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[frenchfry]

Too easy;, apparently. The fact that the case in question was about an alleged rape had nothing to do with why it was mentioned. It was the issue of being above the law (or not) on account of being a VIP.

A better analogy would be to, say, the allegations that Armstrong harassed and smeared Betsy Andreu. Did the fanboys blame the victim in that case?

Betsy married a pro cyclist, demonstrating a serious lack of judgement.

I don't hold that against her though.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

No way, and really a tasteless claim you put into fanboy's mouths here.
Haters know No limits, do they ?

But I can even imagine that some haters would go full *** and associate a VIP's rape-case with Lance and his "case".

Oh, wait.....
http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=520668&postcount=1666

bang, bang. Easy one.

I plead having spent too much time at Usenet on rbr. Are the Fanboys here of a higher caliber?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Why, yes, they would, as a matter of course.

(Pleased I didn't make the ranking)

-dB

Not only yes, but they actually have quite competent people to analyze the hard drives. And that's BOTH the FBI and the Electronic Crimes Task Force of the US Secret Service.

 

[L'Etranger]

I plead having spent too much time at Usenet on rbr. Are the Fanboys here of a higher caliber?

Judging by the force of the "bang bang" in Cobblestoned's effort, his calibre is .22 at most.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I imagine those cameras are going to examined by forensic scientists and computer forensic scientists very, very carefully. I also imagine at least two or three people would know whether those cameras were functional or not (almost certainly yes), and I can't see them passing the inspector Columbo test. The erasing of the footage or disposal and replacement of the cameras must have left some evidence behind as well. And with the incident having happened on a Saturday with plenty of staff and customers in the place, and with the contradictions and cracks that already appear to be opening, I suspect the feds have a very easy case of witness intimidation here (and now obstruction of justice as well). Add to all this the possible statute of limitations and RICO consequences, and I don't think they're going to let go of this one easily. I also imagine Lance must be busy trying to shut up a few people at the moment (more or less subtly), and it would make perfect sense for the feds to be right on top of this.

This is getting really interesting. As someone said a few posts back, pass the pop corn.

What wine goes best with pop corn?

 

[D-Queued]

...Cobblestoned 25 (posts)

Cobblestoned 0 contributions

Priceless.

Dave.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Betsy married a pro cyclist, demonstrating a serious lack of judgement.

I don't hold that against her though.

My ex considered Frankie mucho hot. Betsy can be forgiven even if my ex can not.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Judging by the force of the "bang bang" in Cobblestoned's effort, his calibre is .22 at most.

In Germany we say: "He still didn't hear the shot yet"
Even cal .22 can hurt you a lot if it hits your eye.

All those weak answers and efforts just confirm my accuracy.
Why hit flys with weapons of mass destruction when .22 is more than enough. That would be really unfair, waste of money and I am not like that, you know, dear "newbie".

 

[altark123]

I imagine those cameras are going to examined by forensic scientists and computer forensic scientists very, very carefully. I also imagine at least two or three people would know whether those cameras were functional or not (almost certainly yes), and I can't see them passing the inspector Columbo test. The erasing of the footage or disposal and replacement of the cameras must have left some evidence behind as well. And with the incident having happened on a Saturday with plenty of staff and customers in the place, and with the contradictions and cracks that already appear to be opening, I suspect the feds have a very easy case of witness intimidation here (and now obstruction of justice as well). Add to all this the possible statute of limitations and RICO consequences, and I don't think they're going to let go of this one easily. I also imagine Lance must be busy trying to shut up a few people at the moment (more or less subtly), and it would make perfect sense for the feds to be right on top of this.

This is getting really interesting. As someone said a few posts back, pass the pop corn.

Not a crime to erase the tapes unless they were contacted first or had reason to believe a crime was even committed. I think you are going a bit overboard here with your predictions. Following your conspiracy angle, even if the tapes "disappeared" or the cameras weren't on for whatever reason, nothing will come of that. If they choose for whatever reason to not have the camera on, or throw out tapes, well that is their choice. It is personal property. What judge is going to sign a warrant to repossess those tapes?

 

[Polish]

Too easy, apparently. The fact that the case in question was about an alleged rape had nothing to do with why it was mentioned. It was the issue of being above the law (or not) on account of being a VIP.

A better analogy would be to, say, the allegations that Armstrong harassed and smeared Betsy Andreu. Did the fanboys blame the victim in that case?

Lance harrassed and smeared Betsy = 100 times
Betsy harassed and smeared Lance = 10,000 times.

Its the truth, you know it is.
Do you want me to lie?

To tell the truth again, some of us fanboys are afraid of Betsy.
Intimidated.
Don't want to run into her at a bar yikes.

 

[Hugh Januss]

Judging by the force of the "bang bang" in Cobblestoned's effort, his calibre is .22 at most.

You're confused, that's his IQ.

 

[peacefultribe]

This was from the Huffington Post's comment section in response to the story about the FBI getting involved with the TH, LA issue.



