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These two teams play in the RS next year. With the stakes lower, I expect Manning to play much, much better.

When Denver decides to lose a SB, they don't mess around. They have lost 5 of them by an average margin of 41-11.

They hold the top 3 spots on the list for the biggest half-time deficit in a SB (today was third).

They hold three of the top five spots for the biggest final score deficit in history (today was third; their 55-10 loss in SB24 is the record).

They are the only team to lose 5 SBs, though thanks to Elway, they have a better overall record than Minnesota and Buffalo.

DE had not failed to score on two consecutive possessions in the postseason up to this game. I lost count of how many scoreless possessions they had in a row, at least 7-8.

One man's picks for best QBs. Only those who played beginning in late 50s or early 60s included:

1. Joe Montana (1979-'94): Magnificent from the pocket. Exceptional on the move. Great passer and a great runner. So poised and so accurate. It was poetry in motion.

2. Johnny Unitas (1956-'73): Helped drag the passing game into the modern era with the help of Raymond Berry. All the successful quarterbacks of that era had to be the toughest player on the field given the savagery inflicted upon them well after the ball was out. The ultimate leader of men.

3. Tom Brady (2000-'13, active): His strength of character has shone through time after time. Perfectionist in every way, shape and form. Never a threat to run but possesses brilliant feel for stepping into available throwing lanes. High overhand delivery and a perfect spiral.

4. Dan Marino (1983-'99): Perhaps the quickest release ever. Pure pocket passer with cannon for an arm. Highly emotional leader. Tremendous in the clutch.

5. Peyton Manning (1998-'13, active): Near the top of most-prepared passers ever. Used his domineering personality to make football a legitimate sport in basketball-mad Indiana. Early master of the no-huddle offense. Prototypical height, extremely limited athlete.

6. Brett Favre (1991-2010): Nobody had more fun playing the game. Not many ever had an arm like his, either. Teammates loved playing with him. Defined the gunslinger quarterback.

7. John Elway (1983-'98): Probably the best pure athlete on this or any list. Arm strength ranked right alongside Favre's. Rare running ability.

8. Steve Young (1985-'99): Six NFL single-season passing titles. Gifted scrambler-runner with exceptional speed and courage. Over time, he became a disciplined West Coast pocket passer despite standing barely 6 feet.

9. Dan Fouts (1973-'87): The backbone of Air Coryell. Almost like a boxer in that he'd stand there and take the most of brutal shots in order to deliver one downfield.

10. Roger Staubach (1969-'79): Didn't start his career with the Cowboys until age 27 because of U.S. Navy commitment. Athletic, efficient and iron-willed.

11. Fran Tarkenton (1961-'78): Might be the most exciting player ever. His crazy-quilt scrambles put people in the seats and helped sell the NFL game on TV. A little man with the guts of a burglar.

12. Len Dawson (1957-'75): The consummate passer. Six AFL-NFL passing titles. Stood just 6-0 but could be devastating throwing from Hank Stram's moving pocket.

13. Terry Bradshaw (1970-'83): Big arm and an even bigger personality. Overcame sluggish start to his career and became the all-time Super Bowl winner. Outstanding athlete.

14. Ken Anderson (1971-'86): Technically superior. Threw with pinpoint accuracy. A complete quarterback.

15. Ken Stabler (1970-'84): Fearless competitor with a whip for an arm. Big, left-handed pocket passer. Really good in the clutch.

16. Sonny Jurgensen (1957-'74): Played his final season at age 40. Deadly deep-ball thrower but, really, could throw any pass. Never took himself too seriously.

17. Kurt Warner (1998-2009): It all started with a tentative stint as a rookie free agent in the Packers' training camp of '94. Rags-to-riches story for the ages. When he got hot, it was over.

18. Ben Roethlisberger (2004-'13, active): Has anyone ever been more difficult to sack in the pocket? Better throwing on the move than from the spot.

19. Troy Aikman (1989-2000): Prototypical pocket passer with prototypical size. Effective scrambler early in career, too.

20. Steve McNair (1995-2007): Benefited by sitting early in his career. Developed into a consistent thrower, but his career was defined by toughness and running.

21. Donovan McNabb (1999-2011): Always seemed to run through the middle for first downs when Eagles needed them most. Developed into capable passer from mid-career on.

22. Warren Moon (1984-2000): Played until 44. After failing to attract an NFL contract out of the University of Washington, he led Edmonton to five straight Grey Cup titles. Rangy athlete and talented thrower.

