Official Lance Armstrong Thread: Part 3 (Post-Confession)

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

From linebacker

to GT winner, at least for a few years.

Jalabert:

“I knew him before his cancer episode and he was a serious rival and I’d say that I was able to compete with him – though I don’t have any precise memories of riding with him in the high mountains – but in one day races, Classics and in week-long stage races, races that suited me, I was able to follow him without any problems. When he came back into the bunch after he had recovered from his illness he was like…in a way he was like the incarnation of an American comic book hero who had overcome death and was now stronger than before. And, after that, for many of us who were reduced to the status of spectators and even for riders competing against him there was a feeling of powerlessness. No matter how hard the race was there was just no way to drop him, we had no idea how to deal with this guy, he was just so much stronger than everyone else.”

http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/laurent-jalabert-doping-epo-senate/

 

[Benotti69]

From linebacker

to GT winner, at least for a few years.

Jalabert:

http://www.biscuittinmedia.com/laurent-jalabert-doping-epo-senate/

The extent to which the UCI enabled and assisted Armstrong really needs to be told.

That was the question Oprah should have persisted with.

 

[tony west]

Cant Help Myself

I cant help myself, I still like the man, He was the best on something and the best when not on something, well in my book, as someone tweeted, You don't go to a gun fight with out a GUN, and as for the people that made a lot of money out of him, the turned away, BOO to you, Tony.

 

[tony west]

The Others

So why has nothing been done about the other, Jalabert: Cipollini, Eddy Merckx, Erik Zabel, Djamolidine Abdoujaparov, Richard Virenque, Alex Zülle , Frankie Andreu, Marco Pantani, Stefan Schumacher, Danilo Di Luca, and the one its been so quiet about CUNEGO Damiano.

 

[red_flanders]

Hey Tony,

First of all welcome aboard! I see you joined recently.

I think you'll find that many of those you listed did face sanctions, some served extensive bans.. As for Merckx, well that's going back a bit when the rules were fundamentally different.

 

[Benotti69]

I cant help myself, I still like the man, He was the best on something and the best when not on something, well in my book, as someone tweeted, You don't go to a gun fight with out a GUN, and as for the people that made a lot of money out of him, the turned away, BOO to you, Tony.

When was he not on something? He was nicknamed 'roid neck' as a teenage triathlete due to his copius consumption of steroids. He was doping with Carmichael when he 1st entered cycling and never stopped.

He was never the best. He was always cheating. He wasn't event he best cheat. He needed the UCI to fix it so that he won.

 

[frenchfry]

When was he not on something? He was nicknamed 'roid neck' as a teenage triathlete due to his copius consumption of steroids. He was doping with Carmichael when he 1st entered cycling and never stopped.

He was never the best. He was always cheating. He wasn't event he best cheat. He needed the UCI to fix it so that he won.

It could be argued that getting the UCI fix was just part of the cheating, so he was possibly the best cheat.

But I do get your point.

 

[frenchfry]

So why has nothing been done about the other, Jalabert: Cipollini, Eddy Merckx, Erik Zabel, Djamolidine Abdoujaparov, Richard Virenque, Alex Zülle , Frankie Andreu, Marco Pantani, Stefan Schumacher, Danilo Di Luca, and the one its been so quiet about CUNEGO Damiano.

Quality post. You are obviously going to be a valuable member of these forums and I look forward to learning lots from such an informed person.

 

[Fearless Greg Lemond]

The extent to which the UCI enabled and assisted Armstrong really needs to be told.

That was the question Oprah should have persisted with.

Nah, the question Ophrah Walsh should have asked him:
''Çouldnt you just accept you were going to be a hilly classics rider, and just accept u sukked at GT's?''.

End of linebacker to GT story.

edit:
additional question:

''Hey Lance, do you think you caused your own cancer with all that crap you shot in your ****?''.

 

[Benotti69]

Nah, the question Ophrah Walsh should have asked him:
''Çouldnt you just accept you were going to be a hilly classics rider, and just accept u sukked at GT's?''.

End of linebacker to GT story.

edit:
additional question:

''Hey Lance, do you think you caused your own cancer with all that crap you shot in your ****?''.

YES, this was an important question.

 

[coinneach]

Paul Kimmage interview with Alex Gibney

http://www.theguardian.com/sport/2013/oct/20/lance-armstrong-drugs-in-sport

Facinating read: revealing about Lance, Gibney & Kimmage.

It's easy to see how Kimmage rubs people up the wrong way too.

It'd be great to see both films beside each other some day.

Similarly, I'd love to see an edited voice over film about the tour Tyler did with the broken bones (forgotten the name of the original, ATPIT)

 

[blackcat]

Nah, the question Ophrah Walsh should have asked him:
''Çouldnt you just accept you were going to be a hilly classics rider, and just accept u sukked at GT's?''.

End of linebacker to GT story.

edit:
additional question:

''Hey Lance, do you think you caused your own cancer with all that crap you shot in your @rse?''.

good post
but tightend not linebacker

 

[Fatclimber]

Facinating read: revealing about Lance, Gibney & Kimmage.

It's easy to see how Kimmage rubs people up the wrong way too.

