Teams & Riders Nairo Quintana discussion thread

[Ryo Hazuki]

horner I"m a fan but no way. porte should be his only real opponent, purito has no place to take time on quintana save maybe some seconds in hills but nothing more.

 

[will10]

Purito's main advantage is bonus seconds on punchy finishes - have we got many in this Giro? No bonuses on MTFs again either?

 

[Netserk]

Purito's main advantage is bonus seconds on punchy finishes - have we got many in this Giro? No bonuses on MTFs again either?

There is on MTFs.

But given the performances on Alpe, I don't expect Purito to be able to take bonus seconds on the MTFs.

 

[Escarabajo]

Normally that should be Rodriguez and Porte..

+1.

Uran maybe has a better chance than Horner.

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

If Porte manages to not have a crappy day, i'd imagine him being quite close (if he nails the tt), but can't see anyone having a realistic shot at taking him...?

 

[trifun]

I see most of these predictions are based on performances at the (last) Tour.
Racing in Giro/May could be (and often is) very different from racing in July.

 

[hfer07]

Normally that should be Rodriguez and Porte..

I'd rather say Rodriguez & "Horner" -- Porte is yet to be proved as a GT leader...

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

I see most of these predictions are based on performances at the (last) Tour.
Racing in Giro/May could be (and often is) very different from racing in July.

Yes, but most of us presume that Quintana is not a wuss like Wiggo, and that he wont freeze to death in the alps

 

[trifun]

Yes, but most of us presume that Quintana is not a wuss like Wiggo, and that he wont freeze to death in the alps

Low temperature is one of the factors.
Others can be: mileage before the race, leading role, stage shortening...
Every race is a story for itself.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

quintana for sure doesn't suffer much in the cold and rain as was shown in pais vasco. porte I think same thing. purito too. so yeah we can stupid point made there. unless bad luck it should be between them, but honeslty quintana has improved so much again he won't have any real competition

 

[Vino attacks everyone]

quintana for sure doesn't suffer much in the cold and rain as was shown in pais vasco. porte I think same thing. purito too. so yeah we can stupid point made there. unless bad luck it should be between them, but honeslty quintana has improved so much again he won't have any real competition

what w/kg would he be putting down this year in the alps do you think (If he has to go 100%)

 

[movingtarget]

horner I"m a fan but no way. porte should be his only real opponent, purito has no place to take time on quintana save maybe some seconds in hills but nothing more.

Porte has the TT advantage and Quintana the climbing advantage. They have to be the favourites and then I would say Rodriguez, Uran and Horner maybe. Evans, Hesjedal and possibly ten others to fight for top 10 positions. This will probably be Evans last GT depending on how he goes. If he does not do a reasonable ride I doubt he will ride the Vuelta.

 

[Escarabajo]

I prefer to be humble about Quintana's chances. Honestly. I don't think that we ever had such a prodigy. Not Lucho or Parra or Cochise or Niño or Hoyos.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

only one that came close and was maybe even on par at young age was mejia but his chances wer destroyed by the rise of clinic peloton

 

[ILovecycling]

I prefer to be humble about Quintana's chances. Honestly. I don't think that we ever had such a prodigy. Not Lucho or Parra or Cochise or Niño or Hoyos.

Yeah,but you have to admit its really difficult to be stay humble when you see Nairo calmly riding away from everyone in mountains
On the other hand its true that I dont like the high expectations,like you, me thinks...


As for the favourites,I agree that only real challenge is Porte,cos under normal circumstances Uran,Purito nor Horner are not able to outclimb Quintana.And they are not better in TT or TTT either,so only under special conditions they can be better in GC than Nairo...
The weather thing will be crucial too,I wonder how Porte,Quintana and Horner will cope with it...however I believe it should be fine.

Generaly,I think that only Nibali,Froome and Contador(all in top shape) are able to beat Nairo in Giro,so...

