Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[MacRoadie]

Yes, the Pan-Mass is a fantastic ride.
30 years of riding....
Hinault won the Tour for the first time back then.....
Maybe it even helped to inspire the Livestrong charity rides?

BTW, were you even aware of the Pan-Mass ride before this year?
Many people were not.

As a matter of fact, yes, I was. I know several people who have ridden it in the past, dating back almost a dozen years.

What's Lance's excuse?

While we're at it, and since you suggest it might be the inspiration for the Livestrong charity rides, why is there zero mention of it on the livestrong.org site? When you search the site, you get one hit: a one-sentance reference to it, buried halfway through a survivor interview. Thirty years and $270 million in funds raised for cancer victims, and not one official mention/refernce/link on livestrong.org?

 

[AngusW]

Thanks for posting that link, MacRoadie. I'd never heard of PMC until reading this thread.

Yes, the Pan-Mass is a fantastic ride.
30 years of riding....
Hinault won the Tour for the first time back then.....
Maybe it even helped to inspire the Livestrong charity rides?

BTW, were you even aware of the Pan-Mass ride before this year?
Many people were not.

BTW, Hinault won the Tour for the first time in 1978. From the article, it sounds like PMC started in 1980 or 1981.

 

[davestoller]

Of course he can't

Kerry is active in many cancer related causes but has not been associated with Livestrong for a few years. His old pal Bush also has distanced himself, not just because Wonderboy's public image is toxic but also because they don't want to hang out with the ******bag

I already posted two of the main ones.
It was widely covered in the northeast press this past weekend and the week leading up to it.
Wall to wall coverage.

It is a very popular event in Mass among cyclists and non cyclists.
So for that alone it would be terrific.
But the cause and its roots are very deep so thats all a very good thing.

Dont understand the hate here fellahs. John Kerry and his wife are cancer survivors, and they raise awareness and are very credible advocates. If they include LA, that is a political and a public awareness choice. I guess they, unlike raise your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing folks like David Letterman--who has done exactly what for any charity BTW-are stand up people.

I think they see the big picture.
They get it.
Unlike most of the folks here.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

I already posted two of the main ones.
It was widely covered in the northeast press this past weekend and the week leading up to it.
Wall to wall coverage.

It is a very popular event in Mass among cyclists and non cyclists.
So for that alone it would be terrific.
But the cause and its roots are very deep so thats all a very good thing.

Dont understand the hate here fellahs. John Kerry and his wife are cancer survivors, and they raise awareness and are very credible advocates. If they include LA, that is a political and a public awareness choice. I guess they, unlike raise your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing folks like David Letterman--who has done exactly what for any charity BTW-are stand up people.

I think they see the big picture.
They get it.
Unlike most of the folks here.

No hate here. Just don't like liars and their friends, Dave.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

As a matter of fact, yes, I was. I know several people who have ridden it in the past, dating back almost a dozen years.

What's Lance's excuse?

While we're at it, and since you suggest it might be the inspiration for the Livestrong charity rides, why is there zero mention of it on the livestrong.org site? When you search the site, you get one hit: a one-sentance reference to it, buried halfway through a survivor interview. Thirty years and $270 million in funds raised for cancer victims, and not one official mention/refernce/link on livestrong.org?

Because they are a competitor for donation dollars.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Yes, the Pan-Mass is a fantastic ride.
30 years of riding....
Hinault won the Tour for the first time back then.....
Maybe it even helped to inspire the Livestrong charity rides?

BTW, were you even aware of the Pan-Mass ride before this year?
Many people were not.

What inspired charity rides here was a guy named Lemond who was promoting MS rides long before Armstrong knew there was a world outside of Texas. In cycling, Hinault got press here only because he came over with Guimard to recruit Lemond.

 

[Velodude]

I already posted two of the main ones.
It was widely covered in the northeast press this past weekend and the week leading up to it.
Wall to wall coverage.

It is a very popular event in Mass among cyclists and non cyclists.
So for that alone it would be terrific.
But the cause and its roots are very deep so thats all a very good thing.

Dont understand the hate here fellahs. John Kerry and his wife are cancer survivors, and they raise awareness and are very credible advocates. If they include LA, that is a political and a public awareness choice. I guess they, unlike raise your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing folks like David Letterman--who has done exactly what for any charity BTW-are stand up people.

I think they see the big picture.
They get it.
Unlike most of the folks here.

