Paris-Nice 2017, 5th-12th March

[roundabout]

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Porte is still the main rival of contador. Henao isn't a good time trialist, he will loose 30 seconds there

Eh? Even if Henao loses 30 seconds he's still ahead of Porte and over half a minute ahead of Contador. Possibly more if he drops them both on the two murito-ish finishes.

Some think Henao is as bad as Purito in a TT just because he is an explosive climber. :lol:

Henao will top 10 that TT, I can tell you. Maybe top 5.

Henao is average TTst but what has he ever done to top 5 on a pretty flat course. One hill at the end won't negate that. 30 seconds to Porte is pretty plausible.

It's not a flat course with 'one hill at the end' they'll be climbing for over half of the TT in terms of time. And most of the rest of it is downhill.

You might want to have look at the profile again if you really think that climbing 3k at 7% is going to take approximately 13 minutes

http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/PNC/2017/400/PROFIL.png

 

[SKSemtex]

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Bardet DSQ.

what? that is a joke. We saw much worse without any penalty.

 

[Samamba]

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Final GC guess:

1. Gallopin
2. Zakarin
3. Henao
4. Porte
5. Martin
6. Alaphilippe
7. Bardet
8. Izagirre
9. Simon Yates
10. De la Cruz

Contador DNF

Where is the Gallopin for GC hype coming from?

 

[Dazed and Confused]

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Everyone on here lamenting Paris Nice parcours when announced and at the beginning of the race .Comparing them unfavourably to TA
Love these kind of races as so unpredictable ...much better than standard stage races

At the moment I would not discount any contender esp Contador

well, the wind did 99% of the damage today.

 

[DFA123]

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You might want to have look at the profile again if you really think that climbing 3k at 7% is going to take approximately 13 minutes

http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/PNC/2017/400/PROFIL.png

That's not the only climbing on the course. And the 5km before the final climb are downhill. So 3km at 7.7% is clearly the most important part of the TT.

 

[HelloDolly]

Yes and there wil be windt tomorrow and stage 6 looks interesting ....parcours to suit the weather even

 

[Red Rick]

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Bardet DSQ.

Really? In a French race?

Expecting the sun to rise in the west tomorrow

 

[Forever The Best]

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You might want to have look at the profile again if you really think that climbing 3k at 7% is going to take approximately 13 minutes

http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/PNC/2017/400/PROFIL.png

That's not the only climbing on the course. And the 5km before the final climb are downhill. So 3km at 7.7% is clearly the most important part of the TT.

Downhill is at only %2 so the TTers still have a big advantage.

 

[Escarabajo]

Did he have a flat or crash? Was he trying to get to the main group or to the front group?

Otherwise you cannot get help. Commissaries can only let you get away with so much!

 

[Billie]

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Did he have a flat or crash? Was he trying to get to the main group and not to the front group?

Otherwise you cannot get help. Commissaries can only let you get away with so much!

it was a crash in the gutter thus i agree that he should not have received assistance.

If he had a mechanical i'd have no problem with him getting a tow back.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Final GC guess:

1. Gallopin
2. Zakarin
3. Henao
4. Porte
5. Martin
6. Alaphilippe
7. Bardet
8. Izagirre
9. Simon Yates
10. De la Cruz

Contador DNF

Where is the Gallopin for GC hype coming from?

Just from this one poster.


Let's wait for confirmation of Bardet's DSQ, would be way way too harsh IMO.

 

[DFA123]

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You might want to have look at the profile again if you really think that climbing 3k at 7% is going to take approximately 13 minutes

http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/PNC/2017/400/PROFIL.png

That's not the only climbing on the course. And the 5km before the final climb are downhill. So 3km at 7.7% is clearly the most important part of the TT.

Downhill is at only %2 so the TTers still have a big advantage.

Agree that a rider like Dumoulin or Froome would have a big advantage. 60kg Porte though, not so much imo. Especially because there are three sharp turns and some winding sections amongst that. That swings the balance back towards the more explosive riders if anything. It'll be as much about accelerating as churning a huge gear.

