Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[mewmewmew13]

I am not upset that the Floyd "OUTSIDE" reference tweets were removed.
Just curious. Who told him to remove them?

Anyway. this is a Win/Win for both Outside Mag and Cache Cache.
Cache Cache will have a very busy month(s) with all the publicity.
And Outside Mag will sell plenty of copies.

The "Lance Effect" in action once again

I think of it more as "Lance Backwash"...like something that comes back up after you try to flush it

 

[Poursuivant]

If he is indicted for witness tampering, what does this mean for the statute of limitations? As a Brit I dont really understand how that works in the US, but I think I read that it will have a bearing on this case?

 

[thehog]

But knowing LA and his MO..don't you think there may actually be other incidents similar to this that have occurred?

??? From memory Armstrong hasn't been part of a Federal investigation before now. Yes he's pushed himself about but not at this level.

SCA was arbitration and although just as serious it was mearly a contract dispute. This is much much more serious. You can't do what Armstrong did and not expect repercussions. He'll have to explain his actions. As the previous poster said that protection of witnesses and their testimony is one of the core values of our judicial system.

It's my understanding Armstrong has already been sent a letter to explain his version of events. If he lies again he's completely f•cked.

The FBI pounced very quickly once the incident was reported. The FBI never act that quickly. Never. There on to something.

Armstrong was due in France next month. I doubt now he'll travel.

 

[sniper]

(snip)
Armstrong "greeted" Hamilton, not the other way around--Larner's own description. As I mentioned in a previous post, the mere fact of this guy's stopping you and talking to you would be intimidating. I'm no lawyer but this doesn't look good for LA. I think Venezuela has no extradition treaty with the US, if his bills run too high Lance could trade in his Austin mansion for a Venezuelan cattle ranch. Texas is in the midst of a record-breaking drought and we need the water more than Lance's mansion does.

that deserves more attention.
Armstrong, the awareness raiser

 

[python]

Post# 3719 ( 200 posts ago, way before the same was asked, washed and wasted by the anti- paragraphless derailleur )

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=568132&postcount=3719

so when do people think ms. larner, the co-owner of the restaurant, called armstrong ? did she know that armstrong was coming or was it a 'preemptive' friendly call ?

to remind, armstrong was out of town all day and the encounter happened around 10 in the evening.

nothing i have seen (thanx dr mas and the others for the sources) excludes the most likely eventuality -- larner called armstrong before he entered her eatery. thinking that a busy owner would count on spotting armstrong (and warn him) as he was entering her premises is very unlikely.

the events are starting to acquire a more definite shape:

- armstrong indicated he may be in the restaurant that night or have made the reservation (unlikely because he would not know exactly how the busy day from 1200 miles away will play out)
- larner called him when he was already in Aspen
-armstrong chose to ignore the warning and
(the key mistake he made)
-stopped hamilton to intimidate him.

 

[Polish]

Lance is a very very bad man

If he is indicted for witness tampering, what does this mean for the statute of limitations? As a Brit I dont really understand how that works in the US, but I think I read that it will have a bearing on this case?

I think it means thay can bring in witnessess from Lance's ENTIRE career.
From Simeoni to Babu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN29X2HCKpU

 

[Love the Scenery]

Thirteen,
I saw Streep's blog post but it contains no reference to Larner admitting she warned Armstrong of Hamilton's presence. I'm still wondering where Velonews got that information, specifically

Jodi Larner, a friend of Armstrong, later confirmed that she had informed the former pro that Hamilton was there having meal.

If anyone finds the source of this information, please post.

 

[spalco]

Post# 3719 ( 200 posts ago, way before the same was asked, washed and wasted by the anti- paragraphless derailleur )

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showpost.php?p=568132&postcount=3719



nothing i have seen (thanx dr mas and the others for the sources) excludes the most likely eventuality -- larner called armstrong before he entered her eatery. thinking that a busy owner would count on spotting armstrong (and warn him) as he was entering her premises is very unlikely.

the events are starting to acquire a more definite shape:

- armstrong indicated he may be in the restaurant that night or have made the reservation (unlikely because he would not know exactly how the busy day from 1200 miles away will play out)
- larner called him when he was already in Aspen
-armstrong chose to ignore the warning and
(the key mistake he made)
-stopped hamilton to intimidate him.

Realistically: What's the chance for a random meeting between Armstrong and Hamilton in a random restaurant? The USA is a pretty big country, with many restaurants, is it not? I think there's a bigger chance of me winning the TdF despite being an overweight 28-year-old who's never raced a bike than those two randomly meeting so shortly after the 60-minute interview...

 

[python]

was posted a dozen of times anti paragraphles derailleur, search the thread.

 

[python]

Realistically: What's the chance for a random meeting between Armstrong and Hamilton in a random restaurant? The USA is a pretty big country, with many restaurants, is it not? I think there's a bigger chance of me winning the TdF despite being an overweight 28-year-old who's never raced a bike than those two randomly meeting so shortly after the 60-minute interview...

you hit the nail on the head, instead of asking repetitive, same sameness questions...small chance. it was a pre-meditated encounter.

the only unknown is what exactly was said between the two.

if we are to take the word of the cnn legal analyst, it may not even matter, provided the intent, as i described it, was confirmed.