23. Randall Cunningham (1985-2001): Rifle-armed passer, electrifying runner and serviceable punter. Dazzling, somewhat unpredictable big-play specialist.

24. Bert Jones (1973-'82): Career ruined early by shoulder injuries. Unreal competitor and passer. Bill Belichick has called him the best "pure passer" he ever saw.

25. Drew Brees (2001-'13, active): Far better athlete than given credit for. Terrific competitiveness and throwing accuracy. Unusually high delivery helped him flourish at just 6-0.
 
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First, super congradulations to Seattle for an awesome win. They dominated the game in every aspect. I'm old enough to remember when they came into the league, and I imagine this virtually wipes out the awful memories of SB XL. An incredible win for an incredible team, and city with the best fans in the sport.

Next, Merckx: whomever made that list is an idiot. Bert Jones, Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb were better than Joe Namath? I'd even put Jim Kelly on there before those guys.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
First, super congradulations to Seattle for an awesome win. They dominated the game in every aspect. I'm old enough to remember when they came into the league, and I imagine this virtually wipes out the awful memories of SB XL. An incredible win for an incredible team, and city with the best fans in the sport.

The awful memories of SB40 don't begin to compare with the awful memories of this SB for Denver fans. Even a win next year I think would not wipe them out completely. Interested to hear Foxxy's take on how SE was able to shut down the deep passing game completely.

Next, Merckx: whomever made that list is an idiot. Bert Jones, Steve McNair and Donovan McNabb were better than Joe Namath? I'd even put Jim Kelly on there before those guys.

Yeah, I think he didn't consider Namath, because his name isn't even on the following twelve he puts after the top 25. He says they had to play ten years, so Namath should qualify, but when one considers all his injuries, maybe he didn't consider it a full ten years. Namath played just nine years in which he was active for most of the games. His other four seasons he played only a handful of games. Still, if that was his reasoning, he should have pointed it out. Namath is an important enough figure that he has to be mentioned in some way.

Anyway, I'm not defending the list. I would put Brees much higher, and take some on the list off entirely. But the top 10 or so, which is what I originally posted, I think is reasonable, not saying I agree with the exact ranking, but I think most of those guys would be on most people's top ten, maybe with Namath instead of Staubach. It's after you get past those names that it becomes a little strange.
 
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Merckx index said:
The awful memories of SB40 don't begin to compare with the awful memories of this SB for Denver fans. Even a win next year I think would not wipe them out completely. Interested to hear Foxxy's take on how SE was able to shut down the deep passing game completely.

the same strategy I mentioned earlier...make Peyton move and jam the receivers close to the line of scrimmage. Peyton made plenty of passes but the receptions were closed on instantly. The closer Seattle opponents get to the red zone the tougher they can defend and the meaningless, time-consuming yardage Denver got was exactly what should have happened.
Denver's running game was never going to get started and once Seattle got aggressive on offense they had to abandon it entirely.
Denver's receivers are way softer than New Orleans or SF. They all looked scared half way into the first quarter.
 
First, props to Denver for all the hard work that resulted in a great season and a trip to the super bowl. They are a great team and, while they are disappointed, they have nothing to be ashamed of or hang their heads over.

MVP wise, a lot of people on SEA could have been MVP... the entire Defense, or Russell Wilson. But Malcolm Smith had a great game and is deserving. Baldwin and Kearse also had great games. And Percy Harvin was the difference maker I was expecting. He helped keep the yard stick moving. But the second half kick off return for a TD to push the score to 29-0 might have been the lights-out blow. Prior to that with the score 22-0 at the half, Denver I felt was still in the game if they could just get one score and then keep Seattle from scoring.

Credit Schneider and Carroll for putting this team together. Or Paul Allen's part in this. Allen got involved when former owner Ken Behring attempted stealing the team away to California. The move was blocked by legislation and Behring was forced to sell the team. Stepping up to buy the team was... Allen, who managed to get legislation to fund a new stadium if he funded a significant portion of the construction. I don't remember numbers, but Allen's portion was like 40 or 50 percent. Allen's involvement has been nothing other than positive.
 
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on3m@n@rmy said:
If Foxxy does not say DEFENSES WIN CHAMPIONSHIPS, I will. ;)

I'd say variety does. Before the game, I made the comparison to Miami vs. SF in SB19, another rout of a high-powered passing offense. The problem with a one-dimensional offense, no matter how good, is that if you can stop it or even slow it down considerably, the team has nothing to fall back on. Manning was able to complete a lot of short passes, but Denver is not really comfortable moving the ball like that the entire game. SF in the 80s could throw deep to Solomon or Rice, but they were quite content with dink and dunk, if that was what the defense allowed them to do. Plus they had a very strong running game. You couldn't focus on one thing.

