Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[thehog]

Cycling's comic cycle, more like. This'll make a great dark comedy some day. Some kind of French New Wave thing.

No friends in Aspen for Lance: http://www.aspendailynews.com/node/147475/results

 

[Cobblestoned]

We shouldn't be afraid of there being more than one side to a story.

They are...they are. And now you are banned. What a surprise.

Now you are banned, after being taken on and being called whatever names by countless people, while you never used really a rude word.
It's always a shock for the choir, when someone appears having a different opinion and tries to discuss it in a good manner. Doesn't work either.

Another differrent view banned - thats how the majority is built around here.
If you try it nice - you are out immediately.
Easy thing for the mods to sort you out by just saying you are a troll returning.
We'll never know.
Saw much trolling and trolls when reading up last view pages - you were clearly not one of them and it was a refreshing read.
Too fresh. See ya.

 

[Stevie039]

No friends in Aspen for Lance: http://www.aspendailynews.com/node/147475/results

I want to vote for witness intimidation, but there's already a genuine Aspen majority for witness tampering.

Should clinic readers infiltrate this Aspen based poll with their Lance hatred? I vote yes.

 

[Cobblestoned]

I want to vote for witness intimidation, but there's already a genuine Aspen majority for witness tampering.

Should clinic readers infiltrate this Aspen based poll with their Lance hatred? I vote yes.

Good call. They will love you.
Yeah that will put even more meaningfulness into that poll.
The clinics' public strategies is already working on it right now. Wargriders are on their way.
You could overtake thehog's night shift and become a forum hero.
Well, you are a true hero already anyway just by your statement. Perfect entry for a newbie to be well accepted by the choir.

Hope you are able to top thehog. 38 is really poor.

 

[Stevie039]

Good call. They will love you.
Yeah that will put even more meaningfulness into that poll.
The clinics' public strategies is already working on it right now. Wargriders are on their way.
You could overtake thehog's night shift and become a forum hero.
Well, you are a true hero already anyway just by your statement. Perfect entry for a newbie to be well accepted by the choir.

Hope you are able to top thehog. 38 is really poor.

i think you've spent too much time on this forum bro

 

[JRTinMA]

Lance's vendetta against Frankie Andreu needs to be taken into account. Tyler must be well aware of Lance reportedly being behind Andreu's removal from a number of jobs. The threat of making his life a f***ing hell could reasonably be interpreted as a threat to his future livelihood.

Frankie got let go because he sucked at his job. He was boring and devoid of personality. Two companies merged and they shed some dead weight.

 

[thehog]

Frankie got let go because he sucked at his job. He was boring and devoid of personality. Two companies merged and they shed some dead weight.

I'm with you. No one was going to be able to complete with Bob Rob when it came to personalities in front of the camera.

 

[JRTinMA]

I'm with you. No one was going to be able to complete with Bob Rob when it came to personalities in front of the camera.

Excellent point, he has a lot of personality, problem is its all bad. Everybody wants dopers purged from the cycling business, might as well begin with Frankie. He would have been long forgotten if he didn't extend his career with dope. Talk about a donkey to a race horse...

You are the most entertaining Hog when you play along like your post above.

 

[MarkvW]

Regarding Armstrong approaching Hamilton:



No. The burden is on any citizen -- you me or Lance -- to not intimidate or harass Hamilton with regard to his GJ testimony. The burden is definitively not on Hamilton.



It's a distinction without a difference as regards intimidation. Intimidating Hamilton, a federal witness, is intimidating a federal witness -- it doesn't really matter the subject. so long as it can be reasonably construed to potentially affect (reverse) his testimony. THAT'S what's known as 'discretion'. The other citations in this thread were abuses of the term.

And as for the second potential charge, harassment: That's nearly as it sounds. If Armstrong indeed arrived later, spotted, and approached Hamilton, his neck is clearly on the block for this, should the feds wish it.

It should be said, too, that Armstrong's reported threats that he and his lawyers plan to 'make [Hamilton's] life a ****ing hell' are not something you quoted, Mark. But they do appear to potentially be OOJ witness retaliation, a separate crime, (18 U.S.C. 1513). Should there be testimony to validate Hamilton's report.

It's not a distinction without a difference. It's a factor the feds must take into account, because in the end, it is a jury that would decide whether Lance intimidated a witness or just yelled at a guy who trashed him on TV.

If the feds are going to do anything on this, they'll do it soon, IMO. The proof isn't complicated and the primary reason is to make the BS stop.

 

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[MarkvW]

shawn, i have 2 questions.

it appears that armstrong was the one who stopped hamilton walking by. this is one of the confirmed facts (both by the restaurant co-owner and the hamilton's lawyer).

could this alone be the grounds for ooj charges if it also can be confirmed that armstrong was tipped off as to hamilton's presence in the restaurant ?

and how likely you think that armstrong's communications are tapped by the feds already ?

"Tapped already" would mean that a judge has found probable cause to believe that a crime, or evidence of a crime, can be heard when listening to the calls. It would also imply that the feds are going after Armstrong like they went after Gotti. That's not likely.

