No giro for Scarponi

[Oliver]

Visconti as a GC rider in a 3 week race? He may surprise me but at this point I can't believe it.

And Leipheimer.. I don't think he will do the Giro because it's the same time with Californie. He definitely will choose Californie.

What about Pellizotti? Will he ride?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

Visconti as a GC rider in a 3 week race? He may surprise me but at this point I can't believe it.

And Leipheimer.. I don't think he will do the Giro because it's the same time with Californie. He definitely will choose Californie.

What about Pellizotti? Will he ride?

With 100km of TT'ing over three weeks, Leipheimer is a shoe in for the Tour. Pellizotti? Who cares.

 

[Dazed and Confused]

my dark horse is still fuglsang. if he has great climbing form and is able to stay with the big guns yeah he could do it.

Fuglsang appears to be little more than a glorified support rider at this point. Of course with the Giro start in Denmark, he should fit the bill in any case, but I would send a stronger GC rider along just in case of Fuglsang collapsing on the steep climbs.

 

[jens_attacks]

What about Pellizotti? Will he ride?

yes. but from what i've read it will be more like a di luca,thomas dekker comeback.he started the training very late,he won't be a factor.
he has contacts with liquigas,lampre,acqua e sapone and movistar i guess.
i agree with gadret,he will be a dangerous man.
fuglsang i don't know,he definitely can improve but i really doubt he can follow rujano or basso up the mountains.

 

[airstream]

Pay attention to Kanstantin Siutsou, pls. Extremely underrated rider. He saved Kirchen, Rogers for years. His 10th place at last year's Giro was the first captain experience. The only minus - he dislikes overly steep gradients, but everyone but Basso and possibly Gadret will have trouble with that. I'm sure in top-10 as minimum and hell be higher than Fuglsang 99%.

 

[Froome19]

Pay attention to Kanstantin Siutsou, pls. Extremely underrated rider. He saved Kirchen, Rogers for years. His 10th place at last year's Giro was the first captain experience. The only minus - he dislikes overly steep gradients, but everyone but Basso and possibly Gadret will have trouble with that. I'm sure in top-10 as minimum and hell be higher than Fuglsang 99%.

Indeed he is a good climber and under rated as well but his 10th place last year was only down to a breakaway (+ some time TT) so I wouldn't say he is exactly a guaranteed top 10, also the Sky dynamics also may have him working for Cav if he's starting to lose time in the first couple of Mountains stages or even for Henao...

 

[Froome19]

Fuglsang appears to be little more than a glorified support rider at this point. Of course with the Giro start in Denmark, he should fit the bill in any case, but I would send a stronger GC rider along just in case of Fuglsang collapsing on the steep climbs.

Indeed Fuglsang is a bit weak in the steep stuff and I would say Monfort would be a much safer bet for GC. but I believe that Fuglsang can really put in some top quality TT perfomances and truly improve in the discipline (if he puts some focus into it) so a top 10 especially considering most of the other riders going for it should be a given, a top 5 though he will have to put in a very convincing perfomance and have improved his climbing tremendously

 

[airstream]

Indeed he is a good climber and under rated as well but his 10th place last year was only down to a breakaway (+ some time TT) so I wouldn't say he is exactly a guaranteed top 10, also the Sky dynamics also may have him working for Cav if he's starting to lose time in the first couple of Mountains stages or even for Henao...

For sure, but he is able to get stronger. Again, he failed on Fedaia and Finestre with average grade over 9. This year edition includes only one stage like that, Alpe Pampeago, therefore why not... Hm, Henao, are you serious?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

VDV will be domestic for Hesjedal, since VDV is concentrating on the TDF. Im actually really curious about the line up for Movistar in the Giro, since I think Arroyo, Kiryienka both said to not ride it, Cobo and Valverde not riding so they probably come up with a selection like:

Bruseghin, Visconti, Samoilau, Quintana, Konovalavas, Pardilla, Lastras, Ventoso and another guy hopefully Moreno Bazan who can ride for himself.

If Moreno rides, José Herrada will be there, he's his loyal right hand man. I'm looking forward to seeing an in form Pardilla; he was excellent in Italy with CarmioOro in 2010.

I don't really see the point of Visconti trying for a GC. Not that he shouldn't but it would be better for the race for him to continue to be an aggressive attacking rider instead of trying to hang on for a top-20 in the mountains or saving his strength on the stages where he could attack.

Visconti as a GC rider in a 3 week race? He may surprise me but at this point I can't believe it.

