Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[Cimacoppi49]

Lance doesn't need Nike. He's now hob knobbing with the art world. He's too cultured to be hanging out with sweaty athletes.

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...d-17-million-helped-along-by-lance-armstrong/

Bernard Berenson is rolling in his grave.

 

[Oldman]

Very very few athletes have had as long of a run with Nike as Lance has.
Mr Jordan maybe?
But all good things must come to an end.

That said, I would expect Nike to capitalize on the backlash publicity that will come with the indictments, and keep the sponsorship dollars flowing through the end of the successful and well publicized not guilty verdict at trial.

After that, who knows.
Lance may end up the "Most Sponsored Athlete" Nike ever had.
Would not suprise me.

Mr Jordan, maybe? What planet are you from?

 

[Oldman]

Lance doesn't need Nike. He's now hob knobbing with the art world. He's too cultured to be hanging out with sweaty athletes.

http://www.artinfo.com/news/story/3...d-17-million-helped-along-by-lance-armstrong/

How does Lance fit in with the obvious undercurrent of Boobs in this party review?

 

[Spider1964]

Very very few athletes have had as long of a run with Nike as Lance has.
Mr Jordan maybe?
But all good things must come to an end.

That said, I would expect Nike to capitalize on the backlash publicity that will come with the indictments, and keep the sponsorship dollars flowing through the end of the successful and well publicized not guilty verdict at trial.

After that, who knows.
Lance may end up the "Most Sponsored Athlete" Nike ever had.
Would not suprise me.

You most certainly espouse some alternative views at times Poli, especially for an Ent, but occasionally you are good for a hearty chuckle.

As you were.

 

[Polish]

Mr Jordan, maybe? What planet are you from?

Don't be so hasty - it could happen some day.
Especially if you include charitable sponsorship dollars
Hroom, hm.

 

[Oldman]

Don't be so hasty - it could happen some day.
Especially if you include charitable sponsorship dollars
Hroom, hm.

Only if you count time and ignore basketball on planet Hroom. I'll check to see if the Yellow kiosk is still open at Niketown.

 

[DomesticDomestique]

Don't be so hasty - it could happen some day.
Especially if you include charitable sponsorship dollars
Hroom, hm.

Did Polish finally admit that money donated to a certain "charity" is actually the same as sponsoring Lance. I also don't think Polish disputes that Lance used sponsorship dollars on dope.

Translation from Polish: "Money donated to Livestrong is used to buy dope!"

 

[Velodude]

Did Polish finally admit that money donated to a certain "charity" is actually the same as sponsoring Lance. I also don't think Polish disputes that Lance used sponsorship dollars on dope.

Translation from Polish: "Money donated to Livestrong is used to buy dope!"

Haven't you noticed that Polish has gone to Fabiani's "Keep Lance out of jail" Plan B (or is it C?) after conceding the Founder doped.

Oh, this is a "Lance" thing.
I thought we were talking about doping in the 80's versus other times.
You know Velodude, I think you may have too much Lance on the brain

But now that you mention Lance, I think you may find it interesting that Lance's career spanned the EPO Era and the Post-EPO Era.

From 1999 to 2005....
Before EPO (1999-2001) and after EPO (2002-2005)
Won with EPO. Won without.
One Two Three Four Five Six Seven TdF's in a Row.

Guess what? EPO did not make a difference.
Did not miss a beat.
Won with EPO. Won without.
Can you even tell the difference?
Did the "game change"?
Nope and nope.

"Oh, but EPO changes a rider waawaa"
The facts and the data prove the opposite.
Lance is a great case study.One Two Three Four Five Six Seven.

 

[AngusW]

Don't be so hasty - it could happen some day.
Especially if you include charitable sponsorship dollars
Hroom, hm.

I don't agree with everything you say, but nice comeback. All that's missing is a Treebeard avatar.

 

[Benotti69]

Haven't you noticed that Polish has gone to Fabiani's "Keep Lance out of jail" Plan B (or is it C?) after conceding the Founder doped.

Poor polish is losing it day by day. He has had no argument for a long time so it is all babble about Armstrong, which only has a comedy affect. I am enjoying it.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

Poor polish is losing it day by day. He has had no argument for a long time so it is all babble about Armstrong, which only has a comedy affect. I am enjoying it.

It should be interesting and great fun with Polish when Armstrong is indicted or cuts a deal.

 

[Cobblestoned]

It should be interesting and great fun with Polish when Armstrong is indicted or cuts a deal.

IF that should happen, I doubt that you effectively would have more fun than Polish, me and others had over the last years full of wrong predictions and crushed hopes regularly performed by the haterz.

We still have the benefit of an awesome carreer with 7 (SEVEN) TdF wins in row anyway, while the haterz still have along way to go, to pfffffffffft and wahhhh out all the pressure caused by those 7 really hard years.
Still a long way to go for them to get out of the red karma zone.

Fanboys always in good mood and with disturbing good karma. Still benefiting.

 

[MacRoadie]

IF that should happen, I doubt that you effectively would have more fun than Polish, me and others had over the last years full of wrong predictions and crushed hopes regularly performed by the haterz.

We still have the benefit of an awesome carreer with 7 (SEVEN) TdF wins in row anyway, while the haterz still have along way to go, to pfffffffffft and wahhhh out all the pressure caused by those 7 really hard years.
Still a long way to go for them to get out of the red karma zone.

Fanboys always in good mood and with disturbing good karma. Still benefiting.

Yes, it's amazing how liberating amorality and apathy can be...