The book and movie, Freakonomi*cs, includes a segment about historical cheating in a sport that is shrouded in tradition, mystery, ritual, and cultural assumption*s about its high-stake*s standards of fair play, honesty, and honor.

Economist Steven Levitt calculated the scores from thousands of matches and discovered an underlying pattern that showed stratified*, systemic cheating in the higher echelons of sumo wrestling in Japan, a system of cheating so deeply embedded that it had become an economy that the entire sport depended on... up and down the food chain of payoffs... even though the cheating took place at a very specific and high level of involvemen*t.

The revelation moved wrestlers to talk, and when they did, people mysterious*ly died under the oddest circumstan*ces. The public, media. police, and institutio*nal stakeholde*rs closed ranks around the sport and simply would not entertain the thought that their hallowed national past time was in fact riddled with corruption*.

The same kind of pushback we hear from Armstrong apologists about envious and angry athletes making stuff up was the core defense of sumo wrestling in Japan, but there finally came an event that grabbed and shook the public by the brainstem, when a young, wrestling acolyte in training was found gruesomely beaten to death.

It was at first quietly covered up by the police, press, and wrestling establishm*ent, all of whom arrived at natural cause as their explanatio*n, until one rogue cop couldn't stand it anymore, and he convinced the family to have an autopsy done.

The release of the gruesome photos and documentat*ion (as we've seen in recent political cases) finally cracked the veneer of honor wide open, and sumo wrestling now stands at a crossroads*, whether it's going to rehabilita*te itself or go the way of WWE in America, which was forced to exchange its F (for Federation*) for and E (for Entertainm*ent), and become a farcical show now clearly branded as light entertainm*ent.

 

[Francois the Postman]

So I take nothing much happened today, so the conversation is grinding to a halt we're back to insulting each other again?

That has been more than enough again, guys.

And Polish, drop the whole Betsy stuff. Some people are taking what you write there seriously. [insert that shocked facey thing] [or a smiley one, depending on your mileage].

 

[Hugh Januss]

Lance harrassed and smeared Betsy = 100 times
Betsy harassed and smeared Lance = Wouldn't lie for him.

Its the truth, you know it is.
Do you want me to lie?

To tell the truth again, some of us fanboys are afraid of Betsy.
Intimidated.
Don't want to run into her at a bar yikes.

Fixed that for you Polisher.
Major fail, your funniest post ever (the soup one up thread) shortly followed by your all time most ignorant.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

Not a crime to erase the tapes unless they were contacted first or had reason to believe a crime was even committed. I think you are going a bit overboard here with your predictions. Following your conspiracy angle, even if the tapes "disappeared" or the cameras weren't on for whatever reason, nothing will come of that. If they choose for whatever reason to not have the camera on, or throw out tapes, well that is their choice. It is personal property. What judge is going to sign a warrant to repossess those tapes?

There could be a sequence of events that would be difficult to explain.

1) Larner calls Lance to tell him that Tyler is in the restaurant.
2) Lance confronts Tyler.
3) Others including Larner hear Lance threaten to make Tyler's life a living hell.
4) Media reports begin about the witness intimidation begin to appear.
5) Larner deletes the video.
6) Larner at first says that there are cameras only in the kitchen.
7) Larner then says that the cameras in the dining area are broken.
8) Larner then has to explain why she deleted the video and lied about the cameras.

I do not think that anything will come from this, but the damage to Lance has been done. He looks like a moron. Worse he looks like a loose cannon. Those two attributes will cause potential allies, especially political ones, to keep their distance for fear that he will do something else stupid.

 

[Polish]

And Polish, drop the whole Betsy stuff. Some people are taking what you write there seriously. [insert that shocked facey thing] [or a smiley one, depending on your mileage].

Consider it dropped.
Thanks

 

[altark123]

There could be a sequence of events that would be difficult to explain.

1) Larner calls Lance to tell him that Tyler is in the restaurant.
2) Lance confronts Tyler.
3) Others including Larner hear Lance threaten to make Tyler's life a living hell.
4) Media reports begin about the witness intimidation begin to appear.
5) Larner deletes the video.
6) Larner at first says that there are cameras only in the kitchen.
7) Larner then says that the cameras in the dining area are broken.
8) Larner then has to explain why she deleted the video and lied about the cameras.

I do not think that anything will come from this, but the damage to Lance has been done. He looks like a moron. Worse he looks like a loose cannon. Those two attributes will cause potential allies, especially political ones, to keep their distance for fear that he will do something else stupid.

I agree that is much more likely.

 

[VeloCity]

Lance harrassed and smeared Betsy = 100 times
Betsy harassed and smeared Lance = 10,000 times.

Its the truth, you know it is.
Do you want me to lie?

To tell the truth again, some of us fanboys are afraid of Betsy.
Intimidated.
Don't want to run into her at a bar yikes.

When exactly did Betsy
"harrass and smear" Armstrong?

