Official Lance Armstrong Thread **READ POST #1 BEFORE POSTING**

[thehog]

2003 was the arrival Fuentes - everyone else's was ampling it at the same levels. In 04 Armstrong started writing letters to WADA complaining about the Spanish.

2004 Tour USPS smashed it beyond record levels. Landis & Hincapie were riding the peloton off their wheels.

Could be the explanation.

By 2003 there were so many self created myths about Armstrong's AWESOMENESS that some demonstrations of his vastly superior power and improved natural resilience over other mortals passed with comment but without query.

In the 2003 TdF Stage 12 TT he was beaten by Jan Ullrich by 1.36. His excuse. He was severely dehydrated and lost 5 kilograms (= 5 litres of fluids) of weight.

By calculation to LA's competition weight and adjustment for water content that was about an 11% loss of fluids.

According to Wikipedia on Dehydration:



In the 219 km Stage 8 (L'Alpe d'Huez, July 13) Armstrong rode 200 kms (according to teammate Landis' CN blog) with a rubbing back brake to only record a less than stellar third place.

Having a brake rub is like throwing out an anchor and is obvious to even a lowly club rider.

Summary from Sports Illustrated

 

[Boeing]

Are we headed toward a conclusion to this yet?

 

[Polish]

Post- indictment, look for them to rename the effect.

Research Scientists searching for ways to fight cancer do not give a crap about Lance Armstrong indictments. Get a grip please.

The idea of using heat to attack cancer was inspired by an awareness of Lance and his specific cancer. Inspiration and awareness.

You know, Louis Pasteur used heat to kill pathogens in food and liquids.
Pasteurization.
Maybe one hundred years from now school kids will be studying about the miracle curing properties of Lancerization

 

[Velodude]

Research Scientists searching for ways to fight cancer do not give a crap about Lance Armstrong indictments. Get a grip please.

The idea of using heat to attack cancer was inspired by an awareness of Lance and his specific cancer. Inspiration and awareness.

You know, Louis Pasteur used heat to kill pathogens in food and liquids.
Pasteurization.
Maybe one hundred years from now school kids will be studying about the miracle curing properties of Lancerization

There you go again. Misleading to credit your hero in his hours of need.

Its a hypothesis as to why there is a higher survival rate amongst testicular cancer victims (70%). LA's only contribution to the article is that he was exemplified as the highest profile testicular cancer victim who survived.

No adoption of special procedures peculiar to Lance. No inspiration. No awareness. No likelihood of coining a name to a procedure acknowledging Lance. More BS from Polish.

 

[MacRoadie]

... the miracle curing properties of Lancerization

Kinda like what they do to a boil on your ***?

 

[GreasyMonkey]

Kinda like what they do to a boil on your ***?

.... with the result of this and the (hopefully) inevitable trial being the same - a putrid rush of dead & dying organisms!

 

[Neworld]

Research Scientists searching for ways to fight cancer do not give a crap about Lance Armstrong indictments. Get a grip please.

The idea of using heat to attack cancer was inspired by an awareness of Lance and his specific cancer. Inspiration and awareness.

You know, Louis Pasteur used heat to kill pathogens in food and liquids.
Pasteurization.
Maybe one hundred years from now school kids will be studying about the miracle curing properties of Lancerization

Your previous 'revelation' is not the Lance-effect to kill cancer, it is called, at most, placebo or sham.

You are making a mockery of the thousands of scientists, and doctors, that earnestly attempt to treat cancer with proven methodologies. Shame on you.

NW

 

[spetsa]

Joe Papp, Please fill us in .....

A bit off topic but very relevant to the conversation.....

http://twitter.com/#!/joepabike/statuses/81905227778887680

Came across this tweet (?) from Joe Papp. If you are around Joe, please fill us in.

I am to the point, that I feel it is more important that everyone involved in this entire charade be exposed, even if it is at the expense of LA spilling his guts and serving only a good dose of public humiliation. The people involved in hijacking USA cycling and all agencies associated with it are no better than those that we complain about at the UCI. USAC may be more screwwed up than the UCI, all the way from membership director to the Belgium House and those that run the U-23 program. Crazy thing is the number of players that cross over into the whole Tailwind fiasco. Absolutely a joke.

Joe, what would you estimate the number of people to be, that were implicated through your invesatigation, that are still racing their bike? At all levels, not just pros.

 

[Cimacoppi49]

A bit off topic but very relevant to the conversation.....

http://twitter.com/#!/joepabike/statuses/81905227778887680

Came across this tweet (?) from Joe Papp. If you are around Joe, please fill us in.

I am to the point, that I feel it is more important that everyone involved in this entire charade be exposed, even if it is at the expense of LA spilling his guts and serving only a good dose of public humiliation. The people involved in hijacking USA cycling and all agencies associated with it are no better than those that we complain about at the UCI. USAC may be more screwwed up than the UCI, all the way from membership director to the Belgium House and those that run the U-23 program. Crazy thing is the number of players that cross over into the whole Tailwind fiasco. Absolutely a joke.