 

[veganrob]

IF that should happen, I doubt that you effectively would have more fun than Polish, me and others had over the last years full of wrong predictions and crushed hopes regularly performed by the haterz.

We still have the benefit of an awesome carreer with 7 (SEVEN) TdF wins in row anyway, while the haterz still have along way to go, to pfffffffffft and wahhhh out all the pressure caused by those 7 really hard years.
Still a long way to go for them to get out of the red karma zone.

Fanboys always in good mood and with disturbing good karma. Still benefiting.

I wouldn't call living vicariously through a scum like LA good karma, but whatever gets you through the night. ok

 

[Velodude]

IF that should happen, I doubt that you effectively would have more fun than Polish, me and others had over the last years full of wrong predictions and crushed hopes regularly performed by the haterz.

We still have the benefit of an awesome carreer with 7 (SEVEN) TdF wins in row anyway, while the haterz still have along way to go, to pfffffffffft and wahhhh out all the pressure caused by those 7 really hard years.
Still a long way to go for them to get out of the red karma zone.

Fanboys always in good mood and with disturbing good karma. Still benefiting.

Some of those wins falling within the UCI statute of limitations of 8 years can be stripped from the awesome one through legal proceedings throwing up evidence for a non analytical positive.

Marion Jones and Kyle Leogrande of Rock Racing both having passed all past doping tests were convicted and banned on evidence of non analytical positives.

Be prepared for the awesome one having only 4 TdF wins with asterisks next to his name in future TdF results.

 

[Cobblestoned]

Some of those wins falling within the UCI statute of limitations of 8 years can be stripped from the awesome one through legal proceedings throwing up evidence for a non analytical positive.

Marion Jones and Kyle Leogrande of Rock Racing both having passed all past doping tests were convicted and banned on evidence of non analytical positives.

Be prepared for the awesome one having only 4 TdF wins with asterisks next to his name in future TdF results.

We'll just add it to the list.
Polish is managing those lists with great passion.

 

[Velodude]

We'll just add it to the list.
Polish is managing those lists with great passion.

I consider the way that Polish is arguing lately he/she/it should get a manager and stop handling him/her/itself.

 

[DirtyWorks]

Some of those wins falling within the UCI statute of limitations of 8 years can be stripped from the awesome one through legal proceedings throwing up evidence for a non analytical positive.
...
Be prepared for the awesome one having only 4 TdF wins with asterisks next to his name in future TdF results.

The chances those wins get re-arranged is slim to none. The federation and ASO will just let them stand. If they re-write those, it challenges their legitimacy. When was the last time that happened in cycling?

History will smooth over the messy truth.

Still hoping for Federal felony convictions to stick to all of Tailwind's officers. Not just Wonderboy.

 

[Velodude]

The chances those wins get re-arranged is slim to none. The federation and ASO will just let them stand. If they re-write those, it challenges their legitimacy. When was the last time that happened in cycling?

History will smooth over the messy truth.

Still hoping for Federal felony convictions to stick to all of Tailwind's officers. Not just Wonderboy.

Precedents have happened in the Olympics in stripping gold medals.

Winning cyclists, eg., Riis & Zabel, were astute enough to admit their doping outside the UCI statute of limitations period to preserve their ill gotten yellow and green jerseys.

Cycling has been protected by conspiracies and corruption to suppress actual or potential positive results that would have damaged the brand.

An LA court of law conviction bringing about UCI anti doping rules non analytical positives would bring in a new dawn to the sport.

 

[Anonymous]

My kid is watching Phineas and Ferb, and the episode is called "Tour de Ferb" and they have Greg Lemond on there because everyone knows that Lance is a doping fraud and they want a real tour champion on their cartoon.

 

[StyrbjornSterki]

The chances those wins get re-arranged is slim to none. The federation and ASO will just let them stand. If they re-write those, it challenges their legitimacy....

When it comes to that, I think they can't not rewrite history.

Pharmstrong's chief defence is that he's the most drug-tested athlete in history. Who made him so? ASO and WADA. When time comes that everyone on the planet (excepting Polish) admits he was doped, ASO and WADA lose all credibility unless they a) correct the record or b) admit they don't know what they're doing.

I think option a) is the much more likely.

 

[Damiano Machiavelli]

It USADA now has a tendency to strip athletes of all results for large spans of time.

 

[Anonymous]

When it comes to that, I think they can't not rewrite history.

Pharmstrong's chief defence is that he's the most drug-tested athlete in history. Who made him so? ASO and WADA. When time comes that everyone on the planet (excepting Polish) admits he was doped, ASO and WADA lose all credibility unless they a) correct the record or b) admit they don't know what they're doing.

I think option a) is the much more likely.

You guys have it all wrong, Polish knows he doped, he just doesn't give a sh!t.

 

[ChrisE]

You guys have it all wrong, Polish knows he doped, he just doesn't give a sh!t.

Isn't that how it works? Heck, Berzin for example knows everybody dopes but only has a problem with LA doing it. He even has a pic of one of the most blatant dopers of the 90's as his avatar and username lol.

 

[sniper]

Isn't that how it works? Heck, Berzin for example knows everybody dopes but only has a problem with LA doing it. He even has a pic of one of the most blatant dopers of the 90's as his avatar and username lol.

It is true that many, including myself, have more problems with LA's dope history than with other racers' dope history, some obvious reasons being (a) the protection LA received from above; (b) the fact that he got caught but was never banned and (c) his intimidation tactics.
To me, point (a) is perhaps the most disturbing (which indeed overlaps with (b)), which is also why I'm dying to see Verbruggen take the fall perhaps even more so than LA.