racer can't win than what they just won.

Hence why most of my posts are just 'congrats'.
 
Especially since tr*lling has become the MO for too many members.

IMO:
-The overall forum tone has become very negative.
--stupid racers, teams, courses, tactics, boring racers/races...
-Rider threads are loaded with more discussion about who a racer can't be/will never be, than actual discussion about the racer.
-Race threads are loaded with more discussion about what a racer can't win than what they just won.

Hence why most of my posts are just 'congrats'.
Couldnt agree more.
 
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Especially since tr*lling has become the MO for too many members.

IMO:
-The overall forum tone has become very negative.
--stupid racers, teams, courses, tactics, boring racers/races...
-Rider threads are loaded with more discussion about who a racer can't be/will never be, than actual discussion about the racer.
-Race threads are loaded with more discussion about what a racer can't win than what they just won.

Hence why most of my posts are just 'congrats'.
Forum has become a bit calcified, but I also think that's a bit of a result of how calcified current cycling is anyway. Most posters have seen their original favorite riders retire. Etc.

I do think people easily forget how toxic fan wars of old on this forum could be.
 
Forum has become a bit calcified, but I also think that's a bit of a result of how calcified current cycling is anyway. Most posters have seen their original favorite riders retire. Etc.

I do think people easily forget how toxic fan wars of old on this forum could be.
The fan wars of old were messy at times, but still insightful and constructive (excluding Lance/Postal topics).

EDIT: I meant to touch on the 'favorite racer' part. Certainily many of the racers who I enjoyed watching race have moved on, but there are always many more to fill their place. I really enjoy some of the younger guys who just like to race their ars off.
 
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Forum has become a bit calcified, but I also think that's a bit of a result of how calcified current cycling is anyway. Most posters have seen their original favorite riders retire. Etc.

I do think people easily forget how toxic fan wars of old on this forum could be.
I honestly think the forum hasn't changed that much (at least compared to when I joined) but there was a little period in between when things were a lot less heated, leading us to believe that would be the new norm. Contador had retired, Sky was defeated, Nibali, Valverde and Sagan no longer what they used to be and Pogacar and Remco not yet the superstars they are today. Now it's back to fan wars between Roglic and Remco, MvdP and Van Aert, Vingegaard and Pogacar.

Some of these fan groups are becoming really obnoxious and the old guard watching them from the outside are annoyed how the forum is becoming such a mess. But in reality the only difference is that the last time fan wars were waging, that old guard was right in the middle of them. Take a look back at the Contador thread and tell me that was any better than what's going on in the Pogacar thread. I really don't think it was.
 
I honestly think the forum hasn't changed that much (at least compared to when I joined) but there was a little period in between when things were a lot less heated, leading us to believe that would be the new norm. Contador had retired, Sky was defeated, Nibali, Valverde and Sagan no longer what they used to be and Pogacar and Remco not yet the superstars they are today. Now it's back to fan wars between Roglic and Remco, MvdP and Van Aert, Vingegaard and Pogacar.

Some of these fan groups are becoming really obnoxious and the old guard watching them from the outside are annoyed how the forum is becoming such a mess. But in reality the only difference is that the last time fan wars were waging, that old guard was right in the middle of them. Take a look back at the Contador thread and tell me that was any better than what's going on in the Pogacar thread. I really don't think it was.
Nibali vs Valverde was hot *** for quite a long time after Contador retired actually. Evenepoel thread was hot and contentious as early as 2019.

We never truly had a break.
 
Nibali vs Valverde was hot *** for quite a long time after Contador retired actually. Evenepoel thread was hot and contentious as early as 2019.

We never truly had a break.
But I think it was less heated nontheless. I think Nibali vs Valverde was never quite as toxic because neither had that many followers who were fans of the riders first and fans of the sport second. And while there was a lot of hype around Remco I don't think there were many people on this forum just because of him until at least the 2021 Giro, when he first raced in a GT. I genuinely recall that period around 2020 to be a lot calmer than it was before and than it is now.
 
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I honestly think the forum hasn't changed that much (at least compared to when I joined) but there was a little period in between when things were a lot less heated, leading us to believe that would be the new norm. Contador had retired, Sky was defeated, Nibali, Valverde and Sagan no longer what they used to be and Pogacar and Remco not yet the superstars they are today. Now it's back to fan wars between Roglic and Remco, MvdP and Van Aert, Vingegaard and Pogacar.

Some of these fan groups are becoming really obnoxious and the old guard watching them from the outside are annoyed how the forum is becoming such a mess. But in reality the only difference is that the last time fan wars were waging, that old guard was right in the middle of them. Take a look back at the Contador thread and tell me that was any better than what's going on in the Pogacar thread. I really don't think it was.
Maybe I'm burned out then because it seems worse to me. Maybe the 'rider wars' aren't much different, but there isn't any reasonable discussion in between, and the race threads are bizarre. For example: a rider wins a big race, but a lot of the comments are about how that rider could never defeat some other rider. Many other comments are about how boring the race was, how stupid the tactics were, etc... :cry:

EDIT: My feeling about this are certainly aggravated by my enjoyment of the race over the rider. If I was forced to pick a (non USA) favorite, I'd probably pick MvdP. When he wins I'm happy, but when he loses in a good race I'm happy too. I really enjoy all of the great racers who seem to love racing hard. ramble...ramble...
 
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I don’t think it helps that we went from Colombian/French/Italian group, Dutch mafia, Evans, Contador, Froome/Sky/British group, Purito, Nibali, Valverde, Cavendish, Kittel, and Sagan as the big backing groups/discussions. It was more diversified back than in my opinion. Now it’s focused on 6-8 riders with the big 6 having more overlap in races they contend compared to before.
 
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Maybe I'm burned out then because it seems worse to me. Maybe the 'rider wars' aren't much different, but there isn't any reasonable discussion in between, and the race threads are bizarre. For example: a rider wins a big race, but a lot of the comments are about how that rider could never defeat some other rider. Many other comments are about how boring the race was, how stupid the tactics were, etc... :cry:

EDIT: My feeling about this are certainly aggravated by my enjoyment of the race over the rider. If I was forced to pick a (non USA) favorite, I'd probably pick MvdP. When he wins I'm happy, but when he loses in a good race I'm happy too. I really enjoy all of the great racers who seem to love racing hard. ramble...ramble...
Dont think it is really a "war". It is just a couple of posters who is trolling and blatantly hating, who gets a pass for some strange reason... which has clearly led to escalation. The powers that be are repsonible for that though.
 
It seems like it takes much less to get a short ban.

I have had comments deleted where I thought it was completely unnecessary.

It seems like it's increasingly illegal to get personal which seems odd on a forum where many of the posters have been in a shared community for over a decade.
I made a post saying redrick complains about Pogacar a lot and got a warning for harassment about it.

I have actually had 2 warnings in the past 2 weeks, which is 2 more than I ever had in my forum career up to this point, and I think this year I am more well behaved than in 2021 for example