Joe, what would you estimate the number of people to be, that were implicated through your invesatigation, that are still racing their bike? At all levels, not just pros.

The people who hijacked USA Cycling are the same people who will likely be indicted along with Armstrong.

 

[Cal_Joe]

A bit off topic but very relevant to the conversation.....

http://twitter.com/#!/joepabike/statuses/81905227778887680

Came across this tweet (?) from Joe Papp. If you are around Joe, please fill us in.

I am to the point, that I feel it is more important that everyone involved in this entire charade be exposed, even if it is at the expense of LA spilling his guts and serving only a good dose of public humiliation. The people involved in hijacking USA cycling and all agencies associated with it are no better than those that we complain about at the UCI. USAC may be more screwwed up than the UCI, all the way from membership director to the Belgium House and those that run the U-23 program. Crazy thing is the number of players that cross over into the whole Tailwind fiasco. Absolutely a joke.

Joe, what would you estimate the number of people to be, that were implicated through your invesatigation, that are still racing their bike? At all levels, not just pros.

According to Mr. Papp (from his latest tweets) he appears to be busy today with some legal proceedings.

 

[DirtyWorks]

The people involved in hijacking USA cycling and all agencies associated with it are no better than those that we complain about at the UCI. USAC may be more screwwed up than the UCI, all the way from membership director to the Belgium House and those that run the U-23 program. Crazy thing is the number of players that cross over into the whole Tailwind fiasco. Absolutely a joke.

Someone is catching on.... The USAC membership doesn't care one bit. They don't want to fix the problem. They are happy funding Weisel's futile search for the next Wonderboy that's been ongoing for 10 years, maybe a little less. Whatever you do, don't go digging around the USACDF. It gets worse.

But, understand that USADA/WADA is generally speaking the good guy. It's the federations USOC, USAC, IOC, UCI keeping the doping going. SI's last story on Wonderboy mentions the USOC and how they manage doping. Few people picked up on the sweeping implications.

 

[Deagol]

..... SI's last story on Wonderboy mentions the USOC and how they manage doping. Few people picked up on the sweeping implications.

Can you elaborate ?

Thanks...

 

[mewmewmew13]

Let's see...the xterra is this weekend in HI.
Lance has got to keep busy and keep his mind off 'work'.

 

[fatandfast]

Someone is catching on.... The USAC membership doesn't care one bit. They don't want to fix the problem. They are happy funding Weisel's futile search for the next Wonderboy that's been ongoing for 10 years, maybe a little less. Whatever you do, don't go digging around the USACDF. It gets worse.

But, understand that USADA/WADA is generally speaking the good guy. It's the federations USOC, USAC, IOC, UCI keeping the doping going. SI's last story on Wonderboy mentions the USOC and how they manage doping. Few people picked up on the sweeping implications.

?? the membership. better check out the non profit structure of the federation.

 

[Velodude]

?? the membership. better check out the non profit structure of the federation.

F&F, do you suspect they have been dealing?

 

[fatandfast]

F&F, do you suspect they have been dealing?

for sure and for years. Papp is trying not to say it directly. The camps, team selections, politics are all part of it. I hope that after a near miss the federation corrections will be left to others

 

[BillytheKid]

Your previous 'revelation' is not the Lance-effect to kill cancer, it is called, at most, placebo or sham.

You are making a mockery of the thousands of scientists, and doctors, that earnestly attempt to treat cancer with proven methodologies. Shame on you.

NW

I agree: its obvious those who berate Livestrong have never have had its support when a family member has had cancer. They offered and delivered psychological support to my family that was outstanding.

I hope not to post in clinic anymore. Particularly because of the obsession of this thread (not far from 10,000 posts now). It's not that the worst of what is suspected of LA is not true, it is just not proven by conviction by a court of law. The focus in mass on LA outweighs the more important discussion of the non-athletes that fuel doping in sport. Who are they? Why do so few make headlines? A trifle of riders get caught. The fight seems to be moving forward, but I remain skeptical. Few I wonder anymore are likely clean in any sport.

True, there are other threads here that go outside the LA scope, but look at the number of volume of this thread.

LA broke a junior national record in the 40K when he was still in high school by 45 seconds on a less than ideal ITT bike. To that point the then USCF did not even know his existence. A kid and his mom. If proven in law as some accuse, then who, I wonder, took that kid and first offered up the sweets.

No one's talking about that. His once teammates and now accusers are mum. If I not wrong, they point to him as the the beginning of their fall. Farcical.

 

[Race Radio]

I agree: its obvious those who berate Livestrong have never have had its support when a family member has had cancer. They offered and delivered psychological support to my family that was outstanding.

I hope not to post in clinic anymore. Particularly because of the obsession of this thread (not far from 10,000 posts now). It's not that the worst of what is suspected of LA is not true, it is just not proven by conviction by a court of law. The focus in mass on LA outweighs the more important discussion of the non-athletes that fuel doping in sport. Who are they? Why do so few make headlines? A trifle of riders get caught. The fight seems to be moving forward, but I remain skeptical. Few I wonder anymore are likely clean in any sport.