 

[gospina]

Let's not sleep on Purito. He beat Nairo in both TTs this year at TDF.
He also has shown how consistent he is in 3 weeks GTs, specially on the last week. Sure, many of you will point out how he has lost so many GTs, but it's always on either the final TT or an unprecedented maneuver, like Contador in la Vuelta. Horner, if on form, is very strong too. He won the Pais Vasco against Valverde on the last TT, just like Nairo did. Uran is very consistent and is also a legit threat. Those 4 are the contenders. Porte will be there, but will bonk in one or two stages. Cadel will be very consistent, but will fade on the last 2 days. Duarte will hunt for stages, if anything. Basso may be the sleeper. I still think he has stuff left in the tank (legit stuff)

 

[gospina]

only one that came close and was maybe even on par at young age was mejia but his chances wer destroyed by the rise of clinic peloton

Santiago Botero, except we will never know, also do to rise of clinic peloton, just for different reasons

 

[Netserk]

Let's not sleep on Purito. He beat Nairo in both TTs this year at TDF.

No he didn't. Nairo did beat Purito in the first ITT.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

what w/kg would he be putting down this year in the alps do you think (If he has to go 100%)

that's impossible to say and also not very interesting to speculate imo

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Let's not sleep on Purito. He beat Nairo in both TTs this year at TDF.
He also has shown how consistent he is in 3 weeks GTs, specially on the last week. Sure, many of you will point out how he has lost so many GTs, but it's always on either the final TT or an unprecedented maneuver, like Contador in la Vuelta. Horner, if on form, is very strong too. He won the Pais Vasco against Valverde on the last TT, just like Nairo did. Uran is very consistent and is also a legit threat. Those 4 are the contenders. Porte will be there, but will bonk in one or two stages. Cadel will be very consistent, but will fade on the last 2 days. Duarte will hunt for stages, if anything. Basso may be the sleeper. I still think he has stuff left in the tank (legit stuff)

what?

uran is also not very consistant btw. he only was consistant for first time in his career during 2013 giro

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Santiago Botero, except we will never know, also do to rise of clinic peloton, just for different reasons

botero was a monstrous talent no doubt. but mejia had far more talent imo

 

[gospina]

what?

uran is also not very consistant btw. he only was consistant for first time in his career during 2013 giro

Stage 11:
54) Nairo Quintana +3:28
55) Thibaut Pinot + 3:28
56) Joaquim Rodriguez + 3:29

Nairo +1 second

Stage 17:
3) Joaquim Rodiguez +00:10
4) Roman Kreuziger + 00:23
5) Alejandro Valverde + 00:30
6) Nairo Quintana + 1:11

Joaquim + 1:01 (total Joaquim +1 minute)

If you include the TTT:
7) Movistar + 00:20
8) Lampre + 00:25
9) BMC + 00:26
10) Katusha + 00:28

Total Joaquim + 32seconds

Uran was consistent in 2012 (white jersey) He also had the white jersey in le tour until he got a cold. I agree that 2013 was his best, but even in 2012 he found himself in the top 10 all the time (including his accidental celebration in Canada).

 

[ILovecycling]

Stage 11:
54) Nairo Quintana +3:28
55) Thibaut Pinot + 3:28
56) Joaquim Rodriguez + 3:29

Nairo +1 second

Stage 17:
3) Joaquim Rodiguez +00:10
4) Roman Kreuziger + 00:23
5) Alejandro Valverde + 00:30
6) Nairo Quintana + 1:11

Joaquim + 1:01 (total Joaquim +1 minute)

If you include the TTT:
7) Movistar + 00:20
8) Lampre + 00:25
9) BMC + 00:26
10) Katusha + 00:28

Total Joaquim + 32seconds

Uran was consistent in 2012 (white jersey) He also had the white jersey in le tour until he got a cold. I agree that 2013 was his best, but even in 2012 he found himself in the top 10 all the time (including his accidental celebration in Canada).