1998 Giro d'Italia:
1 Marco Pantani (Ita) Mercatone Uno-Bianchi 98'48'32
2 Pavel Tonkov (Rus) Mapei-Bricobi +1'33"
3 Giuseppe Guerini (Ita) Polti +6'51"
4 Oskar Camenzind (Sui) Mapei-Bricobi +12'16"
5 Daniel Clavero (Esp) Vitalicio Seguros +18'04"
6 Gianni Faresin (Ita) Mapei-Bricobi +18'31"
7 Paolo Bettini (Ita) Asics-CGA +21'03"
8 Daniele de Paoli (Ita) Ros Mary-Amica Chips +21'35"
9 Paolo Savoldelli (Ita) Saeco +25'54"
10 Serguei Gonchar (Ukr) Cantina Tollo-Alexia +25'58"

Yes, it was all about breakaways that got him there, but there's often some surprise top 10er who does well in the mountains for a spot in the top 20 and gets in a break that gains a few minutes somewhere along the line in the last week; Siutsou last year, Nieve in the 2010 Vuelta, Deignan in the 2009 Vuelta, Le Mevel in the 2009 Tour, Horner in the 2010 Tour.

I would be amazed if Visconti does it, and even more amazed if he did it by any other means than being in the group behind the heads of state on all the key mountain stages, and getting in a break that goes a long way in another stage. After all, we know that a leaderless Movistar will throw attackers up the road left-right-and-centre, after the carnage they attempted to wreak on the 2011 Vuelta before illness ravaged the team; Marzio Bruseghin was off the front all the time, and of course the 2010 Tour, until Radioshack started shutting down all their attacks for the Teams classification. They're pretty good at giving themselves at least a minor role in GC battles they have no right to be part of.

 

[Froome19]

For sure, but he is able to get stronger. Again, he failed on Fedaia and Finestre with average grade over 9. This year edition includes only one stage like that, Alpe Pampeago, therefore why not... Hm, Henao, are you serious?

Wishful i guess but watching him, he does strike me as one of those riders who just comes and suprises everyone in their first GT. It's all speculation but he certainly has the talent and Sky really seem to be behind him (rather than Svitsov who they seem to have got mainly for his allround abilities and decent TT to power at the front). It seems like this year as if, to be the leader for Sky is very coveted and so even some free range in the mountains (which Henao seems to have been given) may actually mean a lot and of course if he does start doing well he will have the hugely talented Svitsov to help him

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

For sure, but he is able to get stronger. Again, he failed on Fedaia and Finestre with average grade over 9. This year edition includes only one stage like that, Alpe Pampeago, therefore why not... Hm, Henao, are you serious?

uh yeah. henao is sky's only gc possibility this upcoming giro like it or not. and also there's rujano that's better than all the riders you named so far in this topic.

 

[airstream]

And Cadel in 2005. I dont think we have to belittle such escapes. often no one helps a rider and he pulls the break alone for tens of kilometers.

uh yeah. henao is sky's only gc possibility this upcoming giro like it or not. and also there's rujano that's better than all the riders you named so far in this topic.

superb. ive learnt much new.

 

[Parrulo]

and moreno and costa probably to the tour

costa will either ride the tour or no GT at all and focus 100% on the classics this year (ardennes and autumn classics, worlds included ofc) but most likely he will ride the tour

You said basso was the better tter. when evidence was presented to you that suggests otherwise you dismissed it and pretended that you had actually been saying that scarponi wouldn't get much time on basso.

But what i don't get is why you call kvinto a hypocrite ? What has he said that makes him a hypocrite

it's useless to discuss any subject with airstream, you should know that by now

 

[Froome19]

Ryo won't like you looking over Rujano and Henao that much .

It all comes down to what kind of shape he'll be in (Rujano)coming May- If He had the same shape as last year's - he'll be threat-but the course ins't that suitable to his skills-has this year's Giro been as tough as last year's, There is no doubt Rujano could well win it-although the few MTF are gruel nonetheless & can well give him an advantage-but then the team support he lacks for the intermediate stages is where he won't be as powerful as Basso. .

indeed he is.
Think as far as team leaders go...
Rujano
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at this point if they invite acqua e sapone,di luca might get on the podium.
this might be one of the weakest giro startlists i remember.
rujano the big favourite unless basso improves a lot his 2010 form.
if scarponi doesn't come,rcs will be forced to invite acqua e sapone,they really need some big names now,it's pathetic.

, Rujano or Kreuziger. But ofcourse Purito will blow it on all on one mountain, as he always does, Rujano will find a flat stage to lose six minutes. That leaves Kreuziger, whom Basso will beat 9 times out of 10.

at least, if igor anton and euskatel really want to win a grand tour he should go to the giro in top shape now, shouldn't they?
if rujano won't lose 6 minutes on a flat stage again, he could really win this. basso isn't get younger anymore. androni has a strong squad to support him with serpa, rodriguez, monsalve, ochoa e.t.c
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uh yeah. henao is sky's only gc possibility this upcoming giro like it or not. and also there's rujano that's better than all the riders you named so far in this topic.