 

[mewmewmew13]

??? From memory Armstrong hasn't been part of a Federal investigation before now. Yes he's pushed himself about but not at this level.

SCA was arbitration and although just as serious it was mearly a contract dispute. This is much much more serious. You can't do what Armstrong did and not expect repercussions. He'll have to explain his actions. As the previous poster said that protection of witnesses and their testimony is one of the core values of our judicial system.

It's my understanding Armstrong has already been sent a letter to explain his version of events. If he lies again he's completely f•cked.

The FBI pounced very quickly once the incident was reported. The FBI never act that quickly. Never. There on to something.

Armstrong was due in France next month. I doubt now he'll travel.

w/r to my ruminating..I was just thinking that in the last few months, like talking to George or Levi, for example, he may have in effect tried to coerce more silence from those he was close to but have testified before the GJ. The only reason this charge is at hand is the CacheCache debacle was reported by Tyler and bungled by Jodi Larner...but there may have been attempts at witness tampering recently but more muted and low key. Just thinking out loud.

W/r to your new info and thoughts--that's exciting. Let 'er rip!

 

[Polish]

Armstrong was due in France next month. I doubt now he'll travel.

I agree.

Lance will not show up at the Tour de France this year.
Well, if he does shows up - he will not show up at the finish.
And if he DOES show up at the finish, I doubt he will be there next year.
I predict he will not show up at the Tour sometime in the next 10-20-30 years.

 

[Mrs John Murphy]

Armstrong was due in France next month. I doubt now he'll travel.

Maybe a Hog style 'flying visit' you know appear in the car when Popo etc is in a break, only to vanish if anyone comes knocking at the hotel door.

I half think that the passive-aggressive, taunting side of the Uniballer means that he will go to the TDF in a very obvious way to make a point.

 

[Poursuivant]

I think it means thay can bring in witnessess from Lance's ENTIRE career.
From Simeoni to Babu.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VN29X2HCKpU

So that is why it was called a "potential game-changer." Thanks.

Surely going off the latest article linked, which claims just Hamiltons word is needed, would indicate that LA is certain to be indicted with witness tampering. I suppose conviction is another thing. So does that just mean the Feds can call witnesses from any era or they can drop indictments from any era?

 

[Deagol]

Sherwin or Ligget used to be, I believe, the pr man for Motorola when Armstrong was there. The Roll connection is well known.

I'd appreciate Versus more if they were to bring back Kristen Gum. Those were the golden years. At least she would take your mind off of Roll's clowning and buffoonery.

Thanks. I wish this stuff was more known in the general media world.

 

[VeloCity]

Sherwin or Ligget used to be, I believe, the pr man for Motorola when Armstrong was there. The Roll connection is well known.

That was Sherwen - he was PR Director at Motorola.

I love this quote from an interview in '05:

"PEZ: Did you see evidence of EPO use in the peloton when you worked for Motorola?

Sherwen:That was in the 90's when EPO was really coming to the highest level, and I had just come into the Motorola team; it was dominated by American riders at the time. The riders kept coming to me saying, the Italians, they're so fast, the Italians are riding uphill and dropping me without even breathing! I couldn't believe that the difference was a pharmaceutical difference. I believed they weren't dedicated, that they weren't working hard enough and training hard enough, and I told them. I had raced alongside Greg LeMond and had seen what he could do - he wasn't the most hygienic eater in the world - he'd down a plate of Dunkin Donuts and wash it down with a bottle of Coke. I didn't think much of the American cyclist's work ethic when I came to Motorola. I found out later though that my analysis was completely wrong - they were working very hard, and the difference had nothing to do with hard work or dedication."

http://www.pezcyclingnews.com/?pg=fullstory&id=3609

So how was it then, Paul, that the American riders not only caught up with but surpassed those damn fast Italians, hmm?

 

[Bicicleta]

the only unknown is what exactly was said between the two.

Probably something along the line of "I'll crush you little prince"

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=2459

 

[Polish]

Realistically: What's the chance for a random meeting between Armstrong and Hamilton in a random restaurant? The USA is a pretty big country, with many restaurants, is it not? I think there's a bigger chance of me winning the TdF despite being an overweight 28-year-old who's never raced a bike than those two randomly meeting so shortly after the 60-minute interview...

It was not random.

Imagine if Lance showed up at the MarbleHead Red Lobster that also just happened to be a favorite eatery of Tyler.

NO one would think that was random.
"So Lance can't eat where Tyler likes to eat?"
"You mean Lance has to avoid a restaurant just because Tyler eats there all the time?"
"What, you can't do a LiveStrong Ride on Marblehead?"

It was not random.

I don't think the Feds were involved, or otherwise Tyler would have been wearing a wire. (Like Floyd was when the Feds were still on Mr Ball's trail earlier in the investigation.) Although maybe wearing a wire in this instance would be illegal? Entrapment?

It was not random.
Seems to me that Outside Mag was somehow involved with the meeting.
Has anyone explained why Tyler went to Lance's House the following morning?
Maybe the upcoming Outside Mag story will explain that weirdness?