SE has a great defense, but also a more balanced offense. Why was RW so successful throwing all those passes early? Because DE was scared of lynch. They did a good job in stopping him most of the game, but to do so they had to play tight, opening up a lot of things in the secondary for the receivers.

Still, the game could have been a lot closer, maybe competitive into the fourth quarter. I'd say in the best of circumstances, if DE had avoided the turnovers, and the KO return, the score might have been around the 30-20 that Oldman (?) or someone here predicted. The pick 6 happened when DE was moving the ball well, and in FG range if the couldn't get into the EZ. They might have had another FG near the end of the first half if they hadn't felt forced by the score to go for seven. They lost another great chance for a score when Thomas fumbled after catching a pass deep in SE territory.

So as bad as DE looked, their offense, minus the turnovers, did about as well as most people expected. SE's offense, though, greatly outperformed expectations, even discounting the points off the turnover and the kick return. I was very impressed with them in the second half, when they had a big lead and might have been expected to play conservatively with just a running game.
 
Merckx index said:
I'd say variety does.

True. But Foxxy and I had a debate going about this much earlier, like back in December-November. So I can't admit that truth.


Boeing said:
So, are the Rams coming back to LA again?

I wish they would. It makes sense having all the teams in the division along the West Coast. So what is public sentiment like in LA on moving the team there (back home)?
 
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Boeing said:
Payton's Legacy? Losing end of the most lopsided Super Bowl in history setting a Super Bowl completion record? now that is a trivia question of the future.
The man sure knows how to set records, he also just set the record for most playoff losses (now 12) by a starting QB in NFL history. (He's in good company, though, with the likes of Brett Favre, Dan Marino and Jim Kelly.)
 
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I'm still a bit stunned by how dominating the game was. I thought all along Seattle would win. Even before the teams were matched I said the winner of SEA-SF would win the SB. But I thought the Broncos would move the ball better and keep it closer. But as Merckx says, even if you remove the turnovers and such, Seattle was still the clear cut winner. One of the most impressive defenses I have ever seen. The '85 Bears and 2000 Ravens were better, a few more too, but this one was special. Especially to completely shut down this powerful offense like they did. And in perfect weather conditions.

Recall, 10 of the 13 ESPN "experts" had Denver winning. And the Broncos were favored.

Merckx index said:
The awful memories of SB40 don't begin to compare with the awful memories of this SB for Denver fans.
Probably true. I can only imagine what's going on in the mind of diehard Broncos fans right now. Let alone what Manning must be thinking. All those touchdowns, all those records... and this is what they're left with. Ouch.
Anyway, I'm not defending the list. I would put Brees much higher, and take some on the list off entirely. But the top 10 or so, which is what I originally posted, I think is reasonable
I would agree with that for the most part. You can shuffle names around, and I do think Namath belongs in the top 10, and as you say, Brees higher. But his list just shows that any idiot can make one, and be moronic in some of the names they include, and forget.

Boeing said:
So, are the Rams coming back to LA again
It all comes down to two things: Will LA really commit to building a world class stadium even without a team scheduled to arrive? Or, will St. Louis commit to replacing that awful dome? (You can say the same about San Diego, or Oakland. The other two teams possible to move, but the Rams are most likely).

Speaking of Oakland, huge congrats to Ray Guy for finally making the Hall of Fame! Several other guys got in as well, and we knew Jones, Brooks and Strahan were going in. But it was really nice to see Guy finally get in. Yes, he was a special teams player, but he changed the position, and his teammates always had the highest praise for him. Now (and since Al Davis is dead!?) maybe this will open up the gates so other deserving Raiders have a better chance of getting in too (Stabler, Branch, Christiansen, Hayes, Plunkett).

Since this sport is all about looking ahead (it is?!) my early 2015 Superbowl pick is San Francisco over Indianapolis.
 
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I couldn´t post from my mobil, b/c I didn´t find the log in :mad: (the homepage looks different when using internet from mobil).
So now you may not believe it, but I wanted to write "game over" some 2 minutes into the game.
As an ex thrower I know it´s much tougher to grip a ball with gloves. WTF was PM thinking wearing gloves vs the best D in the NFL on his biggest game of his life? There was 49 F (!!!) in NJ.