True, there are other threads here that go outside the LA scope, but look at the number of volume of this thread.

LA broke a junior national record in the 40K when he was still in high school by 45 seconds on a less than ideal ITT bike. To that point the then USCF did not even know his existence. A kid and his mom. If proven in law as some accuse, then who, I wonder, took that kid and first offered up the sweets.

No one's talking about that. His once teammates and now accusers are mum. If I not wrong, they point to him as the the beginning of their fall. Farcical.

$400,000,000 for "psychological support"? that is a very expensive myth.

Do you have a link for this 40k national record he broke in High school, or did you just make that up?

 

[BillytheKid]

$400,000,000 for "psychological support"? that is a very expensive myth.

Do you have a link for this 40k national record he broke in High school, or did you just make that up?

It's in his first book. It was the pivotal event that took him out of Tri to Road racing. The course is not thirty minutes from where I sit now. Your being foolish. The record is on the books. It has since been broken, but considering the bike he rode, that's no surprise.

Prove me wrong. The Record Challenge Course holds 80-90% of the US records at 40 and 20K. I doubt there's a link directly to the record because it predates the net.

http://www.nmcycling.org/app/?action=RidePage&id=5

 

[Race Radio]

It's in his first book. It was the pivotal event that took him out of Tri to Road racing. The course is not thirty minutes from where I sit now. Your being foolish. The record is on the books. It has since been broken, but considering the bike he rode, that's no surprise.

Prove me wrong. The Record Challenge Course holds 80-90% of the US records at 40 and 20K. I doubt there's a link directly to the record because it predates the net.

http://www.nmcycling.org/app/?action=RidePage&id=5

I am bring foolish? You invent a claim and are unable to support it. You made it up. That is foolish.

 

[BillytheKid]

I am bring foolish? You invent a claim and are unable to support it. You made it up. That is foolish.

You call me liar. Hmmm. That makes you what?

http://books.google.com/books?id=of...&resnum=8&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

This guy must be a liar too. Check page 18.

Good luck with your fun and games Race. Check with the folks at USACycling.

It did happen.

Like I said, prove it wrong.

My original post today stands as is.

 

[Velodude]

It's in his first book. It was the pivotal event that took him out of Tri to Road racing. The course is not thirty minutes from where I sit now. Your being foolish. The record is on the books. It has since been broken, but considering the bike he rode, that's no surprise.

Prove me wrong. The Record Challenge Course holds 80-90% of the US records at 40 and 20K. I doubt there's a link directly to the record because it predates the net.

http://www.nmcycling.org/app/?action=RidePage&id=5

It is not about the bike, William

BTW, According to the referred book LA was earning $20,000 pa by 16 and his LBS assisted him in purchasing his first bike. Why would triathlete Lance's TT bike be inferior to other roadies' bikes competing in this TT as you claim?

 

[thehog]

You call me liar. Hmmm. That makes you what?

http://books.google.com/books?id=of...&resnum=8&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

This guy must be a liar too. Check page 18.

Good luck with your fun and games Race. Check with the folks at USACycling.

It did happen.

Like I said, prove it wrong.

My original post today stands as is.

New Mexico? Riiiiggghhtttt.... Lance wore a pink jacket from his Mom to keep warm? I like the story page 19... where Lance invited his Mom to the Prom with his date.... Legend. No s3x for Lance that night with mom hanging about.....

Are sure this book is real? Or just another "It's not about the bike" fairytale?


I mean please.

 

[Race Radio]

You call me liar. Hmmm. That makes you what?

http://books.google.com/books?id=of...&resnum=8&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

This guy must be a liar too. Check page 18.

Good luck with your fun and games Race. Check with the folks at USACycling.

It did happen.

Like I said, prove it wrong.

My original post today stands as is.

Yes, you are lying. You made it up. Armstrong did not set the junior national record in high school. Not for 40 km or for 20km. It is entertaining that you have so little knowledge of the sport that you don't even realize juniors ride 20km, not 40km.

You claim that Lance wrote about this national record breaking 40km ride in his book.....why don't you go grab your copy and read what it actually says?

Admit it, you are a troll. You invent things in order to bait people into responding to your silly babble For your next attempt you should claim that your friends cancer was cured by Armstrong's touch. He has magical powers, if anyone disagrees just ask them to prove it wrong.

 

[Dr. Maserati]

You call me liar. Hmmm. That makes you what?

http://books.google.com/books?id=of...&resnum=8&ved=0CEcQ6AEwBw#v=onepage&q&f=false

This guy must be a liar too. Check page 18.

Good luck with your fun and games Race. Check with the folks at USACycling.

It did happen.

Like I said, prove it wrong.

My original post today stands as is.

Page 18 eh.
How does a 12 mile TT in New Mexico become a 40k "junior national record"?