And why has Floyd erased over 300 tweets since yesterday?
I worry about Floyd. I consider him a friend in a certain *** way.
But RealBeazed is still tweeting so I am not too worried.
Yip yip woof.

 

[python]

Probably something along the line of "I'll crush you little prince"

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/showthread.php?t=2459

a perfect parallel, bici

..except, cunego (my speculation) at the time of his confrontation with the despicable texas was just showing his inner character.

i doubt damiano at that time was realizing, like hamilton should have in the cash-cash joint, he was as protected by the laws of the most powerful democratic state in the world, the most legally minded nation in the world, the us of a.

 

[Hugh Januss]

It was not random.

Imagine if Lance showed up at the MarbleHead Red Lobster that also just happened to be a favorite eatery of Tyler.

NO one would think that was random.
"So Lance can't eat where Tyler likes to eat?"
"You mean Lance has to avoid a restaurant just because Tyler eats there all the time?"
"What, you can't do a LiveStrong Ride on Marblehead?"

Your analogy as usual is way off base. Try this out.

Lance goes to Marblehead for a charity ride, afterwards the organizers take him to dinner at Red Lobster. The manager in an effort to curry favor with home town boy Tyler calls him on the phone to say "you'll never believe who just had the gall to walk into your favorite restaurant". Tyler rushes in to confront Lance. Who is in the wrong here?

I would say Tyler. YMMV

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Maybe a Hog style 'flying visit' you know appear in the car when Popo etc is in a break, only to vanish if anyone comes knocking at the hotel door.

I half think that the passive-aggressive, taunting side of the Uniballer means that he will go to the TDF in a very obvious way to make a point.

A quick visit from the UCI safe house in Switzerland, perhaps?

 

[thehog]

How serious?
I was seriously hoping that such trivial events would not be of any relevance, and that other evidence gathered by the FBI would by itself be strong enough to convict armstrong.
The FBI have spent more than a year now gathering evidence around the globe. It would be disappointing if this event at cache cache would become the main point of reference in any indictment coming down.

Neither a main point nor would Armstrong be indicted on this point alone. But it’s a significant point and in the context of the entire investigation. It has changed the nature of the investigation.

A witness was physically accosted in a public place and then jeered, berated and told “not to speak” or they will be “ripped apart on the witness stand”.

If Armstrong felt that Hamilton wasn’t telling the truth on 60 Minutes then he should have addressed this through the legal system by means of a retraction. You don’t take the law into your own hands and start beating up on witnesses in a public place.

Key points is that Armstrong referenced “the witness” stand. i.e. he knew full well that he was intimidating “a witness” in an investigation. He cannot argue that he was angry with Hamilton and was telling him a such he was directly referencing an upcoming trial.

 

[Polish]

Your analogy as usual is way off base. Try this out.

Lance goes to Marblehead for a charity ride, afterwards the organizers take him to dinner at Red Lobster. The manager in an effort to curry favor with home town boy Tyler calls him on the phone to say "you'll never believe who just had the gall to walk into your favorite restaurant". Tyler rushes in to confront Lance. Who is in the wrong here?

I would say Tyler. YMMV

Your analogy needs a bit of tidying up too.
Lets say Lance knew going into the Red Lobster that a "chance" meeting with Tyler would be a windfall of nationwide publicity for his charity ride.

And Lance was a struggling bike tour leader who just recently received tons of publicity trashing Tyler on TV. Cool.
Lance's organizers need some publicity too btw. Thats their biz.
They knew if they "ran into " Tyler the cash register would ring ca-ching.
They tweet about the encounter afterwards.

And soon after the "chance meeting" introduced for sale and profit a product based on the encounter.
Not sure if Lance gets paid or not.

Like I said before, the meeting was not random.
Especially these stupid made up ones like yours and mine lol.

 

[Polish]

Neither a main point nor would Armstrong be indicted on this point alone. But it’s a significant point and in the context of the entire investigation. It has changed the nature of the investigation.

A witness was physically apprehended in a public place and then jeered, berated and told “not to speak” or they will be “ripped apart on the witness stand”.

If Armstrong felt that Hamilton wasn’t telling the truth on 60 Minutes then he should have addressed this through the legal system by means of a retraction. You don’t take the law into your own hands and start beating up on witnesses in a public place.

Key points is that Armstrong referenced “the witness” stand. i.e. he knew full well that he was intimidating “a witness” in an investigation. He cannot argue that he was angry with Hamilton and was telling him a such he was directly referencing an upcoming trial.

To the bolded part - you do not know that, no link of course.
You only know what Tyler's lawyer has said.

What Tyler himself says on the witness stand under cross examination is the important part.
Under oath. Believe.

We will see. we will see.

 

[Zweistein]

To the bolded part - you do not know that, no link of course.
You only know what Tyler's lawyer has said.

What Tyler himself says on the witness stand under cross examination is the important part.
Under oath. Believe.

We will see. we will see.

Lance has been incredibly credible up to this point and people keep coming out of the woodwork to proclaim his credibleness. You have a point.