It'd be great to see both films beside each other some day.

Similarly, I'd love to see an edited voice over film about the tour Tyler did with the broken bones (forgotten the name of the original, ATPIT)

Interesting read indeed, makes me curious to see it as well as Gibney's other films. The only thing I don't get is why lance thought keeping the secret was unbelievable any longer. He clearly had the casual/non-fans swallowing his BS up to that point. I know some of them. All the casual fools are the ones he should care about anyway. Us extreme minority actual US cycling fans were battling him the whole way as it was.

 

[gooner]

Finished Wheelmen a couple of days back and highly recommend it. In one aspect it gave a great vivid picture of the Armstrong financial empire he built up over the years and the different characters involved around it. Overall the authors gave a great chronology of the whole story.

Livingston didn't half BS his way in front of the grand jury and it must be said Hincapie as well saying he never saw Lance dope which is in direct contrast to Landis and his recollection of the bus breaking down incident.

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Quality post. You are obviously going to be a valuable member of these forums and I look forward to learning lots from such an informed person.

Please be sure you remove your tongue from your cheek before eating - the result of failure can be exquisitely painful for you

 

[Briant_Gumble]

The only thing I don't get is why lance thought keeping the secret was unbelievable any longer. He clearly had the casual/non-fans swallowing his BS up to that point. I know some of them. All the casual fools are the ones he should care about anyway. Us extreme minority actual US cycling fans were battling him the whole way as it was.

I agree, up until the Oprah interview most of the people I knew thought Lance was innocent, then there was the fact of the manner of the confession not just that he confessed "To be honest Oprah we sued so many people I can't even remember/I could you crazy, I called you a ***** but I never called you fat".

I do believe Lance cared about his legacy within cycling and wanted to be viewed in a similar way to Merckxx and Anquetil at the expense of some people he viewed as dumb . When he talked about "the true believers" in the interview I thought he was going to burst out laughing.

 

[Benotti69]

Interesting read indeed, makes me curious to see it as well as Gibney's other films. The only thing I don't get is why lance thought keeping the secret was unbelievable any longer. He clearly had the casual/non-fans swallowing his BS up to that point. I know some of them. All the casual fools are the ones he should care about anyway. Us extreme minority actual US cycling fans were battling him the whole way as it was.

Because, USADA were going give him a life time ban. He thought going on Oprah would swell public opinion in behind him and that politicians might back him to compete and pressure USADA. But it backfired massively and he destroyed his own yellow shield for the fans he had left.

But Armstrong stopped living in the real world when he had the UCI by the short and curlies in 1999. He thought he could do anything. Thankfully, Landis, Betsy, Emma, Walsh, Kimmage and Tygart all refused to role over.

 

[pastronef]

L.A. fall in Cali 2010

http://www.neilbrowne.com/2013/10/wheelman-cover-rare-armstrong-moment/

 

[webbie146]

L.A. fall in Cali 2010

http://www.neilbrowne.com/2013/10/wheelman-cover-rare-armstrong-moment/

hmm I think Lance in 2010 was the thinnest he's ever got. Anyways a lot of bad things can be said about the guy but he was no ***** or *****ing about pain and stuff that the video shows.

 

[Briant_Gumble]

I do some work as an extra/supporting artist on film/TV shows here in London. UK.

I received a text today from my agency 2020 casting asking if I would like to be an extra in the Lance Armstrong film filming in London on 3rd November.

 

[thehog]

I do some work as an extra/supporting artist on film/TV shows here in London. UK.

I received a text today from my agency 2020 casting asking if I would like to be an extra in the Lance Armstrong film filming in London on 3rd November.

Can you ride a bike?

 

[FitSsikS]

Can you ride a bike?

It's not about the bike...

 

[coinneach]

I do some work as an extra/supporting artist on film/TV shows here in London. UK.

I received a text today from my agency 2020 casting asking if I would like to be an extra in the Lance Armstrong film filming in London on 3rd November.

Don't be late for that one: "Every Second Counts"

 

[gooner]

Greg is on Anderson Cooper later. An extract below from it.

Anderson Cooper: In 2001 in an interview you said, 'If Lance is clean, it’s the greatest comeback in the history of sports. If he isn't it would be the greatest fraud.' Do you think what Lance Armstrong did was the greatest fraud in the history of sports?

Greg LeMond: Absolutely. Absolutely. The greatest fraud was that, I mean, I know his physical capabilities. He's a top 30 at best. I mean, at best. No matter what. If he was clean and everybody else was clean, he's a top 30 at best. He's not capable of winning the Tour. He's not capable of the top 5.

Cooper: What do you think should happen to him now?

LeMond: This is not a sporting infraction. This is criminal.

Cooper: You think he should go to jail.

LeMond: I do, yeah. This was an organized mafia and he literally tried to destroy people.

http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...ance-champ-greglemond-speaks-wandersoncooper/

 

[red_flanders]

Greg is on Anderson Cooper later. An extract below from it.



http://cnnpressroom.blogs.cnn.com/2...ance-champ-greglemond-speaks-wandersoncooper/

Wow, that's pretty intense. People are going to think he's a bit unhinged.