Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Dallas_]

Truth and humour

"The case has since moved on from that point, with more agencies becoming involved. These include the Federal Bureau of Investigation , the U.S. Postal Service’s Office of Inspector General, plus both the civil and criminal divisions of the Department of Justice."

I presume the IRS is part of the Department of Justice.

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...Service-investigation-continuing-onwards.aspx

A very good article by Velonation.


And to finish post with some humour:

"No one trains like me. No one rides like me"
http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Lance_Armstrong

"Everybody wants to know what I'm on. What am I on? I'm on my bike busting my *** six hours a day."
http://www.slate.com/id/2121809/

Most on the forum know what MiracleBoy was on. Just waiting for Novi to officially reveal the details to the general public.
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[Maxiton]

Have you guys seen / talked about this yet?

http://bikezilla.wordpress.com/2011/04/21/lance-armstrong-interviewed-by-evan-smith-on-triblive/

Check out the interviewer here. Prostitution must pay well in Texas.

I liked Lance's closing line: "I think people understand that this is a complex disease and it's going to take some time."

Wait, what was that? "I think people understand that this is a complex disease and it's going to take some time."

In the context of the interview, it's clear Lance is implying here that his foundation (and, by extension, him) is working on a cure for cancer. And he is pleading for time to get it done. OMG. BTW, IMO Bikezilla's reading of this interview is dead on.

 

[Stingray34]

This also from the full transcript:

Also, AFTER that first improperly released positive, which does not count if you have a TUE, he never again tested positive. So he did truly save his life and then won six more Tours de France. But it may not be that simple… why did he get testicular cancer in the first place at that young age… that’s also a symptom of steroid abuse.

Again, the origin of the cancer is questioned. The attribution of Gunderson's cancer to steriod abuse is getting some serious attention now.

 

[jimmypop]

This also from the full transcript:



Again, the origin of the cancer is questioned. The attribution of Gunderson's cancer to steriod abuse is getting some serious attention now.

1) Abuse PEDs and become a successful athlete;
2) Give yourself/Cause unchecked growth of cancer through PED abuse;
3) Launch an amazing post-cancer comeback, abusing the same pharmaceuticals that assisted you through cancer treatment;
4) Profit!

I see no reason not to dope.

 

[Benotti69]

1) Abuse PEDs and become a successful athlete;
2) Give yourself/Cause unchecked growth of cancer through PED abuse;
3) Launch an amazing post-cancer comeback, abusing the same pharmaceuticals that assisted you through cancer treatment;
4) Profit!

I see no reason not to dope.

5) Get caught and have it all come crashing down around you leaving you forever tarnished as a cheat and fraud.

 

[Susan Westemeyer]

I presume the IRS is part of the Department of Justice.

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The Internal Revenue Service is part of the Department of the Treasury.

Susan

 

[DirtyWorks]

Irony and More

According to this, http://www.texastribune.org/texas-h...liveblog-a-conversation-with-lance-armstrong/, he is claimed to have made the statement,

"When you are jeopardizing the life and health of other people around you, you lose your rights."

Indeed.

But, he showed his hand a bit with this line,

I think there's also a place for big pharma and private business.

The guy already repped big pharma, but I think this is bigger and gets back to the whole murky .com/.org discussion.

 

[Hampsten88]

Gilbert is a phenomenal talent. Personally, I think he has a preparatore, but his talent is absolutely undeniable. Moreover, he understands racing tactics.

You insult the original poster, but then essentially say he is correct?!?!?!

 

[Hampsten88]

I'll let my comment and yours stand for the other board posters to decide which one makes more sense.

Interesting response. After posting all insults, rather then respond to the logical response to your one on topic comment you seem to hide behind your forum buddies.

 

[Hampsten88]

It's not a 91 hour ITT. Have you heard of drafting.

Yes, but when it comes to doping you can't simply pick and choose which moment the dope has the 1% affect.

Let's say in that 91 hours Contador spent 3 hours "racing" (which includes over an hour of ITT, so I'd say three hours is conservative), you are still talking about the difference between winning and finishing third when talk about 1%. Enough to not be very simple to overcome.

 

[Hampsten88]

OK, I thought you were actually posting serious comments. I guess that was my fault. You subsequent posts put things in a more clear light. Thanks for clearing that up for me.

It's interesting to see how many people on here decide to make comments about the poster and not try to discuss the topic when things don't go there way. I am guessing you had no intention on having a discussion anyway.

 

[Hampsten88]

This message is hidden because Moose McKnuckles is on your ignore list.

The smartest thing he has said all night.

 

[Hampsten88]

The original poster states incorrectly that Philippe Gilbert is a sudden phenomenon, which has been proven to be false.

Additionally, when the OP says "We all wish we were wrong but we do know better" when referencing Gilbert, where is the proof that he has an amazing array of pharmaceutical products helping propel him faster than all comers? That smacks of "guilty by association until proven innocent".

Yet Moose made no mention of him not being a sudden phenom, he simply said he believes he dopes and that Gilbert raced a smart race (sorry I don't have the exact quote, but after seeing that he is Mr. Anonymous Internet Tough Guy I put him on ignore), which agrees with most of what the OP said.