Dave, you have changed your presentation style to that reminiscent of the doyen (doyenne?) of the cabal of LA opinion supporters, Polish.

A directive from up the chain?

 

[Dr. Maserati]

I already posted two of the main ones.
It was widely covered in the northeast press this past weekend and the week leading up to it.
Wall to wall coverage.

And as I pointed out one of your links didn't even mention Armstrong.

It is a very popular event in Mass among cyclists and non cyclists.
So for that alone it would be terrific.
But the cause and its roots are very deep so thats all a very good thing.

Dont understand the hate here fellahs. John Kerry and his wife are cancer survivors, and they raise awareness and are very credible advocates. If they include LA, that is a political and a public awareness choice. I guess they, unlike raise your finger in the air to see which way the wind is blowing folks like David Letterman--who has done exactly what for any charity BTW-are stand up people.

I think they see the big picture.
They get it.
Unlike most of the folks here.

Yes, the event is popular, that's the big picture - Armstrong adds nothing to it, so he has pretty much been ignored.

 

[MacRoadie]

Yes, the event is popular, that's the big picture - Armstrong adds nothing to it, so he has pretty much been ignored.

That's the thing. They've been getting it...for thirty years now. To the tune of $270 million dollars. Kerry's been getting it for the last half-dozen years. LeMond's been getting it since at least 2006, maybe earlier.

The problem is, Dave and Polish would have you believe that everyone is a babe in the woods until they have this fabulous epiphany...that Lance Armstrong needs to be part of their effort then everything will be right and they'll look back wondering how they ever made it without him. That once Lance shows up, their event becomes big-time, main stream.

It's insulting to anyone and everyone associated with these efforts. The people who, year in and year out, have worked diligently to raise these funds for such worthy causes. Not to mention the fact that Armstrong, and his foundation, don't give a whit about the Pan-Mass Challenge, or anything else that doesn't bear his name. Otherwise, why no mention at the .org site? Why not one prior visit by Armstrong (to ride or just a fly-by in the G5)?

I just wonder how they all managed without the "wall to wall" coverage it got with Armstrong attending. Oh yeah, it was because it got the same level of coverage last year and the year before. On its own merit.

Apparently, if we are to believe Dave, they get it..."it" just took them 30 years lost in the desert.

Lance as Moses.
Leading the lost.
True awesomeness.

Too bad Charlton Heston is dead. Sigh
Levi and Horner can fight over the Yul Brynner part...just need a bald guy that Lance hates...Argh.
Lance would play himself, but there's no way he could play second-fiddle when there's a part for God in it...

 

[Anonymous]

That's the thing. They've been getting it...for thirty years now. To the tune of $270 million dollars. Kerry's been getting it for the last half-dozen years. LeMond's been getting it since at least 2006, maybe earlier.

The problem is, Dave and Polish would have you believe that everyone is a babe in the woods until they have this fabulous epiphany...that Lance Armstrong needs to be part of their effort then everything will be right and they'll look back wondering how they ever made it without him. That once Lance shows up, their event becomes big-time, main stream.

It's insulting to anyone and everyone associated with these efforts. The people who, year in and year out, have worked diligently to raise these funds for such worthy causes. Not to mention the fact that Armstrong, and his foundation, don't give a whit about the Pan-Mass Challenge, or anything else that doesn't bear his name. Otherwise, why no mention at the .org site? Why not one prior visit by Armstrong (to ride or just a fly-by in the G5)?

I just wonder how they all managed without the "wall to wall" coverage it got with Armstrong attending. Oh yeah, it was because it got the same level of coverage last year and the year before. On its own merit.

Apparently, if we are to believe Dave, they get it..."it" just took them 30 years lost in the desert.

Lance as Moses.
Leading the lost.
True awesomeness.

Too bad Charlton Heston is dead. Sigh
Levi and Horner can fight over the Yul Brynner part...just need a bald guy that Lance hates...Argh.
Lance would play himself, but there's no way he could play second-fiddle when there's a part for God in it...

Post of the year.

 

[Polish]

While we're at it, and since you suggest it might be the inspiration for the Livestrong charity rides, why is there zero mention of it on the livestrong.org site? When you search the site, you get one hit: a one-sentance reference to it, buried halfway through a survivor interview. Thirty years and $270 million in funds raised for cancer victims, and not one official mention/refernce/link on livestrong.org?

How often does the Pan-Mass website mention Livestrong?

http://www.pmc.org/

C'mon, plenty of room for many different fund raising rides.
RAGBRAI, AIDS Ride, etcetcetc.