The cost of this investigation is going to be carefully examined in light of its ultimate yield. I doubt this is a 'cost is no object' investigation.

 

[rickshaw]

How dare a mere "newbie"....

i think you've spent too much time on this forum bro

you THINK he's spent too much time on this forum? You obviously haven't spent enough time on this forum

 

[MarkvW]

Interesting post from you, MarkvW, responding in another thread on May 25 to the question of whether LA would pressure or try to influence Hincapie:



What say you now?



Honestly, I think if we knew what went on behind the scenes between LA and his people in collusion with the UCI muck-a-mucks vis a vis former postal riders and others getting busted, we'd be shocked. Of course that's just a guess on my part. One thing is sure, though: if Landis hadn't been busted, or if Armstrong had taken him in after he was busted, we wouldn't be having this discussion, any of it.

That's easy! I would say that Lance is mind-bogglingly stupid. This is a PR disaster and it places him at risk for criminal prosecution.

Maybe he was stupid enough to tamper with GJ witnesses . . .

 

[thehog]

you THINK he's spent too much time on this forum? You obviously haven't spent enough time on this forum

What's your name boy? You talk tough.

 

[rickshaw]

What's your name boy? You talk tough.

please sir... more porridge?

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

The cost of this investigation is going to be carefully examined in light of its ultimate yield. I doubt this is a 'cost is no object' investigation.

Triple damages can be recovered. That is more than $90 million. Subtract off Floyd's share and this investigation will turn a profit.

 

[Maxiton]

They are...they are. And now you are banned. What a surprise.

Now you are banned, after being taken on and being called whatever names by countless people, while you never used really a rude word.
It's always a shock for the choir, when someone appears having a different opinion and tries to discuss it in a good manner. Doesn't work either.

Another differrent view banned - thats how the majority is built around here.
If you try it nice - you are out immediately.
Easy thing for the mods to sort you out by just saying you are a troll returning.
We'll never know.
Saw much trolling and trolls when reading up last view pages - you were clearly not one of them and it was a refreshing read.
Too fresh. See ya.

I agree. The unbridled hatred around here is a bit much. Was the latest banned poster BPC? Maybe. Is BPC Armstrong? Maybe again. Whoever it is, he made some key points, and I enjoyed reading what he had to say. I see a lot of Armstrong banning running through these forums, but I don't see anyone banning his enemies. I don't want to have any truck anymore with such one-sided BS.

 

[Oldman]

Excellent point, he has a lot of personality, problem is its all bad. Everybody wants dopers purged from the cycling business, might as well begin with Frankie. He would have been long forgotten if he didn't extend his career with dope. Talk about a donkey to a race horse...
You are the most entertaining Hog when you play along like your post above.

Having raced against him on the track when he was a junior and on the road later you are way off base. He was fast and a great pursuit-type road rider. Whether that translates into a Tour level domestique is another issue but he wasn't without ability; none of these guys were anything but above average. The crime in it all was the few that were much better but wouldn't drink the soup. I keep saying it and closure will come for many when the case gets closed although Tyler Hamilton's (incomplete) testimony did alot.

 

[jackwolf]

i imagine the fbi are up to date on recovering data from computer and hard drives without too much difficulty.

Unfortunately not even the FBI can square the circle, trisect an angle, teleport, or reverse gravity. If the drive has been formatted or overwritten, I'm afraid the data's gone. There would be evidence left of the deletion, though.

 

[Deagol]

....., it is a jury that would decide whether Lance intimidated a witness or just yelled at a guy who trashed him on TV.
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TH did not "trash" him on TV. Did you see the interview? TH was practically bending over backwards to paint the whole thing in the best possible light for LA . You could tell he was afraid of Lance.

 

[Cerberus]

Unfortunately not even the FBI can square the circle, trisect an angle, teleport, or reverse gravity. If the drive has been formatted or overwritten, I'm afraid the data's gone. There would be evidence left of the deletion, though.

Is there actually any evidence that there ever was a tape? The owner says not, and while he could be lying to cover up for Armstrong, the possibility that he's telling the truth can hardly be dismissed out of hand.

 

[Stingray34]

Armstrong's camp remarkably subdued.

Fabiani as heard on Monday morning: "He did what? Son of a Gunder!"

 

[shawnrohrbach]

Unfortunately not even the FBI can square the circle, trisect an angle, teleport, or reverse gravity. If the drive has been formatted or overwritten, I'm afraid the data's gone. There would be evidence left of the deletion, though.

Not quite true. I am in this business and vee have vays to make hard drives talk!

 

[RTMcFadden]

Not quite true. I am in this business and vee have vays to make hard drives talk!

Thought your name seemed familiar. I do believe we've done business in the past. If so, I can attest to the fact that his kung fu is strong.

 

[Oldman]

Some good news for Lance:
Although retired OPRAH wants to get an inteview confession from OJ! That would leave the door open for Oedipus Tex to tearfully air all of his family history, the absent father/mother love complex, etc. All of the things that led him to crave our love so much that he had no alternative but to be an a*shole...er, I mean take PEDs! Fabiani should set it up before indictments are handed down.