 

[Cimacoppi49]

When exactly did Betsy
"harrass and smear" Armstrong?

Truth is an absolute defense to a charge of smearing.

 

[thirteen]

When exactly did Betsy
"harrass and smear" Armstrong?

Francois requested the subject of Betsy dropped... he said it to Polish, but i think that goes for all of us. plus, it's not fair to ask a question he has already agreed not to talk about.

So I take nothing much happened today, so the conversation is grinding to a halt we're back to insulting each other again?

That has been more than enough again, guys.

And Polish, drop the whole Betsy stuff. Some people are taking what you write there seriously. [insert that shocked facey thing] [or a smiley one, depending on your mileage].

Consider it dropped.
Thanks

 

[theswordsman]

After reading the last page, I won't bother paging back. Apologies if these quotes have been posted already.

The video will not shed any light on the Saturday night incident because the restaurant's cameras, installed to discourage theft by staff, are focused on the kitchen, she added. There are cameras in the dining area, but they are not functional, she said.

http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...eo_to_review_tyler_hamiltonlance_armstro.html

I imagine the FBI will check out the camera for them free of charge.

Manderson said the two men hadn't spoken to one another in years, including recent weeks after Hamilton, an admitted drug-user, appeared on "60 Minutes." The Hamilton interview reasserted claims made a year earlier by Floyd Landis, another former teammate of Armstrong's who was later caught cheating.

Manderson declined to say whether Hamilton would appear before the grand jury again, but hopes federal authorities will interview some of the people in the bar who witnessed what occurred.

"I hope federal investigators interview the restaurant owner and those in Armstrong's entourage under penalty of perjury to force them to tell the truth about the incident," he said.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/fbi-wants-tape-of-lance-a_n_877365.html

 

[Polish]

1) Lance and Anna leave the kids with the babysitter
2) They stroll on foot down to Cache Cache, looking back now and then.
3) Arrive and enter the Bar to a rousing cheer "Lance" "Anna"
4) The OutsideMag investigative reporter that was tailing them makes his call.
5) Lance and Anna proceed to pound down brewskis, basking in the glow of accomplishing yet another successful fundraising bike ride earlier in the day.
6) They pound down a few more. Yes, RR, we know. Causes cancer.
7) The Hamilton Party arrives. Operation Promo begins.
8) After half a beer, Tyler needs to take a pee break.
9) Anna, on a pee break herself, is suprised when Tyler enters the women's bathroom WTF?
10) Tyler leaves the bathroom and gives Lance a traiterous manhug.
11) "wtf dude" says Lance. Truly uneventful discussion folows.
12) The cameras that were not working when the new owners bought the bar are still not working. Too bad.
13) The OutsideMag Party high five all around and prepare to dine and dash.
14) They chicken out and pay - but stiff the waitress. "Take that"
15) Lance and Anna return home and pay the slightly chubby but not sociopathic babysitter. Give her a big tip.
15) Early the next morning the OutsideMag crew show up to TP Lance's house. They forgot the TP, so instead leave a bunch of rude loud messages on the answering machine at Cache Cache
16) OutsideMag tweets.
17) Tyler calls his lawyer.
18) FBI/HomeLandSecurity/JusticeDept/FDA/Etc swing into action.
19) FTC begins to investigate illegal defamatory posts on the Cache Cache webite.

 

[zigmeister]

After reading the last page, I won't bother paging back. Apologies if these quotes have been posted already.



http://www.nydailynews.com/sports/i...eo_to_review_tyler_hamiltonlance_armstro.html

I imagine the FBI will check out the camera for them free of charge.



http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/06/15/fbi-wants-tape-of-lance-a_n_877365.html

OH joy! I am so glad the FBI might be using valuable resources/time/money to investigate this alleged "witness tampering" incident.

For the love of GOD, stop the insanity.


Anyway, side note. What exactly motivates Betsy to say/do what she does?

What is in this for her personally and her payoff?

 

[Hugh Januss]

OH joy! I am so glad the FBI might be using valuable resources/time/money to investigate this alleged "witness tampering" incident.

For the love of GOD, stop the insanity.


Anyway, side note. What exactly motivates Betsy to say/do what she does?

What is in this for her personally and her payoff?

Try all you want, your posts will never equal Polish's for stupidity.
Good effort though.

 

[Alpe d'Huez]

A whole tree of LA forums. One main forum for legal proceedings structure without details, one for legal-relevant details, one for all that riders and insider implicated him with, one for...

This is the CyclingNews website and forum, not the Lance Armstrong site/forum. Perhaps Lance could have his friends set-up their own slew of threads on the Livestrong or Radio Shack sites?!

Does anyone honestly think, knowing Lance's personality, that "nothing happened?" I think the only issue at this point is if the FBI wants to put enough resources into investigating the details, or how far they are going to pursue the matter in regards to how much evidence they need to pile on before the indictment.

What I'd like to see now is Floyd show up to eat at Cache Cache, as I don't think he'd walk away so quietly.