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That's just not true! What's wrong with questioning Varjas? What's wrong with trying to pick holes in the Stade 2 stuff? How else do you work through everything to discover the truth, you don't have to believe that there are no motors in the peloton to find holes in certain things that are used as evidence of motor use. I've seen a heap of incidents that people claim is evidence of a motor use which can be easily dismissed as the opposite, I've seen some things that can't be easily explained. It's healthy to have a discussion on this subject and not have posters dismiss it away as strawman arguments.
For the record I do believe some riders/teams have at least tried motor use but I don't believe it is as rampant as some do, I see a heap of performances that some scream motor and I just see old fashioned doping.
DanielSong39 said:miguelindurain111 said:Yeah it's amazing how normally sceptical people seem to believe everything that support their preexisting beliefs...
Strawman arguments everywhere, and the above statement also appears to apply to people who believe that there are no motors in the pro peloton.
That's just not true! What's wrong with questioning Varjas? What's wrong with trying to pick holes in the Stade 2 stuff? How else do you work through everything to discover the truth, you don't have to believe that there are no motors in the peloton to find holes in certain things that are used as evidence of motor use. I've seen a heap of incidents that people claim is evidence of a motor use which can be easily dismissed as the opposite, I've seen some things that can't be easily explained. It's healthy to have a discussion on this subject and not have posters dismiss it away as strawman arguments.
For the record I do believe some riders/teams have at least tried motor use but I don't believe it is as rampant as some do, I see a heap of performances that some scream motor and I just see old fashioned doping.