My God,its total nonsense to discuss few seconds which Purito gained on Quintana in TTs in Tdf,coz under normal circumstances (no illness or inj) Purito cant match him in the mountains,and this is Giro,its about mountains fortunately .Just check all mountain stages of last Tour (and they were almost half a hard of Giro ones),you probably missed them bro...

 

[gospina]

My God,its total nonsense to discuss few seconds which Purito gained on Quintana in TTs in Tdf,coz under normal circumstances (no illness or inj) Purito cant match him in the mountains,and this is Giro,its about mountains fortunately .Just check all mountain stages of last Tour (and they were almost half a hard of Giro ones),you probably missed them bro...

Well, it wasn't a few seconds...if its mano a mano, he took a minute, not seconds.
Purito's strategy was to peak on week #3 and is a threat, just like Horner.
Nairo had an amazing TDF, but Purito had a better season overall, in fact, the best again 2 years in a row.
Look at Lombardia, look at the worlds, look at Lombardia the year before. Let's look at Catalunya. Although Nairo won stage 3 in Catalunya, Purito was only 6" back with Valverde and did better overall than Nairo and beat Nairo on stage 4 (although officially they came in together ahead of everyone but Martin). I know, you will all say he was riding for Valverde there too, but he really was a free rider. I always thought that Nairo was more like Purito than anyone else, except he is 10 years younger. All I am saying is that, yes, Nairo is the best prospect and I hope he wins the overall, but Purito is not a pushover and not an easy guy to beat. Yes, Nairo beat everyone up the mountains at the tour, but let's look at Stage 20 (I have, 100x over).
We knew it was Purito, Froome, Nairo. Purito PULLED THE WHOLE TIME. Same argument that is made that Nairo burned himself out for attacking too early in the same tour is made here. Purito pulled...and pulled...and pulled. He wanted the podium, not the stage. Froome tried attacking several times. Nairo just needed to hang on and kill at the end. Purito still finished second after pulling. You probably missed that.....bro

 

[ILovecycling]

Well, it wasn't a few seconds...if its mano a mano, he took a minute, not seconds.
Purito's strategy was to peak on week #3 and is a threat, just like Horner.
Nairo had an amazing TDF, but Purito had a better season overall, in fact, the best again 2 years in a row.
Look at Lombardia, look at the worlds, look at Lombardia the year before. Let's look at Catalunya. Although Nairo won stage 3 in Catalunya, Purito was only 6" back with Valverde and did better overall than Nairo and beat Nairo on stage 4 (although officially they came in together ahead of everyone but Martin). I know, you will all say he was riding for Valverde there too, but he really was a free rider. I always thought that Nairo was more like Purito than anyone else, except he is 10 years younger. All I am saying is that, yes, Nairo is the best prospect and I hope he wins the overall, but Purito is not a pushover and not an easy guy to beat. Yes, Nairo beat everyone up the mountains at the tour, but let's look at Stage 20 (I have, 100x over).
We knew it was Purito, Froome, Nairo. Purito PULLED THE WHOLE TIME. Same argument that is made that Nairo burned himself out for attacking too early in the same tour is made here. Purito pulled...and pulled...and pulled. He wanted the podium, not the stage. Froome tried attacking several times. Nairo just needed to hang on and kill at the end. Purito still finished second after pulling. You probably missed that.....bro

Good one
No offence but I dont think he wasted too much energy pulling half the lenght of semnoz.he didnt attack,so he rode steady tempo,and there is not a big difference of drafting at 9-10% hill.He simply couldnt catch Nairo in any other scenario imo.
Im not saying that Purito is not good for winning Giro.But I just think that Quintana's climber abilities are too much for him.
Lets not forget that Nairo will be probably even a bit better than last year.Purito?I dont think so...in addition to this Nairo has a lot better 'base level',...Purito has to be in super form
Imo Porte and MAYbe Horner are a lot more thread to Nairo.