 

[HelloDolly]

It wasn't ust Bardet got help....he managed to catch a chasing group going full gas all by himself and then have enough to attack in finale

 

[sQiD]

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Bardet DSQ.

what? that is a joke. We saw much worse without any penalty.

If confirmed, he deserve it. When he crashed he was way far behind the 2nd group, and just like that he entered it again. Everybody saw it, so the commaissaires. They have to be impartial. Just like Nibali at the Vuelta.

 

[LaFlorecita]

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Let's wait for confirmation of Bardet's DSQ, would be way way too harsh IMO.

Confirmed now. Hmm...

 

[Red Rick]

Expect the TT to be ridden on TT bikes within 19 minutes or so

 

[Forever The Best]

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You might want to have look at the profile again if you really think that climbing 3k at 7% is going to take approximately 13 minutes

http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/PNC/2017/400/PROFIL.png

That's not the only climbing on the course. And the 5km before the final climb are downhill. So 3km at 7.7% is clearly the most important part of the TT.

Downhill is at only %2 so the TTers still have a big advantage.

Agree that a rider like Dumoulin or Froome would have a big advantage. 60kg Porte though, not so much imo. Especially because there are three sharp turns and some winding sections amongst that. That swings the balance back towards the more explosive riders if anything. It'll be as much about accelerating as churning a huge gear.

Thanks for the info about the course. It doesn't look that bad for Henao since there are some technical parts. Porte will probably gain some time but not too much.

 

[Põhja Konn]

Time penalty would have been enough of a punishment for Bardet, DQ is way over the top. Specially considering how those towing/drafting incidents have so often been completely overlooked.

 

[DingoGuesdon]

French showing that they don't pull punches even with their own. They went after the all-star team of Festina and don't hesitate to DSQ their main GC rider for doing something which has been done times and times again by other leaders,if not much worse (Nibali).
Congrats.

 

[WheelofGear]

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Final GC guess:

1. Gallopin
2. Zakarin
3. Henao
4. Porte
5. Martin
6. Alaphilippe
7. Bardet
8. Izagirre
9. Simon Yates
10. De la Cruz

Contador DNF

Where is the Gallopin for GC hype coming from?

8th in 2016.
6th in 2015.

Potential to be a GC rider in shorter stage races.

 

[HelloDolly]

Gallopin has being targetign Paris Nice this year ...so I guess he thinks he can win it

 

[DingoGuesdon]

Would be good also if they started to DSQ the gruppetto in GC when the riders don't make any effort to be within delays. If Cavendish had been DSQed everytime he was towed in TdF in a mountain stages, he would not have gotten many green jerseys.

 

[DFA123]

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You might want to have look at the profile again if you really think that climbing 3k at 7% is going to take approximately 13 minutes

http://www.letour.fr/PHOTOS/PNC/2017/400/PROFIL.png

That's not the only climbing on the course. And the 5km before the final climb are downhill. So 3km at 7.7% is clearly the most important part of the TT.

Downhill is at only %2 so the TTers still have a big advantage.

Agree that a rider like Dumoulin or Froome would have a big advantage. 60kg Porte though, not so much imo. Especially because there are three sharp turns and some winding sections amongst that. That swings the balance back towards the more explosive riders if anything. It'll be as much about accelerating as churning a huge gear.

Thanks for the info about the course. It doesn't look that bad for Henao since there are some technical parts. Porte will probably gain some time but not too much.

Yeah, I would guess Porte should gain around 10-15 seconds. It's always difficult to say though on these short courses, especially which are up and down most of the way with one more sustained climb. I think they're slightly more favourable to explosive riders than genuine TTists because there's such a big anaerobic component to them. Alaphilippe could do pretty well I guess for similar reasons.

 

[DingoGuesdon]

Bardet was not alone being towed.SK also got help. Was he DSQ?

 

[Breh]

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Would be good also if they started to DSQ the gruppetto in GC when the riders don't make any effort to be within delays. If Cavendish had been DSQed everytime he was towed in TdF in a mountain stages, he would not have gotten many green jerseys.

Well, he doesn't have many green jerseys.