No reason for all the websites to refer to eachother.
Seems kind of silly really

 

[MacRoadie]

How often does the Pan-Mass website mention Livestrong?

From Livestrong.org:

We empower the cancer community to address the unmet needs of cancer survivors. To do so, we encourage collaboration, knowledge-sharing and partnership.

Our Approach

Somewhere on there I must have missed "but only if the other organization raising funds for cancer mentions us too".

Maybe there's a fee or something they forgot to pay...

 

[Oldman]

From Livestrong.org:



Our Approach

Somewhere on there I must have missed "but only if the other organization raising funds for cancer mentions cuts us a percentage/jet fuel too".

Maybe there's a fee or something they forgot to pay...

Filled in some copy for you.

 

[Polish]

From Livestrong.org:



Our Approach

Somewhere on there I must have missed "but only if the other organization raising funds for cancer mentions us too".

Maybe there's a fee or something they forgot to pay...

Did you notice that Pan-Mass is sponsored by the Boston Red Sox?
And that beer is served at Fenway Park?
Cancer causing beer?
And don't get me started on Roger Clemens, the Red Sox doper.

Someone needs to send them anonymous tweet demanding explanation

 

[MacRoadie]

Blah, blah, obfuscative rambling, blah...

No surprise there...

So why was Armstrong there? Getting tips from Clemens?

 

[thehog]

Nike applying the pressure: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_mma_sonnen_comes_clean_mailbag_080911

 

[JMBeaushrimp]

Nike applying the pressure: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_mma_sonnen_comes_clean_mailbag_080911

Since MacRodie's assumed Polish's style, I have to give him/her some kudos...

Lovely!

Now let"s get back to being Seussian...

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Nike applying the pressure: http://sports.yahoo.com/mma/news?slug=ki-iole_mma_sonnen_comes_clean_mailbag_080911

As Lance increasingly becomes the toxic joke of the new century, how long will Nike stand by their man? Cue to music........

 

[lilac harry quinn]

As Lance increasingly becomes the toxic joke of the new century, how long will Nike stand by their man? Cue to music........

Nike is already repositioning itself with these new slogans:

http://www.guardian.co.uk/sport/blog/2011/jun/30/marina-hyde-nike?INTCMP=SRCH

 

[Oldman]

Nike would support anyone that sells their products; I think we can all agree on that. Lance's credibility and sales decline will remove him from their dialogue altogether.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Nike would support anyone that sells their products; I think we can all agree on that. Lance's credibility and sales decline will remove him from their dialogue altogether.

Minor correction:
"Lance's sales declines will remove him from their dialogue altogether."

One thing we know about Nike, unless it hurts sales, bad news regarding any of their sponsored athletes is good PR.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Nike would support anyone that sells their products; I think we can all agree on that. Lance's credibility and sales decline will remove him from their dialogue altogether.

Only to the point where they have criminal liability for aiding one of their athletes doing criminal acts. I think Oakley is in a bit more difficult position than Nike, but Nike is potentially out there in the wind with Lance & Co.

 

[Polish]

Very very few athletes have had as long of a run with Nike as Lance has.
Mr Jordan maybe?
But all good things must come to an end.

That said, I would expect Nike to capitalize on the backlash publicity that will come with the indictments, and keep the sponsorship dollars flowing through the end of the successful and well publicized not guilty verdict at trial.

After that, who knows.
Lance may end up the "Most Sponsored Athlete" Nike ever had.
Would not suprise me.

 

[thehog]

Lance doesn't need Nike. He's now hob knobbing with the art world. He's too cultured to be hanging out with sweaty athletes.

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...d-17-million-helped-along-by-lance-armstrong/

 

[MacRoadie]

Lance doesn't need Nike. He's now hob knobbing with the art world. He's too cultured to be hanging out with sweaty athletes.

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...d-17-million-helped-along-by-lance-armstrong/

The benefit, chaired by collector, museum board member, and former Dallas Cowboys cheerleader Amy Phelan, was part wine tasting, part auction, part mountain vacation — and all party.

If that flirtatious piece, together with Will Cotton's painting of a busty Katy Perry and Damien Loeb's portrait of his model wife in the nude, didn't make the leitmotif of the impressive collection clear, dozens of spherical breasts floating in the indoor hot tub cleared it right up. (According to several frequent guests at the Phelan residence, the breasts are a permanent fixture, even when swimming.)

Sounds about right...