And then they came out nervous or unprepared. Which is no difference. Expert PM on misscommunication on 1st SB snap? Wow! From then on I prepared for disaster. Not a second did I thought DEN would have a chance.

DEN would have even lost if SEA didn´t came with offense. That bad DEN offense looked.

As I said dink-and-dunk won´t do it. How would a average arm with a glove on the throwing hand complete a deep ball vs the best D? That secret PM will take to his grave.

I loved the final score. A blow out. That leaves no questions. Well deserved SB champ. No prevent defense, but statement set for 60 minutes.

And PM can stick himself where the sun don´t shine. He saved the "best" for last. Legacy set: Greatest RS QB ever. No more, no less...
 
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Boeing said:
So, are the Rams coming back to LA again?

I'm not a football fan but when I lived in Southern California the Rams played in Anaheim. Did they play in LA prior to Anaheim?
 
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That's a good question. The Rams originally started out in Cleveland. I can't tell you the years, but it was a long, long time ago.

I do remember when they moved into the stadium in Anaheim in the late 70's or early 80's, but I am not sure where in LA they were playing before that.

FoxxyBrown1111 said:
WTF was PM thinking wearing gloves vs the best D in the NFL on his biggest game of his life? There was 49 F (!!!) in NJ.
He's not the only one. You may recall that Kurt Warner used to wear gloves in fair weather as well, and it didn't affect his passing.
DEN would have even lost if SEA didn´t came with offense. That('s how) bad DEN's offense looked.
I believe I parsed your quote right.

I was at a big house with a SB party, and one die hard Denver fan there said similar to you. He said Denver has to move the ball in the first 2-3 drives, or it's over. When they couldn't, he already had his head in his hands. He had completely given up when the score was 8-0.
As I said dink-and-dunk won´t do it.
A few of us did. On this board, and other experts as well.

What I found somewhat telling was that his deep field accuracy was really shot. He only threw deep a few times, and those passes were off. I can't tell if it's because he's getting older and doesn't have the same arm strength, or if he was unnerved by the pass rush, the pressure to bring the team back, or confounded by Seattle's defense. Or all of the above. Next year could be telling though if he can't throw deep with consistency. As in, end of career telling.

I loved the final score. A blow out. That leaves no questions.
Don't like blowouts as they are not exciting. But I agree, it left no question. It would have been worse if some turnover or bad penalty changed the outcome.
Greatest RS QB ever. No more, no less...
I still think people somewhat give him a bad rap on this. Tom Brady has lost two SB's, and a few playoff games he probably should have won. Brett Favre lost a SB and played poorly in a few bad games too. Jim Kelly lost 4 SB's.

But I think what skews it for Manning is that he has shown for years he can carve through weak defenses with alarming skill and consistency during the regular season. But against tough competition in big games, he becomes average, inconsistent. Now, average isn't bad. But when you're used to seeing him shred defenses and pile up unreal stats against weaker competition...
 
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Well done Seattle!

This is the first SB I have watched, and it was really boring.


So through the playoffs I have picked the wrong winner all but three times.:eek: Perhaps I should find out who I think is gonna win, then pick the opposite next year. Or maybe me picking a team jinxes them.:eek:
 
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ToreBear said:
This is the first SB I have watched, and it was really boring.
My experience watching SBs for a few years now is they tend to be fairly anticlimactic compared to the playoffs. If it hadn't been Seattle playing yesterday (I'm a Seahawk fan) I would have just switched the channel after halftime.


On a sidenote - The majority of the commercials ended up sucking, think the FCC had stepped in this year and made sure all the ads were PG and "family friendly". Ho-hum.

I did like the Tebow ads, though, at least he has a sense of humor about not having a contract. (Up until very recently this could have been Horner.)

Another sidenote - The inaugural Kitten Bowl on the Hallmark Channel looked kinda fun, think they named all the kittens after football players. ("Ferrel Owens" cracked me up.) I'm sure it'll be back next year, the Puppy Bowl has been around for ten years now.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
He's not the only one. You may recall that Kurt Warner used to wear gloves in fair weather as well, and it didn't affect his passing.

Can´t really remember when KW used gloves in good weather games. Anyway, he showed that he can perform with gloves and/or against monster defenses. NE couldn´t stop him from throwing 365 even tough they spyed the Rams and hold trou-out the game. Against PIT (as dominant as SEA trou the RS) he threw for 250+ in one half.
McMahon clobbered the Pats with gloves for 256 in only 20 attempts.
PM OTOH showed us all how miserable he is with gloves (see 1st NE game). If your arm strength isn´t good, all but one wouldn´t try to minimize it further by putting a glove on the throwing hand. As I said, this mystery PM takes to his grave. As Beli-Cheat will do with his suspect play-calling in that NYJ playoff loss some years ago.