When it comes to the second part I agree completely, but you should be going after Moose as well as the OP, not me.

 

[Francois the Postman]

The Gold Medal discussion has been given a separate thread:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=13221

 

[Cimacoppi49]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...Service-investigation-continuing-onwards.aspx

Look for a RICO indictment against Armstrong, Weisel and friends.

 

[D-Queued]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...Service-investigation-continuing-onwards.aspx

Look for a RICO indictment against Armstrong, Weisel and friends.

Provides a directed counterpoint to the PS/opinion shaping pursued by Lance et al:


Contrary to suggestions made in an AP article released in February, there are little clear indications of ‘serious hurdles,’ as was stated then.

VeloNation has spoken to sources with knowledge of the matter and understands that investigators are continuing to build what they feel is a solid case.

...

the developments in relation to Michele Ferrari raise questions, as do Italian investigators’ recent claims that he and Armstrong met several times in recent years, including before last year’s Tour de France

Old habits die hard.

Dave.

 

[Oldman]

http://www.velonation.com/News/ID/8...Service-investigation-continuing-onwards.aspx

Look for a RICO indictment against Armstrong, Weisel and friends.

Now folks are getting it. When they follow the money it goes past Armstrong.

 

[Dallas_]

Reality

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...orities-examine-armstrong-ferrari-ties_169668
Article by Charles Pelkey


and comment by LA

"Oh Charles, you're so clueless."

http://www.celebritytweet.com/lancearmstrong/link/61172958894370816/


Maybe Charles Pelkey was a former fanboy and has finally faced reality!
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[powerste]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...orities-examine-armstrong-ferrari-ties_169668
Article by Charles Pelkey


and comment by LA

"Oh Charles, you're so clueless."

http://www.celebritytweet.com/lancearmstrong/link/61172958894370816/


Maybe Charles Pelkey was a former fanboy and has finally faced reality!
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Charles:
"The Italian sports daily La Gazzetta dello Sport reported..."
"La Gazzetta’s Luca Gialanella reported..."
"Thursday’s report in Gazzetta notes that..."

LA:
"You're clueless"

Boy, did LA ever show him who's clueless. Too bad we didn't get a Fabiani quote instead of a LATweet...at least Mark's missives are entertaining!

 

[Cimacoppi49]

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...orities-examine-armstrong-ferrari-ties_169668
Article by Charles Pelkey


and comment by LA

"Oh Charles, you're so clueless."

http://www.celebritytweet.com/lancearmstrong/link/61172958894370816/


Maybe Charles Pelkey was a former fanboy and has finally faced reality!
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Back in the late 1990s through around 2005, I had many email conversations with Charles. He was never a fanboy of Armstrong. He was aware of a good deal that could not be proven and thus could not be printed. IIRC, he told me of the rumor circulating at the time of Operation Puerto that Postal had nothing to fear as they used a blood operation in Valencia. Reality is finally busting out all over--just like Spring.

 

[Race Radio]

Back in the late 1990s through around 2005, I had many email conversations with Charles. He was never a fanboy of Armstrong. He was aware of a good deal that could not be proven and thus could not be printed. IIRC, he told me of the rumor circulating at the time of Operation Puerto that Postal had nothing to fear as they used a blood operation in Valencia. Reality is finally busting out all over--just like Spring.

Del Morel and Walter Viru.

 

[thehog]

Charles Pelkey joined VeloNews in 1994 after serving as press secretary for former GOP Whip Alan K. Simpson in the U.S. Senate. Pelkey has worked as a journalist since 1985 and has held a number of editorial positions at VeloNews and currently serves as Senior Editor of VeloNews.com. Pelkey has a Juris Doctorate from the University of Wyoming College of Law and lives in Laramie, Wyoming, with Diana, his wife of 25 years, and their two children, Philip and Annika, whose presence serves as a constant reminder of what really matters.

- yes. clueless. well done lance.

http://velonews.competitor.com/2011...orities-examine-armstrong-ferrari-ties_169668
Article by Charles Pelkey


and comment by LA

"Oh Charles, you're so clueless."

http://www.celebritytweet.com/lancearmstrong/link/61172958894370816/


Maybe Charles Pelkey was a former fanboy and has finally faced reality!
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[Bicicleta]

Del Morel and Walter Viru.

Yep - time for a little re-visiting: http://bicycling.com/blogs/boulderreport/tag/luis-del-moral/

Manzano also alleged that Viru had used his role to inform other team doctors of impending tests, including former U.S. Postal Service and Discovery team doctor Luis Del Moral.

PS this is where Trent Lowe went (Valencia clinic)

 

[Fausto's Schnauzer]

He was never a fanboy of Armstrong.

I've known dear Chuck Pelkey (he'll hate me for that ) for about 20 years. He's one of the very few cycling scribes who could be described at "clueful." Very clueful. Yeah, he's very cautious about what goes into print...you don't stay on the same job for two decades by going off half-cocked...but know that this guy has heard all the dirt and has had plenty of riders, trainers and insiders tell him plenty of "off the record" data.

 

[thehog]

Will Lance cry?

Armstrong will appear on Oprah next Tuesday.