Hasen't been named? I count that as 7 posts about him...

at least, if igor anton and euskatel really want to win a grand tour he should go to the giro in top shape now, shouldn't they?
..

Euskaltel don't really want to win a GT, they really want to win the Vuelta.
TBH however ridiculous it may sound, Sanchez's and Anton's wins on basque territory in the vuelta and tour, probably mean more to them than winning the Giro. Its all about popularity back at home especially for a team with fans like the basque and due to their sponsorship structure
The only reason Anton raced the Giro last year was due to him having some spare time before the Vuelta, as shown by the fact that after Zoncolan he didn't seem to really care about the race anymore.
Also Anton seems to be one of those Andy type guys with specific peaks so by racing Giro he would struggle possibly in Vuelta and also in classics which he wants to do and where he has showed potential.

 

[shalgo]

All I need now is a few more drop-outs and my CQ fantasy podium of Kreuzinger, Fuglsang, and Henao will become a reality.

 

[airstream]

Wishful i guess but watching him, he does strike me as one of those riders who just comes and suprises everyone in their first GT. It's all speculation but he certainly has the talent and Sky really seem to be behind him (rather than Svitsov who they seem to have got mainly for his allround abilities and decent TT to power at the front). It seems like this year as if, to be the leader for Sky is very coveted and so even some free range in the mountains (which Henao seems to have been given) may actually mean a lot and of course if he does start doing well he will have the hugely talented Svitsov to help him

Do you admit, a gt debutant will fly on the climbs? It's doubly wishful.


Parrulo, it's ok. I'm not going to adjust to people who have overly elevated feelings to Contador. This is not an essential condition of communication on the forum. My argument on Contador and Schleck on high mountain stages had a little difference from Kvinto's one about Scarpo and Basso in ITT, however I was completely misunderstood.

I'm sorry, Kvinto, if some of my words seemed disrespectful. I didn't want to insult anyone. I know you got me correctly. That's it.

 

[Froome19]

All I need now is a few more drop-outs and my CQ fantasy podium of Kreuzinger, Fuglsang, and Henao will become a reality.

Just swap fuglsang for Majka (probably more likely anyway) and likewise with me.
Slagter and Kessiakoff should make it a dream top 5

 

[Froome19]

Do you admit, a gt debutant will fly on the climbs? It's doubly wishful.

There have been cases including concerning a rider who is rather special to you..

 

[airstream]

There have been cases including concerning a rider who is rather special to you..

Riders like Andy Schleck are born once in 100 years.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Hasen't been named? I count that as 7 posts about him...



Euskaltel don't really want to win a GT, they really want to win the Vuelta.
TBH however ridiculous it may sound, Sanchez's and Anton's wins on basque territory in the vuelta and tour, probably mean more to them than winning the Giro. Its all about popularity back at home especially for a team with fans like the basque and due to their sponsorship structure
The only reason Anton raced the Giro last year was due to him having some spare time before the Vuelta, as shown by the fact that after Zoncolan he didn't seem to really care about the race anymore.
Also Anton seems to be one of those Andy type guys with specific peaks so by racing Giro he would struggle possibly in Vuelta and also in classics which he wants to do and where he has showed potential.

I was talking abotu airstream not naming him once. btu I se enow he's completely out of synch with reality and therefore understand it.

btw the course this year suits rujano a lot better than the one in 2011. I thougth that was obvious

 

[Fetisoff]

Riders like Andy Schleck are born once in 100 years.

So who was the last one before Andy then?

 

[Libertine Seguros]

Riders like Andy Schleck are born once in 100 years.

 

[Ryo Hazuki]

Riders like Andy Schleck are born once in 100 years.

I disagree. raymond poulidor, joop zoetemelk and jan ullrich were all born much more recent

 

[Froome19]

Riders like Andy Schleck are born once in 100 years.

I disagree. raymond poulidor, joop zoetemelk and jan ullrich were all born much more recent

+100

Anyway if you discount the possibility of Henao doing well in the giro then you're discounting the possibilty of any youngsters in their first GT (not very wise considering how Majka is probably going to top10 anyway if Saxo races)
BTW Henao already is certainly not like Schleck already and will never be or want to be as he has already shown himself as wanting to race and do well in other races (see other thread about his exploits in flanders)
Edit: Demare & Battaglin will also smash the field in the sprint and hilly stages respectively

 

[Parrulo]

hahah priceless

i bet airstream completely missed the joke on that pic