Alpe d'Huez said:
I was at a big house with a SB party, and one die hard Denver fan there said similar to you. He said Denver has to move the ball in the first 2-3 drives, or it's over. When they couldn't, he already had his head in his hands. He had completely given up when the score was 8-0.

I gave up as soon PM took the field. For me there was still hope that he would put off the gloves after that legendary Namath coin toss (the last highlight for me before desaster struck). When he didn´t I tried to get on the mobile...

Alpe d'Huez said:
What I found somewhat telling was that his deep field accuracy was really shot. He only threw deep a few times, and those passes were off.

Ducks... when the official NFL advertising site writes about it (nfl.com), you can imagine how bad it was. Sure, some passes were tipped (inclusive the pick 6). But there were non pressure ducks too (like that 1st ugly INT).

Alpe d'Huez said:
I can't tell if it's because he's getting older and doesn't have the same arm strength, or if he was unnerved by the pass rush, the pressure to bring the team back, or confounded by Seattle's defense. Or all of the above. Next year could be telling though if he can't throw deep with consistency. As in, end of career telling.

Alpe d'Huez said:
But I think what skews it for Manning is that he has shown for years he can carve through weak defenses with alarming skill and consistency during the regular season. But against tough competition in big games, he becomes average, inconsistent. Now, average isn't bad. But when you're used to seeing him shred defenses and pile up unreal stats against weaker competition...
Nervous and unprepared (speak of that 1st snap). And he never really possesed a strong arm if we are all honest. He evened it out with his fast reads and quick release. But come pressure, his arm isn´t helping. So you are onto something here. That might be the reason he fails against good pass defenses. Once there isn´t much YAC gain, thus his dink-and-dunk isn´t working, he´s doomed.
Remember the Simms quote from circa two years ago "on 3-4 times during a game you need pure arm strengh in a game." May PM never needs it vs bad or average defenses b/c of all his release and read skills... thus leading to beautiful but useless stats.

Alpe d'Huez said:
Don't like blowouts as they are not exciting. But I agree, it left no question. It would have been worse if some turnover or bad penalty changed the outcome.

True. AFIR there was no game blown by the refs this year. It was a good post season.
Not every SB should be a thriller. It would be suspect by chance alone. I like the final score. Hoped for a good 50. But 43-8 looks also good. It shows the domination on all phases of the game.
Fox didn´t prepare his team: His team was out-hit, out-thought (speak of the Harvin runs for example; something completely missing with DEN), out special teamed, no single situation with a chance of a takeaway (but bad ball handling by DEN, not only Manning, but Thomas too), out defensed, and out offensed, even out gloved (Wilson didn´t use gloves).
This post might suffer from poor grammatics. I apologize, but didn´t found better words to express my thoughts.
 
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Alpe d'Huez said:
The '85 Bears and 2000 Ravens were better, a few more too, but this one was special. Especially to completely shut down this powerful offense like they did. And in perfect weather conditions.

Agree, not the best. The Bears, Ravens and Steelers played super D all season. The Seahawks were excellent all season, but after all, some teams moved the ball against them better than the Broncos did. OTOH, this is a higher scoring era than the past, and holding a team that set a scoring record to I think the third lowest score in SB history is phenomenal. Denver did not even have a first down until several minutes into the second quarter, though they did move the ball decently after that. There are great yardage defenses, the real shut down ones, and great scoring defenses. SE was more the latter. DE had several very promising drives that ended in turnovers.

Recall, 10 of the 13 ESPN "experts" had Denver winning. And the Broncos were favored.

Never understood that. And this is why this is one of the most embarrassing defeats in SB history. The DE team that lost to SF by the largest margin in SB history was a fourteen point underdog, I think the largest spread ever. They were supposed to get beaten badly. The SD team that lost badly to SF was a big underdog. The Giants team that got blown out by the Ravens was embarrassed, but they were not a great offensive team, even if they had stunned the Vikings in the NFC championship with a blowout of their own. The DE team that got blown out by Washington might have been slightly favored, the spread was not large in that game, but it was not an all time great team that was creating a legacy.In the AFC championship that year, they nearly blew a huge first half lead, saved only by a Cleveland fumble on the two yd line.

We've had a great run of close SBs, unlike the eighties when so many were blowouts, five in a row at one point. The last one before this one would have been TB vs. the Raiders, and I would say that was a pretty embarrassing defeat, too, as the Raiders were I think the no. one offense that year. But at least they scored some late TDs that made the score a little more respectable.

I think the toughest losses are the really close games, like the Niners last year, when you look back and say if one or two little things had gone the other way you would have won--and blowouts like this one. The easiest defeats to bear I think are when you lose by say ten to fourteen points. Enough so that you can't say you were just unlucky, but not so much that you can't say you didn't play pretty well.

But I agree with Foxxy that not every SB should be tight and exciting. Blowouts do highlight what one team can do when it becomes dominant, they perform a clinic that educates the rest of the league and the fans who pay attention. Plus, we all appreciate an exciting game more knowing that they aren't guaranteed.

Probably true. I can only imagine what's going on in the mind of diehard Broncos fans right now. Let alone what Manning must be thinking. All those touchdowns, all those records... and this is what they're left with. Ouch.

My first thought yesterday, glad I'm not a DE fan. But no one really enjoyed this game except die hard SE fans, and die hard fans of defense.

Now (and since Al Davis is dead!?) maybe this will open up the gates so other deserving Raiders have a better chance of getting in too (Stabler, Branch, Christiansen, Hayes, Plunkett).

All the ink Sherman and his eight picks got reminded me that Lester the molester Hayes had FIFTEEN interceptions including I think five in the playoffs going into the SB vs. the Eagles. That was the year of the ice bowl vs. Cleveland and Sipe, they also faced Stabler and Houston and Fouts and SD. That's three of the best QBs of the time, Sipe was player of the year, Fouts in HOF, as you say, Stabler should be. One of the greatest seasons ever by a CB. And back then, their idea of cheating was covering their bodies with stickum.

Since this sport is all about looking ahead (it is?!) my early 2015 Superbowl pick is San Francisco over Indianapolis.

The early line has SE favored to repeat, with, just like this past year, DE, SF and NE close behind. NE will get their injured starters back and no doubt go after some better receivers for Brady. SD may be on the rise, and if Dalton gets his act together, watch out for Cincy. In the NFC, a healthy Rodgers makes GB tough, CA is a good offense from being another SE.

Foxxy, I read an article a week or so ago documenting that Manning had a better passing record in the thirteen, I think it was, games in which he wore a glove than his overall record without it. Actually a higher QB efficiency. He has been fine with it in the past.
 
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avanti said:
I'm not a football fan but when I lived in Southern California the Rams played in Anaheim. Did they play in LA prior to Anaheim?

yes and won the first title game in 1951 and played at the Colosseum up until 1994
 
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FoxxyBrown1111 said:
As I said dink-and-dunk won´t do it. How would a average arm with a glove on the throwing hand complete a deep ball vs the best D? That secret PM will take to his grave.

I loved the final score. A blow out. That leaves no questions. Well deserved SB champ. No prevent defense, but statement set for 60 minutes.

And PM can stick himself where the sun don´t shine. He saved the "best" for last. Legacy set: Greatest RS QB ever. No more, no less...

Foxxy,
The locals will appreciate the props but it wasn't Peyton's glove.
It was what Thomas said to him on the first pass play when he got to meet Cam Chancellor: "don't throw to me again".
The fear began then and only got worse.
 
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Don't get me wrong, I actually like Peyton Manning. But didn't he look absolutely uncomfortable throughout the whole game?

Might have been mental, might have been physical. I just don't know...
 
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Moreover,

Seeing as Peyton is not the only team captain (who can pull the team back together after things had fallen apart), what the hell happened to the rest of them?

One might ask...
 
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The more I think about it... I'm actually more upset with the Broncos' complete team meltdown than I am happy with the 'Hawks win.

I mean, can you imagine cycling with a team like the Broncos right now?

(Might be a wrong analogy, but then I am new to cycling. And for that I apologize in advance.)
 
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Tricycle Rider said:
The more I think about it... I'm actually more upset with the Broncos' complete team meltdown than I am happy with the 'Hawks win.

I mean, can you imagine cycling with a team like the Broncos right now?

(Might be a wrong analogy, but then I am new to cycling. And for that I apologize in advance.)

Don't know who the Broncos are (carrots? - actually thats the Oakland Raiders- long history,good a decade ago, but absolutely suck recently), but the Seahawks are clearly Sky. Turning mid-low pack talent into a team of physical freaks who are 2 or 3 levels above everyone else.

The main one is a bit of a loudmouth (though to be fair, Tricky **** Sherman is nowhere near as bad as wiggins)